War With Iran
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Not if EBY and the unelected hereditary chiefs that are not in a position to reap money from the line and have no legal authority have their way.
A good start. Keep the momentum going.Visegrád 24
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·Jun 13
BREAKING: Explosions reported in the area of Iran's Fordow Fuel Facility. It’s the most protected uranium enrichment nuclear facility in Iran.
Which they? How many guesses do I get? Hours before Israel’s attack, the International Atomic Energy Agency censured Iran for the first time in two decades for failing to comply with its non-proliferation obligations.
In response, Iran proclaimed it had constructed and planned to operate a third nuclear enrichment facility.
Is they the International Atomic Energy Agency? Is they Iran? Is they Jewynyahoo? The Americans? British? Iranian expats?Botswanians? Martians? The UN? Canadians?
“Iran’s nuclear program has long been a cause of grave concern, and its missile attacks across Israel threaten regional peace,” Carney said on X after taking several hours to come up with Canada’s position. That kinda they?
Iran says its nuclear program is for peaceful purposes only, and U.S. intelligence agencies have assessed that Tehran was not actively pursuing the bomb. But its uranium enrichment has reached near weapons-grade levels (?), and on Thursday, the UN’s atomic watchdog censured Iran for not complying with obligations meant to prevent it from developing a nuclear weapon. This they?
An Iranian general, Esmail Kosari, said on Saturday that Tehran was reviewing whether to close the Strait of Hormuz controlling access to the Gulf for tankers. That they?
Explainer: How Iran's network of Middle East power faded — Reuters
At previous moments of tension over decades of rivalry with Western foes, Iran was able to project power across the Middle East using a network of close allies that meant any strikes against it threatened to trigger a formidable response.
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Which they? How many guesses do I get? Hours before Israel’s attack, the International Atomic Energy Agency censured Iran for the first time in two decades for failing to comply with its non-proliferation obligations.
In response, Iran proclaimed it had constructed and planned to operate a third nuclear enrichment facility.
Is they the International Atomic Energy Agency? Is they Iran? Is they Jewynyahoo? The Americans? British? Iranian expats?Botswanians? Martians? The UN? Canadians?
“Iran’s nuclear program has long been a cause of grave concern, and its missile attacks across Israel threaten regional peace,” Carney said on X after taking several hours to come up with Canada’s position. That kinda they?
Iran says its nuclear program is for peaceful purposes only, and U.S. intelligence agencies have assessed that Tehran was not actively pursuing the bomb. But its uranium enrichment has reached near weapons-grade levels (?), and on Thursday, the UN’s atomic watchdog censured Iran for not complying with obligations meant to prevent it from developing a nuclear weapon. This they?
An Iranian general, Esmail Kosari, said on Saturday that Tehran was reviewing whether to close the Strait of Hormuz controlling access to the Gulf for tankers. That they?
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Explainer: How Iran's network of Middle East power faded — Reuters
At previous moments of tension over decades of rivalry with Western foes, Iran was able to project power across the Middle East using a network of close allies that meant any strikes against it threatened to trigger a formidable response.apple.news
Iran–Saudi Arabia proxy conflict - Wikipedia
Iran has supplied weapons to the Shia Houthi movement in Yemen known as "Ansar Allah". Houthis control of Al Hudaydah's port and Sanaa solved the Quds Force's logistics for delivering weapons into Yemen.
By 2012, the IRGC's Weapons Transfer Unit (Unit 190), under the leadership of Brigadier Generals Behnam Shahariyari and Sayyed Jabar Hosseini, began seeking methods to smuggle weapons into Yemen. The IRGC set up an "air bridge," initially operating two flights per day. Later, an Iranian fleet began transporting military supplies to the Hudaydah Port.
Houthi–Saudi Arabian conflict - Wikipedia
It's hard for diplomacy to take place when one of the parties refuse to negotiate but hey, apparently that's not an issue at all. After all, ANYTHING that happens is all on Israel anyway, right?
"We knew just about everything," he said. "We knew enough that we gave Iran 60 days to make a deal and today is 61, right? So, you know, we knew everything.”
Israel said it had targeted Iran's nuclear facilities, ballistic missile factories and military commanders at the start of what it warned would be a prolonged operation to prevent Tehran from building an atomic weapon.
