Water on Moon ? ... never

[MHz]

I don't think so, though I'm really not sure what you're asking, you seem to be conflating mass and volume.

You mentioned mass gains some mass (weight) as it warms up. Heat has no mass so where does the extra weight come from. Does it lose that weight as it cools off?

I'm saying energy and mass are equivalent.

Mass that is motionless has no energy. Motion is the energy part.

A hot gaseous body like a star exists in a state of balance between gravity trying to shrink it down and radiation pressure trying to expand it. When it runs out of fuel and the radiation pressure drops it'll certainly implode, and depending on its mass it'll do something like shrink down to a white dwarf or rebound into a nova or supernova.

No, there'll be no effect at all.

I'll add some more to this

The sun's too small to explode. According to current understanding it'll go through a red giant phase as the nuclear processes at its core use up the hydrogen and it shifts to fusing other things, when that's all done it'll shrink down a white dwarf and gradually cool into a cinder.

Pick a bigger star then. My point is the sun is rotating like all bodies in our solar system, that makes the poles the weak pint so implosion cannot take place as that would need forces to be equal and they aren't in any body that is spinning

It's the best explanation we have so far, a lot of people way smarter than I am have worked it out and convinced a lot of other people way smarter than I am, so yes I do think it's worth taking seriously.

So your shortcomings are proof some others have it right?? Right down to matter coming from nothing?? I'm smart enough to see a false conclusion and that is one of the bigger ones but nobody cares. The Megaliths are another blank for modern science but they still have all the right answers. It needs a review from square one and people deserve a huge refund when they get lies and pay lots of money for the truth'

That like saying 10 wrong people make a correct conclusion when all they are really doing is saying whatever they need to so they hold onto their job.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

There are so many misunderstandings of basic science in that post I've no idea how to respond. It'd take more time than I'm prepared to spend on a message board to straighten them all out. You need to go back to basics, every point you made there is wrong.

 

[MHz]

Was that the same reason you wouldn't answer the Mars chute question?

You mentioned mass gains some mass (weight) as it warms up. Heat has no mass so where does the extra weight come from. Does it lose that weight as it cools off?

 

[MHz]

How about something with a practical aspect to it rather than the universe in theory.

Neanderthal are dead and gone. If the last ice-age was long and the ocean level was 400ft lower and food was plentiful could the bigger nose have been useful in getting more O2 to the brain so they were using more than the % we use today. Would that 'climate change' be useful.


When dinos were around the earth as about 75% the size it is today yet it had the same amount of air. That would have helped flying reptiles as well as allowing very large animals that walked.

 

[darkbeaver]

And the explanation of GRAVITY is ??????????????????????

 

[darkbeaver]

The eager Beaver is right. There are now 6 potential states of matter and temperature doesn't change its state.

Scientists reported in April 2016 they had created a bizarre state of matter, one that had been predicted to exist but never seen in real life. Though this type of matter could be held in one's hand as if it were a solid, a zoom-in on the material would reveal the disorderly interactions of its electrons, more characteristic of a liquid. In the new matter, called a Kitaev quantum spin liquid, the electrons enter into a sort of quantum dance in which they interact or "talk" to one another. Usually when matter cools down the spin of its electrons tends to line up. But in this quantum spin liquid, the electrons interact so that they affect how the others are spinning and never align no matter how cool the material gets. The material would behave as if its electrons, considered indivisible, had broken apart, the researchers reported April 4, 2016, in the journal Nature Materials.

Very exciting stuff Petros. There,s also the fourth state of water, EZ water dicovered by G Pollack out of . Sinister clings to the comfortable familiar past like a broken down old man.

It,s difficult to witness an old fellow struggling with new ideas.

Pollack Laboratory | EZ Water | University of Washington

 

[petros]

Very interesting discovery, but I don't see that it supports any of the Beave's claims. That's clearly a quantum effect, and the electric cosmos model he favours denies quantum theory, basically doesn't accept any physics later than the 19th century.

You can't have EM without the E.

