Was Henry Vlll's first wife anorexic? Catherine of Aragon's secret problem

[Blackleaf]

sorry dear, Smart Stork just doesn't do it for me.

I thought it wouldn't. Feminists never like to be told that, sometimes, it's a woman who's to blame.

The fact of the matter is that it's the conditions inside the woman's reproductive tract which determine which of the sperm wins the race to the egg. A woman is responsible for the gender of the child.

 

[Sal]

I thought it wouldn't. Feminists never like to be told that, sometimes, it's a woman who's to blame.

The fact of the matter is that it's the conditions inside the woman's reproductive tract which determine which of the sperm wins the race to the egg. A woman is responsible for the gender of the child.

IF that were true dear which it is not, although it has been an unproven theory, it would be extremely easy to successfully direct the sex of a child and it is almost impossible at this point

it is impossible because it is sperm determined and a race for the egg

here's a quote from a fertility specialist:

Carson agrees. "I think sperm sorting is probably the most viable method that we have right now, but it's probably most effective when it's used in combination with in vitro fertilization."

science hon, hang onto it, it's rational and has no place for emotion or ego...*shrug*

 

[Blackleaf]

IF that were true dear which it is not,

It is.

although it has been an unproven theory, it would be extremely easy to successfully direct the sex of a child and it is almost impossible at this point

it is impossible because it is sperm determined and a race for the egg

here's a quote from a fertility specialist:

science hon, hang onto it, it's rational and has no place for emotion or ego...*shrug*

Maternal influences also impact which sperm are more likely to achieve conception. Human ova, like those of other mammals, are covered with a thick translucent layer called the zona pellucida, which the sperm must penetrate to fertilize the egg. Once viewed simply as an impediment to fertilization, recent research indicates the zona pellucida may instead function as a sophisticated biological security system that chemically controls the entry of the sperm into the egg and protects the fertilized egg from additional sperm.


Maternal influence on sex determination - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


So the female egg itself determines which of the sperm cells it lets in.

 

[Sal]

It is.


Maternal influences also impact which sperm are more likely to achieve conception. Human ova, like those of other mammals, are covered with a thick translucent layer called the zona pellucida, which the sperm must penetrate to fertilize the egg. Once viewed simply as an impediment to fertilization, recent research indicates the zona pellucida may instead function as a sophisticated biological security system that chemically controls the entry of the sperm into the egg and protects the fertilized egg from additional sperm.


Maternal influence on sex determination - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


So the female egg itself determines which of the sperm cells it lets in.

well according to your quote it is a combo...so *shrug* you just destroyed your own argument BUT back to mine, the best way to produce a male child is through male sperm...thus it falls to the male

none the less, for me it's not about male/female "blame" so regardless...I win...:lol:

 

[captain morgan]

well according to your quote it is a combo...so *shrug* you just destroyed your own argument BUT back to mine, the best way to produce a male child is through male sperm...thus it falls to the male

none the less, for me it's not about male/female "blame" so regardless...I win...:lol:

Canadian kids learn this most basic fact in 9th or 10th grade.... Says a lot that Blackie, in his advanced years, still has yet to grasp this simple concept

 

[taxslave]

I thought it wouldn't. Feminists never like to be told that, sometimes, it's a woman who's to blame.

The fact of the matter is that it's the conditions inside the woman's reproductive tract which determine which of the sperm wins the race to the egg. A woman is responsible for the gender of the child.

FUK are you stupid. I hope you are not a typical example of british education.

 

[Sal]

Canadian kids learn this most basic fact in 9th or 10th grade.... Says a lot that Blackie, in his advanced years, still has yet to grasp this simple concept

the bugger about science and medical info is it keeps shifting what was correct today maybe incorrect tomorrow and then correct again the day after...

can you imagine the money to be made in successfully succeeding in gender choice?

 

[captain morgan]

the bugger about science and medical info is it keeps shifting what was correct today maybe incorrect tomorrow and then correct again the day after...

No doubt. That said, there are physical differences between the male and female sperm that is undeniable... Perhaps science has room to understand those differences, but the outcome of such (male or female) are proven in a solid fashion

can you imagine the money to be made in successfully succeeding in gender choice?

Sadly, I can

 

[Blackleaf]

well according to your quote it is a combo...

And according to you it was all caused by the man.

so *shrug* you just destroyed your own argument

No, I didn't.

BUT back to mine, the best way to produce a male child is through male sperm...thus it falls to the male

And it's the female egg which determines which sperm to let in.

Canadian kids learn this most basic fact in 9th or 10th grade....

It says a lot about the state of the Canadian education system then that it ignores the fact that the conditions inside the reproductive tract, and the fact that the egg controls which sperm it allows in, determines which gender the baby will become.

