Washington Furious over Martin's Comments

[Alberta'sfinest]

RE: Washington Furious ov

Ocean Breeze, thanks for the kind words. I mainly meant smartest when it came to imigration policy and economic controls. We have an excellent system in place since the 90s, and we are a model for economic recovery around the world.
I think people here are way to quick to judge everything. Without asessing the situation from an overall look, and having a comprehensive understanding of economics and sociology, you can't even begin to make an arguement. One of the biggest problems for me in life, is that I can't even explain my thoughts because most people lack the knowledge necessary to understand them. I've met many polititions, and half the battle for them is that they have to do what's necessary, but the majority of people lack the ability to understand why something is necessary, and if it may have a negative effect, they kill the messenger. People are always saying how they're tired of lies, but everytime a politition speaks the truth that we don't want to here, we vote them out and our country suffers. I'm one of those rare people who can look at something flawed, and see how it could be an object of perfection.
When I was 17, I bought a 81' camaro. It was silver and rust, holes right through the body, but it was only $400. I stripped it down, patched the holes, did the body work, and layed down a hugger orange paint job, with white classic race stripes. It went from worn out and dingy, to shiny and beautiful. Once I'm in politics, I hope to do the same. Strip down the system, asess the damage, patch the holes, smooth out the body, and lay down a flawless paint job to protect it all. Something that all Canadians could sit back and have pride in being a part of.

 

[Paranoid Dot Calm]

This flap about U.S. comments does more harm to the NDP then to Martin and Harper.

The U.S. is terrified of a socialist party gaining "control" in a minority parliament and with an increase of seats. It scares them just as bad as Chavez in Venezeala does. They interfered in the Chavez election quite heavily and financed the opposition.

The NDP are really taking the hits in the media today. CBC and TVO had the Green Party on (ridiculed them) and kept suggesting that both the NDP and Green Party were the same. (They never suggest that with Martin and Harper.)

The NDP must be doing really well for the knives to be out this early in the campaign.

Calm

 

[Grover Knight]

Funny how our lame duck of a PM talks all big and tough on the election trail, but did shit all for the west during his time in office. The soft wood crises and the Mad Cow crises were allowed to run months and months into critical levels. The PM did little more than make a few lame attempts to help the industry. Now he speaks all high and mighty to the USA, what a loser. Bush doesnt need to invade us, he owns most of our industry anyway, why do you think the price of gasoline at the pump is cheaper there than here? Our crude is refined in the USA, they take what they want, and sell us the rest. June 05, Phoenix Arizona, Oil was marked at $0.88 cents CDN per ltr. Kelowna BC, $1.27 CDN per ltr. There is no need for an invasion. Martin is a donkey lover, the USA is our biggest trade partner and they are very capable of putting heavier tariffs on our exports. Yet Paul Martin hasnt placed a single tariff on anything coming North. Why hasn't he? Cause he is chicken scat when it comes to a the big brother to the south. We are talking about two years of unjust trade tariffs on soft wood, and he did nothing. He just runs his mouth and takes credit for everything that is going on. Here is somthing else, to do with the economy. His $60 Billion dollar E.I. surplus gouge, (that comes in handy when he needs quick spending before elections). This coupled with G.S.T. and other huge surpluses, has to (by law) be dumped against the debt, no wonder the deficit came down while he was finance minister, huge medival style taxation. Further more, he takes credit for the low unemployment. Hmmmmmmm, I wonder if Alberta, with its all time high of $72.00/barrell on oil,(during the summer, now in mid $50's) and 1000's upon 1000's of people moving to Alberta for its oil patch had anything to do with that. A provincial government of Conservatives, Federally controlled by Conservatives. Paul Martin can kiss the west's ass!!!! Martin can keep his big macho talk going, lets piss off the USA for no apparent reason. We are dealing with a Canadian election, lets keep to the topics, lets keep our eyes on the ball. Western Canada isn't going to fall for his bull shit, we have been filled to the eye balls with that already. The west takes care of the west, cause the east could give a rat ass, we have found this out.

 

[peapod]

This guys does more to damage the conservative party, than anything we could do. You can almost feel sorry for them, not much tho. I thought the party was trying to muzzle the nutbars

 

[Grover Knight]

Conservative Party is full of good, clean, hard working individuals. PeaPod would rather listen to his Ipod, and collect food stamps from the local Salvation Army. That or in the name of good a good NDP, collect welfare and smoke weed. Typical hard working individuals are taxed to death, to feed a huge base of social programs for the lazy. EI is paid out to a huge riff of people, that could work, hell, I have never seen so many help wanted signs in my life!! Yet people lining up for welfare. A conservative government would clean up the riff, and you people are afraid of it. It is a sure as the sun is going to rise tommorow. Calling Conservatives bigots and the like undaunts us, it empowers us.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Re: RE: Washington Furious over Martin's Comments