It was just a few years ago people seeing lights and bizarre electrical discharges prior to earhquakes were considered nut jobs.

Today it's leading to cutting edge earthquake detection.

If you are willing to take the leap into the belief of dark matter, what makes electric energy an less plausible? Maybe, just maybe they are one in the same?

Electricity having mass? Nuts right?

 

[darkbeaver]

I look forward to it. You'll have to delve into General Relativity, adding heat also adds very tiny amounts of mass, as per Einstein's mass-energy equivalence relation, to make any kind of connection, but it requires Big Bang type conditions to make any detectable difference. In the real observable world today there's no detectable connection. Heating up all the planets to the temperature of the sun would not alter their orbital parameters, unless of course the process blew them up so their mass got scattered around, but that's a different situation entirely. Since you don't believe in either GRT or the Big Bang, you're pretty much hooped. No scientist worthy of the name would say something "requires no explanation" though. Science is in the business of finding explanations, and a claim like that certainly requires one.

I note the heavily capitalized words "Big Bang" reverentialy employed I suspect as if that could or should add gravity to the discussion. You religious scientist are a strange lot of creation purveyors. IT came from the great void beyond the walls of the Universe.,hahahahah booga booga

 

[darkbeaver]

Very interesting discovery, but I don't see that it supports any of the Beave's claims. That's clearly a quantum effect, and the electric cosmos model he favours denies quantum theory, basically doesn't accept any physics later than the 19th century.

The electric universe theory does not deny quantum theory but rather it has an alternative explanation.

 

[MHz]

I note the heavily capitalized words "Big Bang" reverentialy employed I suspect as if that could or should add gravity to the discussion. You religious scientist are a strange lot of creation purveyors. IT came from the great void beyond the walls of the Universe.,hahahahah booga booga

Ever wonder why we never meet any new matter even though we are supposed to be expanding in all directions at the same time?

 

[darkbeaver]

Ever wonder why we never meet any new matter even though we are supposed to be expanding in all directions at the same time?

Matter and energy are convertable each into the other and are in a constant eternal transformative relationship. I am not expanding. I am shrinking. The earth is however expanding, them comic rays are stuffing themselves into the core, hence the present volcanic activity. There is nothing for the universe to expand into. There is no place for nothing in this one universe.

Babies,for instance, are just recycled matter shocked into life by the sparks created by parental familiarising friction resulting in start up. Nothing is wasted in the natural world every bit of it is in play at all times. No new matter just new configurations of the same old.

 

[MHz]

Galaxies and stars are all unique in makeup, yet the universe is from a pattern that cannot be anything but what the past has created.
Pushed to the limit it was created as a sand-box fot the child of two 'Gods', the two that Adam and Eve were modeled after. Mankind will end up doing the same once they are perfected and are given in marriage so they also have a child and created a 'sand-box' for them that is joined to the perfected being once they are also perfected. Each one uses matter that is not used in any other 'sand-box'. That is the matrix we are part of, the universe is as big as one cell from our whole body when compared to the 'big picture'

 

[darkbeaver]

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Upside Down Thinking

Posted on November 23, 2018 by Louis Hissink
Mark Gober’s book describing the scientifically verified idea, that consciousness is not an epiphenomenon of the human brain, is controversial; and scientifically well founded. It is opposed by the various official skeptics and atheistic humanists who are also physical materialists, brainwashed with the Newtonian gravity billiard ball universe model with black holes, dark matter, neutron stars and other ideas generated in their ivory towers in The Matrix. The skeptics are best described by Fred Hoyle and paraphrasing him, as those who think with too few ideas; if they think in the first place. The skeptics argument is easily refuted.
Consider a simple atom model that is best explained by a large sports stadium at the centre of which is a ping-pong ball, the atomic nucleus. The electron shells are outside the stadium, so the intervening space between the first electron shell and the nucleus is huge. What is this space made from? In the skeptical camp, nothing. In the Electric Universe camp, aether, an interpretation not to please the official skeptics. But is that space real or imagined. If imagined, then it has to be due to the operation of consciousness.
QED. "insert smile"