Trump said the U.S. still has nuclear talks planned with Iran on Sunday (squeezing it in between the birthday parade & maybe some golfing in Kananaskis) but he was unsure they would take place. U.S. special envoy Steve Witkoff was scheduled to meet an Iranian delegation in Oman.
"They're not dead," Trump said of the U.S.-Iran talks. Israel claimed to operate almost freely in the skies over Iran during a third day of airstrikes Sunday and killed more high-ranking security figures, while some Iranian missiles slipped through Israel’s air defenses. Both sides threatened to launch more attacks.
In an indication of how far Israel was prepared to go amid fears of all-out war, a U.S. official told The Associated Press that President Donald Trump in recent days vetoed an Israeli plan to kill Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.
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Israel said it had targeted Iran's nuclear facilities, ballistic missile factories and military commanders at the start of what it warned would be a prolonged operation to prevent Tehran from building an atomic weapon.
Trump said the U.S. still has nuclear talks planned with Iran on Sunday (squeezing it in between the birthday parade & maybe some golfing in Kananaskis) but he was unsure they would take place. U.S. special envoy Steve Witkoff was scheduled to meet an Iranian delegation in Oman.
"They're not dead," Trump said of the U.S.-Iran talks. Israel claimed to operate almost freely in the skies over Iran during a third day of airstrikes Sunday and killed more high-ranking security figures, while some Iranian missiles slipped through Israel’s air defenses. Both sides threatened to launch more attacks.
In an indication of how far Israel was prepared to go amid fears of all-out war, a U.S. official told The Associated Press that President Donald Trump in recent days vetoed an Israeli plan to kill Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.
Iranian missiles hit Tel Aviv and Haifa, Israel warns of tough response — Reuters
Iranian missiles struck Israel's Tel Aviv and the port city of Haifa before dawn on Monday, killing at least eight people and destroying homes, prompting Israel's defence minister to warn that Tehran residents would "pay the price and soon".
A Battered Iran Signals It Wants to De-Escalate Hostilities With Israel and Negotiate — The Wall Street Journal
Messages passed by Tehran through intermediaries seek a return to talks if the U.S. stays out of the fight
This guy? If he’s really one of the Putins?
Since Hamas’ Oct. 7, 2023 attack on Israel, Netanyahu has said the country has worked in a “systematic, measured and organized” way to dismantle Iran’s regional proxy network. It began with the decimation of Hamas, Tehran’s proxy, and continued with the dramatic pager attack and assassinations targeting Iran-backed Hezbollah in Lebanon.
But the apparent precision and swiftness with which Israel managed to kill the very top of Iran’s military chain of command on Friday has left many in Tehran stunned, particularly as it came less than a year after a Hamas leader — Ismail Haniyeh — was assassinated by Israel while he was being hosted by the Iranian government in one of its own guesthouses in the capital.
The US president predicted Israel would not let up in its bombing campaign and suggested a decisive moment in that campaign was imminent, though he made clear he expected Israel to destroy Iran’s nuclear facilities without US help.
“You’re going to find out over the next two days … Nobody’s slowed up so far,” he told CBS News, after abruptly abandonning a G7 summit in the Canadian Rockies, saying he was returning to the White House to deal with the conflict.
Speaking to reporters on the way back to Washington, Trump said he was seeking “an end, a real end, not a ceasefire”.
That would involve a “complete give-up” by Iran, he said. Trump’s negotiating position before the Israeli attack was that Iran should stop uranium enrichment entirely, and he blamed Tehran for not accepting that proposal.
Trump also stressed that any Iranian attack on Americans or US bases, which Iran has threatened, would be met with overwhelming force, saying: “We’ll come down so hard, it’d be gloves off.”
Iran’s foreign minister, Abbas Araghchi, said Iran was open to resuming talks with the US about its nuclear programme. “If President Trump is genuine about diplomacy and interested in stopping this
Donald Trump not seeking ceasefire but wants ‘a real end’ to Iran’s nuclear programme — Guardian US
US president suggests decisive moment is imminent in Israel’s bombing campaign
Trump, in a series of social-media posts on Tuesday afternoon (not 3am bathroom tariff tweets), said the U.S. knows where Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is hiding. “He is an easy target, but is safe there—We are not going to take him out (kill!), at least not for now,” Trump wrote on Truth Social, adding, “Our patience is wearing thin.”
“UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER!” he wrote in a separate post.