Conservative Party is full of good, clean, hard working individuals. PeaPod would rather listen to his Ipod, and collect food stamps from the local Salvation Army. That or in the name of good a good NDP, collect welfare and smoke weed. Typical hard working individuals are taxed to death, to feed a huge base of social programs for the lazy. EI is paid out to a huge riff of people, that could work, hell, I have never seen so many help wanted signs in my life!! Yet people lining up for welfare. A conservative government would clean up the riff, and you people are afraid of it. It is a sure as the sun is going to rise tommorow. Calling Conservatives bigots and the like undaunts us, it empowers us.

calling conservatives bigots EMPOWERS you??? as in empowers you to be bigger and better bigots?????? :roll:

 

[Colpy]

Mean while, that idiot Martin is slamming our American allies over greenhouse gasses. When they do a better job of containing them than Canada does.

I agree completely with Jack Layton : "Mr. Martin would say anything to get re-elected."

As David Frum pointed out, this is the same Martin who talks polite diplomatic mumbo-jumbo when Canadian citizen Sampson was tortured in Saudi Arabia, likewise when a Canadian journalist was raped, tortured, and murdered in Iran.

Why do you suppose that is? Could it be that there might be some retaliation from Iran or Saudi Arabia, while our friends and brothers-in-arms in the USA take our abuse with but a grimace?

Not only is Martin scum, he is a cowardly, terrorist-supporting jackass.

Ask me about the LTTE (the Tamil Tigers), who the Liberals have refused to ban despite terrorist acts in Sri Lanka that have cost tens of thousands of lives, and criminal extortion in Canadian fund raising efforts to support these murderers.

There are slightly over 100,000 Tamils in the Toronto area. Surprized?

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Not only is Martin scum, he is a cowardly, terrorist-supporting jackass.

gee, does that mean you don't like him or will not vote for him???? :wink: :wink:

 

[Colpy]

Not only is Martin scum, he is a cowardly, terrorist-supporting jackass.

gee, does that mean you don't like him or will not vote for him???? :wink: :wink:

I'm still thinking about it.....put me down as undecided. :lol:

 

[Reverend Blair]

Okay, first of all, if anybody ever sees Grover get his head out of his ass, let me know so I can kick him in that ass a few times. I won't kick him in the head though...I don't want to get shit on my shoes.

Not only is Martin scum, he is a cowardly, terrorist-supporting jackass.

What kind of mindless f*cking zombie are you Colpy? I don't like Martin either, but I'm not saying he supports terrorists...at least intentionally. I do have some questions about his relationship with George Bush, but then he also talks to Tony Blair. upon careful consideration, I think you must be a terrorist, Colpy.

 

[Alberta'sfinest]

RE: Washington Furious ov

What planet do you live on. We signed a little thing called NAFTA, which makes it illegal to put tariffs on American goods, and vice versa. The liberals actually did do all of the diplomatic steps necessary in the mad cow situation, and the US had legitimate reasons at that time to halt the import of our beef, even if they did milk it. Later when they developed more cases of mad cow than us, then they changed their tune. The softwood lumber dispute was also handled perfectly correct. It's a slow ass legal system, and if you've ever sued someone, you'd know what I mean. How long does a divorce take? Since Nafta ruled in our favour, the US is supposed to pay all of the tariffs they collected back, which means Mr.Martin did his job. The diplomatic thing is to give them time, as beaurocratic messes take a lot of time to clean up. If they don't respond, they will be in default of the trade agreement, and at this point we will be able to impose tariffs on energy exports. This is how it works, and it's in place for reasons you obviousely don't understand?
Colpy, how many tons of green house emissions does Canada produce, and how many does the US produce? Back it up, but I know you can't. The US produces around 2 billion in green house gases, while Canada produces only 750 million tons. I'm pretty sure that this is industrial production, not including personal emmision production. In reality, the US produces 4 times as much as us, and that's a low estimate. If you'd bothered to give the common courtesy to read my other post, you'd see that most of our industry would produce less and meet Kyoto if the average US citizen quit buying so much useless crap. Eventually the crippling of the US economy will make goods more and more expensive, and as this happens, we'll produce less and less as demand falls. We don't have to do anything, the natural decline in demand as prices rise on commodities will do this. What part don't you understand.
We pay more for gasoline because we have more taxes on ours to pay for the roadways that are trashed by our climate, although it doesn't all go to this. And our crude isn't refined in the USA, I can see a refinery from my house, and use to work down the road from it. The US can't put heavy tariffs on anything, and it would make their cost of living go up by doing so, we signed NAFTA to keep trade wars from happening, and with the US' need for our resources, they won't be messing with us any time soon.
If you guys are going to trash talk the PM, make sure you have a clue first, and not just spit out a bunch of propaganda you saw on CNN, or other crappy news source. It was so easy to disprove your arguements I almost nodded off.