That's probably why I knew that and you didn't.

Sperm dictates the sex of the fertilized egg. However, a lot of mutual factors contribute to gender, including as the egg's receptivity to the male's chromosomes. So if a couple has five girls, that doesn't necessarily mean it's the man's fault. You can blame a man for keeping his eyes glued to the TV during a conversation, but you can't pin this one on him. Both partners have some role in determining the sex of the offspring.

As many people know (or have heard), the sperm that carry male chromosomes (which will make a boy) can swim faster because they carry less genetic material and are lighter. So though male and female sperm have equal muscular power in their flippers, the lighter ones will travel faster (just like a smaller cyclist will go faster than a larger one, if all other things are equal, because there's less mass to move).

But even if the male sperm outrace the female sperm, the male sperm will die off if the egg isn't in proper position for fertilization, leaving the female sperm clear for landing. Although male sperm are faster, female sperm are like tortoises; they keep pushing ahead slowly, hanging out, and waiting a few days. To have a boy, having sex around ovulation is critical, or the female sperm will win.

Aside from timing it right (and praying), you can do little to influence gender during conception. Some couples may try copulating upside down or in other acrobatic positions because they've heard rumors that you can influence the gender of a child, but the process is more complex than that.

What determines the sex of a baby? - Fetal Development Basics & Pregnancy - Sharecare

 

[captain morgan]

It says a lot about the state of the Canadian education system then that it ignores the fact that the conditions inside the reproductive tract, and the fact that the egg controls which sperm it allows in, determines which gender the baby will become.

You can't even see the ridiculousness of your own words.

Like Sal said, you destroyed your own argument

 

[Blackleaf]

You can't even see the ridiculousness of your own words.

Like Sal said, you destroyed your own argument

No, I didn't. I was surrounded by a braying mob who thought they were being clever by telling me that a man - not a woman in any way - is solely responsible for the gender of a child. I proved you wrong. Now stop trying to wriggle out of it.

 

[captain morgan]

You proved that you are not informed on the subject matter... End of story

 

[Blackleaf]

You proved that you are not informed on the subject matter... End of story

I proved that a woman is responsible for the gender of a child when know-it-alls thought it was a man who was entirely responsible. THAT'S the end of the story.

 

[captain morgan]

Sadly, I must report to you that you 'proved' no such thing

 

[DaSleeper]

Sadly, I must report to you that you 'proved' no such thing

A narrow mind sees only what he wants to see.............

 

[Sal]

No doubt. That said, there are physical differences between the male and female sperm that is undeniable... Perhaps science has room to understand those differences, but the outcome of such (male or female) are proven in a solid fashion

absolutely

and this thread turned stranger than strange

 

[Blackleaf]

Sadly, I must report to you that you 'proved' no such thing

I just have. A bunch of numpties came on here acting as though it was entirely the great Henry VIII's fault that each of his children were a certain gender.

"Does anyone care?

Especially since it was the inbred Henry's fault there was no male heirs."

I said "No, it's the woman that determines the gender of a baby."

You then all posted, at approximatelly the exact same time, details of why it is the man, and the man only, that is responsible for the gender of the baby and that it has nothing to do with the woman (you were trying to be clever and catch me out).

I then, straight away, with no hesitation, provided the details which proved you wrong, which showed that it is the woman who is reponsible for the gender of the child.

It's not my fault you are defeated but won't admit it.

 

[Sal]

 

[coldstream]

Henry actually had several male (and female) offspring .. all out of wedlock and therefor illegitimate and ineligible for the Crown. These include..

Henry Fitzroy (15 June 1519 – 23 July 1536), the son of his mistress Bessie Blount, and gave him a dukedom.





Others suspected of being his include:

• Catherine Carey, daughter of his mistress Mary Boleyn, the sister of his second wife, Anne Boleyn, and wife of William Carey. Ancestress of Diana, Princess of Wales (Princess Diana).
• Henry Carey (4 March 1526 – 23 July 1596), brother of Catherine
• John Perrot (November 1528 – 3 November 1592), his mother being Mary Berkeley the wife of Sir Thomas Perrot
• Thomas Stucley (c. 1520 – 4 August 1571), his mother being Jane Pollard the wife of Sir Hugh Stukeley
• Richard Edwardes (1523? - 1566), born to Mrs. Agnes Edwardes
• Ethelreda Malte (born c. 1527), born to Joan Dingley, alias Dobson. Paternity was claimed by John Malte

 

[Sal]

Henry actually had several male offspring.. all out of wedlock and therefor illegitimate and ineligible for the crown.

yes that part must have made him crazy