Trump also said Tehran had lost control of Iran’s airspace. “We now have complete and total control of the skies over Iran,” Trump wrote. “Iran had good sky trackers and other defensive equipment, and plenty of it, but it doesn’t compare to American made, conceived, and manufactured ‘stuff.’ Nobody does it better than the good ol’ USA.” (Bigly!!)
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(In his posts, Trump used the word “we,” but it wasn’t immediately clear if that meant that the U.S. is taking a more active role in Israel’s unfolding attacks on Iran. The U.S. has said it hasn’t joined Israel’s strikes)
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“UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER!” he wrote in a separate post.
Trump also said Tehran had lost control of Iran’s airspace. “We now have complete and total control of the skies over Iran,” Trump wrote. “Iran had good sky trackers and other defensive equipment, and plenty of it, but it doesn’t compare to American made, conceived, and manufactured ‘stuff.’ Nobody does it better than the good ol’ USA.” (Bigly!!)
Trump Calls for Unconditional Surrender as He Loses Patience With Iran — The Wall Street Journal
The president said he wouldn’t target the country’s supreme leader “for now”
China has mustered its diplomatic resources, including issuing a condemnation of Israel’s latest strikes through the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO), of which Iran is a member. This prompted a rebuke from India, an SCO member with strong arms-trading ties to Israel that was not consulted on the statement.
Iran has drawn closer to China in recent years, with the two countries cooperating regularly on military exercises and signing an economic, military, and security cooperation agreement in 2021. More than 90 percent of Iranian oil exports go to China—using a system of workarounds to bypass Western banks and shipping services and yuan-denominated transactions to avoid triggering sanctions.
If Israel is successful in disrupting Iran’s oil industry, it could be painful for China. But since Iran is only China’s sixth-biggest supplier, China will be able to absorb the blow.
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If China were to intervene, it would probably be to pressure Iran not to close the Strait of Hormuz to shipping, as Tehran has threatened in the past.
Although China’s main oil supplier is Russia, about half of all Chinese oil imports come from Gulf states. A disruption of the strait and subsequent surge in energy prices would be painful for China’s already struggling economy.
Iran has drawn closer to China in recent years, with the two countries cooperating regularly on military exercises and signing an economic, military, and security cooperation agreement in 2021. More than 90 percent of Iranian oil exports go to China—using a system of workarounds to bypass Western banks and shipping services and yuan-denominated transactions to avoid triggering sanctions.
If Israel is successful in disrupting Iran’s oil industry, it could be painful for China. But since Iran is only China’s sixth-biggest supplier, China will be able to absorb the blow.
China Backs Iran in Fight Against Israel — Foreign Policy
Beijing’s response is stronger and more direct than before.
Although China’s main oil supplier is Russia, about half of all Chinese oil imports come from Gulf states. A disruption of the strait and subsequent surge in energy prices would be painful for China’s already struggling economy.
Almost inevitable that someone hits a button and wipes out a few million people. Hope it's not a worker trying to test the system.
Maybe then Peace and Goodwill could become a priority but it won't last either.
Maybe then Peace and Goodwill could become a priority but it won't last either.
What is the Massive Ordnance Penetrator, the U.S. bunker-busting bomb?
Author of the article:Washington Post
Washington Post
Alex Horton, Maham Javaid, Warren P. Strobel
Published Jun 18, 2025 • 4 minute read
In this file photo released by the U.S. Air Force on May 2, 2023, airmen look at a GBU-57, or the Massive Ordnance Penetrator bomb, at Whiteman Air Base in Missouri.
In this file photo released by the U.S. Air Force on May 2, 2023, airmen look at a GBU-57, or the Massive Ordnance Penetrator bomb, at Whiteman Air Base in Missouri.
In the event the United States enters the escalating conflict between Israel and Iran, a likely focus will be on degrading or destroying Tehran’s underground facilities that enrich nuclear material.
That task would most likely fall to a small number of Air Force strategic bombers that are capable of delivering 30,000-pound precision-guided bombs designed to destroy subterranean targets.
This bomb, the GBU-57, is better known as a “bunker buster” or the Massive Ordnance Penetrator.
Why is the MOP the right tool for the job?
It’s in the name. The MOP is designed for deeply buried and fortified facilities, such as bunkers and tunnels. Its design, sheer weight and steel alloy construction allow it to burrow underground and then explode, according to the Air Force.
Though the heaviest conventional weapon in the U.S. arsenal, it is not designed to saturate explosives over a wide area. Commanders rely on its GPS-guided precision to hit specific, well-defended targets to destroy what ordinary bombs cannot reach. There are no public reports of the MOP being used in combat, experts have said.
Defence officials have said the MOP is capable of penetrating up to 200 feet. But it is probably more capable now after further development over the past two decades, said Trevor Ball, a former Army explosive ordnance disposal technician.
While the Israelis have relied on U.S. munitions for its devastating air war in Gaza, Lebanon and Iran, their fighter jets cannot carry MOPs. The U.S. B-2 Spirit stealth bomber is the only Air Force aircraft that can deploy the MOP, the service has said.
There are 19 operational B-2s, according to the Air Force. Traveling at subsonic speeds, but capable of midair refueling, the B-2 can fly an extraordinary distance. During the Kosovo war in the late 1990s, B-2 pilots flew round trips from their home station at Whiteman Air Force Base in Missouri to strike targets. In 2017, a pair of B-2s flew 34 hours to hit Islamic State camps in Libya.
Recent upgrades to the MOP include resolving an undescribed “integration issue” with the B-2, the Air Force said last year. The service also said it is testing technology that can help destroy targets where intelligence about substructures may be limited. A smart fuse on the MOP can detect voids on its path downward — such as rooms and floors — and explode at an optimal point, Ball said.
That would be an important capability if commanders decided they needed to strike the same deep target multiple times. It is unclear whether that technology has been put into operational use.
Which underground Iranian sites are likely targets?
Iran’s most deeply buried nuclear enrichment site is Fordow, in the desert southwest of Tehran.
The facility is fully underground, carved into a mountainside. U.N. inspectors who viewed the site noted tunnels with thick walls and blastproof doors, with some bunkers protected by up to 300 feet of rock, The Post reported in 2012.
Fordow is ostensibly designed to produce uranium enriched to 20% purity. But an International Atomic Energy Agency inspection report on May 31 found that Iran had significantly increased its production there of 60% enriched uranium, approaching the 90% level needed to fuel a nuclear weapon.
Experts warn that even destroying the uranium-enriching centrifuges deep underground at Fordow would not necessarily mean the end of Iran’s nuclear program.
There may be enrichment sites or caches of nuclear fuel that U.N. inspectors are unaware of, said Richard Nephew, a lead U.S. negotiator with Iran under the Obama administration and now a fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy.
“Even if Fordow was evaporated tomorrow, we would still have massive concerns,” Nephew said.
How have Israeli attacks affected Iran’s nuclear facilities?
Iran’s nuclear facilities were not irreversibly damaged in the first couple waves of Israeli attacks, based on statements from both countries as well as videos and imagery of the damaged sites, The Washington Post reported.
Israel appeared to have attacked near Fordow, but did not hit the underground facility itself. Strikes at Natanz, Iran’s other main enrichment site, destroyed several facilities and damaged the electrical system, according to the IAEA and nonproliferation experts. Iran’s only above-ground enrichment site, part of a larger complex at Natanz known as the Pilot Fuel Enrichment Plant, was destroyed, IAEA Director General Rafael Grossi said Monday.
Analysts viewing satellite imagery had originally said the underground enrichment machinery at Natanz was unscathed. But the IAEA said in a post Tuesday on X that its analyses “indicate direct impacts on the underground enrichment halls at Natanz.”
A uranium metal production facility in Isfahan, a military complex in Parchin and the Arak heavy water reactor southwest of Tehran and the Bushehr nuclear power plant are other nuclear sites that were hit, according to the Israel Defence Forces.
Grossi confirmed the facility at Isfahan was hit but said Bushehr was not targeted or affected.
torontosun.com
Author of the article:Washington Post
Washington Post
Alex Horton, Maham Javaid, Warren P. Strobel
Published Jun 18, 2025 • 4 minute read
In this file photo released by the U.S. Air Force on May 2, 2023, airmen look at a GBU-57, or the Massive Ordnance Penetrator bomb, at Whiteman Air Base in Missouri.
In this file photo released by the U.S. Air Force on May 2, 2023, airmen look at a GBU-57, or the Massive Ordnance Penetrator bomb, at Whiteman Air Base in Missouri.
In the event the United States enters the escalating conflict between Israel and Iran, a likely focus will be on degrading or destroying Tehran’s underground facilities that enrich nuclear material.