 

[Paranoid Dot Calm]

What? Nobody seems to agree with me? .... That this trip of bad-mouthing Martin was just an attempt to have NDP supporters go Liberal.

The comments by Bush were because he fears a socialist party holding the balance of power in a minority government.

Layton has already stated his views on how to solve the softwood lumber trip, and that is the last thing that Bush needs or wants Layton to demand if the NDP hold the balance of power in a minority government. Plus, the shut down of private health care.

The Americans are terrified of every socialist party/country on the planet.

Martin even wore a leather jacket to look like a real serious "meanie" when commenting for TV viewers. It's all a complete setup. Martin was tryin' to look like a Hells Angels Biker.

If you wanna get even with George Bush .... Vote NDP.

Bush's comments would never encourage Harper voters to switch to Martin ....but for certain, NDP voters may switch to Martin and that is why the comments were made.

And forget this Koyto stuff .... it is just a sham. Nova Scotia just re-opened a coal mine. Huge demands for coal around the globe.

China and India will be burning more coal then Canada ever dreamed of burning.

Koyto is just a feeble attempt to have the voters vote Liberal even though they gotta carry their inhalers and oxegen masks to the voters booth as they cast their ballots.

Calm

 

[Colpy]

Okay, first of all, if anybody ever sees Grover get his head out of his ass, let me know so I can kick him in that ass a few times. I won't kick him in the head though...I don't want to get shit on my shoes.

Not only is Martin scum, he is a cowardly, terrorist-supporting jackass.

What kind of mindless f*cking zombie are you Colpy? I don't like Martin either, but I'm not saying he supports terrorists...at least intentionally. I do have some questions about his relationship with George Bush, but then he also talks to Tony Blair. upon careful consideration, I think you must be a terrorist, Colpy.

Did you read the post?

Have you ever heard of the Tamil Tigers (LTTE)?

Martin has attended fund-raising dinners for them, along with MPs of all other stripes. The difference being all the others ran from them once they were informed by the RCMP that, not only were they among the worst terrorist groups on earth, but they used criminal extortion to raise money in Canada.

Canada is the only western nation that refuses to ban them, therefore Canada has become their centre for raising funds.

That is DIRECTLY Martin's fault.

That makes him a supporter of terrorism.

All because the Tamils are a significant portion of the voting population in a couple of Toronto ridings.

Not only is Martin scum, he is a cowardly, terrorist-supporting jackass.

 

[Paranoid Dot Calm]

Hi! Colpy

No difference between supporting the Tamils then it is supporting the Jews.

Calm

 

[Colpy]

Hi! Colpy

No difference between supporting the Tamils then it is supporting the Jews.

Calm

Gee, if I didn't know better, I'd think you were trying to piss me off. :lol:

Seriously, I think the comparison is ludicrous. But we could argue about Israel vs Palestine for ever and ever.

One point that brooks no argument; the "Jews" have not been raising money in Canada through violence and extortion.

 

[no1important]

What? Nobody seems to agree with me? ....

Calm

I agree 100% with what you saud. I was just having a snooze and unable to respond.

An NDP majority would really send BUsh bonkers. But a miniority with NDP holding the balance is what hopefully happens, and if "W" don't like it, tough.

 

[Colpy]

What? Nobody seems to agree with me? ....

Calm

I agree 100% with what you saud. I was just having a snooze and unable to respond.

An NDP majority would really send BUsh bonkers. But a miniority with NDP holding the balance is what hopefully happens, and if "W" don't like it, tough.

Yep, that's what we need. A party with 15% support running the country. Gee you guys do love democracy, don't you?

 

[Alberta'sfinest]

RE: Washington Furious ov

I agree with you also paranoid, it was most likely a cheap shot to get votes, but it's still what I want to see from our prime minister. Technically, Martin has been doing his job the best he could since he started. He didn't change my mind though, and I'm still going to vote NDP based on their platform. I realize that Martin will likely still be our PM after the election and Jack Layton won't be anymore than officiall opposition. This is why either way, even if it is for the election, it still shows that he's capable of criticizing the US as long as there is pressure on him to do so. In a minority government their will be constant pressure on him to give in and do his job.

 

[mrmom2]

Martins still a wimp though I mean c'mon just look at him he looks like he's about to have a nervous break down :lol: :lol: Give Harper credit hes an mean evil looking bastard and Layton looks like a washed up old pornstar

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Martins still a wimp though I mean c'mon just look at him he looks like he's about to have a nervous break down :lol: :lol: Give Harper credit hes an mean evil looking bastard and Layton looks like a washed up old pornstar

ah........gee momsey......... you paint a very sad picture of our politicians..............ya know....the blokes who are fighting (including cat-fighting)for a chance to ruin OUR country.. :wink: