Walking Dead Returns...tomorrow...yay!

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You gotta love a guy who names a baby "little azz kicker".

Unless it's your baby, then you gotta kick his azz.

But otherwise.
 

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true enough

here's the thing about Judith....whose baby is she?
 

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that's what I think too, but it's not like they are gonna DNA her
 

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that's what I think too, but it's not like they are gonna DNA her

Rick already knows, he's known since the beginning. It may have mattered and bothered him somewhat then but too much sh*it has gone down to matter now.
 

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I always thought it was Shane's as well.

And Rick knew that. Just like Rick knew from the beginning about him and Lorri, he told her as much when she finally "confessed" it to him. He knew, and a part of him even understood it. I think it all came to a head for him when Shane tried to kill him and Lorri didn't really accept that Rick killed him in self defense.

Maybe Rick didn't accept that it was completely in self defense too. That, to me, has been the really fascinating part about watching his character. Everybody always goes on about how cold Shane was, as a leader, but I think Rick has it in him to be much, much colder. Because his darkness runs really deep. And he knows it and he's rightfully afraid of it. I think that's why he's always tried so hard to be even handed, fair, reasonable. Why it really takes a lot to push him into confrontation. Why it freaks him out so much to see the darkness in his boy.
 

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And Rick knew that. Just like Rick knew from the beginning about him and Lorri, he told her as much when she finally "confessed" it to him. He knew, and a part of him even understood it. I think it all came to a head for him when Shane tried to kill him and Lorri didn't really accept that Rick killed him in self defense.

Maybe Rick didn't accept that it was completely in self defense too. That, to me, has been the really fascinating part about watching his character. Everybody always goes on about how cold Shane was, as a leader, but I think Rick has it in him to be much, much colder. Because his darkness runs really deep. And he knows it and he's rightfully afraid of it. I think that's why he's always tried so hard to be even handed, fair, reasonable. Why it really takes a lot to push him into confrontation. Why it freaks him out so much to see the darkness in his boy.
I don't think it takes much to push Rick at all. In the good days when things were civilized and he was the law, then it did, but not now. He downed Aaron in that last episode needlessly. He didn't kill Shane though, Carl did.

I think that Shane had lost it in a nasty way. He was all about himself. He shot that guy and let the walkers consume him so he could escape. Rick would never do that. Rick is all about the group and keeping his tribe together. He is darker and colder than Shane but deeper and in a better way.

Carl has gained compassion. He knows he is strong and he would sacrifice himself for another but not needlessly.

Did that guy actually rape him or not?
 

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I don't think it takes much to push Rick at all. In the good days when things were civilized and he was the law, then it did, but not now. He downed Aaron in that last episode needlessly. He didn't kill Shane though, Carl did.

No Rick killed Shane, in self defense. Carl shot the reanimated Shane. This was when they discovered the virus had become airborne.

I think that Shane had lost it in a nasty way. He was all about himself. He shot that guy and let the walkers consume him so he could escape. Rick would never do that. Rick is all about the group and keeping his tribe together. He is darker and colder than Shane but deeper and in a better way.
Yes, Shane lost it, no doubt. But Shane would never be the Governor, he was too hot headed. Rick, at least a part of him, could be, because he has the capacity for real darkness in him. He knows it, he reigns it in, he fights against it, you can see him doing that.

Carl has gained compassion. He knows he is strong and he would sacrifice himself for another but not needlessly.

Yes, he has.

Did that guy actually rape him or not?

No I don't think it got that far but it was close.
 

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No Rick killed Shane, in self defense. Carl shot the reanimated Shane. This was when they discovered the virus had become airborne.
ew you are right, Rick killed him first and he reanimated fast...somehow in my head I had put that on Carl....thanks

Yes, Shane lost it, no doubt. But Shane would never be the Governor, he was too hot headed.
agreed...Shane was not smart enough to be the governor, he couldn't see the big picture, could only deal in the immediate...also to me funnily enough I think the governor "almost" was going to redeem himself...he had the potential...Shane did not, could not have simply because he was only motivated by self interest...not a really complex kind of guy.


Rick, at least a part of him, could be, because he has the capacity for real darkness in him. He knows it, he reigns it in, he fights against it, you can see him doing that.
agreed, that's his complexity, he is not black and white, he will do what ever he has to for the sake of the group....his moral compass shifts according to group need and he would destroy himself morally if it would save the group physically. His kids come first, then the group then his physical being, but he views himself as a walking dead because he has placed his soul on hold to do what he must do (like his dad during the war) and then he gets to live. What he is not facing yet is; can one live a life after putting one's soul on hold. I think that is the current dilemma that will now play out in a civilized environment.

Daryl on the other hand was a walking dead prior to the zombies, no moral compass, abused childhood, protected from his parents by his brother...now...he has become an integrated human being. As he said, he is not the walking dead. Rick on the other hand is.
 

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Shane's personality did change rather quickly. He went from good guy to real bad guy.


When they went to the field that night they both knew only one was coming back.
 

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Shane's personality did change rather quickly. He went from good guy to real bad guy.

Somehow I always thought it was as if the disease was beginning to affect him before he died. Which could have been interesting, plot wise but they've never revisited anything like that. So they probably just wanted to make him real bad so people wouldn't hate Rick for killing him. Lol


When they went to the field that night they both knew only one was coming back.
Well didn't Shane set it up that way? With letting that kid go then claiming he escaped?