That task would most likely fall to a small number of Air Force strategic bombers that are capable of delivering 30,000-pound precision-guided bombs designed to destroy subterranean targets.
This bomb, the GBU-57, is better known as a “bunker buster” or the Massive Ordnance Penetrator.
Why is the MOP the right tool for the job?
It’s in the name. The MOP is designed for deeply buried and fortified facilities, such as bunkers and tunnels. Its design, sheer weight and steel alloy construction allow it to burrow underground and then explode, according to the Air Force.
Though the heaviest conventional weapon in the U.S. arsenal, it is not designed to saturate explosives over a wide area. Commanders rely on its GPS-guided precision to hit specific, well-defended targets to destroy what ordinary bombs cannot reach. There are no public reports of the MOP being used in combat, experts have said.
Defence officials have said the MOP is capable of penetrating up to 200 feet. But it is probably more capable now after further development over the past two decades, said Trevor Ball, a former Army explosive ordnance disposal technician.
While the Israelis have relied on U.S. munitions for its devastating air war in Gaza, Lebanon and Iran, their fighter jets cannot carry MOPs. The U.S. B-2 Spirit stealth bomber is the only Air Force aircraft that can deploy the MOP, the service has said.
There are 19 operational B-2s, according to the Air Force. Traveling at subsonic speeds, but capable of midair refueling, the B-2 can fly an extraordinary distance. During the Kosovo war in the late 1990s, B-2 pilots flew round trips from their home station at Whiteman Air Force Base in Missouri to strike targets. In 2017, a pair of B-2s flew 34 hours to hit Islamic State camps in Libya.
Recent upgrades to the MOP include resolving an undescribed “integration issue” with the B-2, the Air Force said last year. The service also said it is testing technology that can help destroy targets where intelligence about substructures may be limited. A smart fuse on the MOP can detect voids on its path downward — such as rooms and floors — and explode at an optimal point, Ball said.
That would be an important capability if commanders decided they needed to strike the same deep target multiple times. It is unclear whether that technology has been put into operational use.
Which underground Iranian sites are likely targets?
Iran’s most deeply buried nuclear enrichment site is Fordow, in the desert southwest of Tehran.
The facility is fully underground, carved into a mountainside. U.N. inspectors who viewed the site noted tunnels with thick walls and blastproof doors, with some bunkers protected by up to 300 feet of rock, The Post reported in 2012.
Fordow is ostensibly designed to produce uranium enriched to 20% purity. But an International Atomic Energy Agency inspection report on May 31 found that Iran had significantly increased its production there of 60% enriched uranium, approaching the 90% level needed to fuel a nuclear weapon.
Experts warn that even destroying the uranium-enriching centrifuges deep underground at Fordow would not necessarily mean the end of Iran’s nuclear program.
There may be enrichment sites or caches of nuclear fuel that U.N. inspectors are unaware of, said Richard Nephew, a lead U.S. negotiator with Iran under the Obama administration and now a fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy.
“Even if Fordow was evaporated tomorrow, we would still have massive concerns,” Nephew said.
How have Israeli attacks affected Iran’s nuclear facilities?
Iran’s nuclear facilities were not irreversibly damaged in the first couple waves of Israeli attacks, based on statements from both countries as well as videos and imagery of the damaged sites, The Washington Post reported.
Israel appeared to have attacked near Fordow, but did not hit the underground facility itself. Strikes at Natanz, Iran’s other main enrichment site, destroyed several facilities and damaged the electrical system, according to the IAEA and nonproliferation experts. Iran’s only above-ground enrichment site, part of a larger complex at Natanz known as the Pilot Fuel Enrichment Plant, was destroyed, IAEA Director General Rafael Grossi said Monday.
Analysts viewing satellite imagery had originally said the underground enrichment machinery at Natanz was unscathed. But the IAEA said in a post Tuesday on X that its analyses “indicate direct impacts on the underground enrichment halls at Natanz.”
A uranium metal production facility in Isfahan, a military complex in Parchin and the Arak heavy water reactor southwest of Tehran and the Bushehr nuclear power plant are other nuclear sites that were hit, according to the Israel Defence Forces.
Grossi confirmed the facility at Isfahan was hit but said Bushehr was not targeted or affected.
What is the Massive Ordnance Penetrator, the U.S. bunker-busting bomb?
In the event the U.S. enters the escalating conflict between Israel and Iran, a likely focus will be on Tehran's underground facilities.