Vote in House to extend commitment to Afghanistan

[FiveParadox]

Vicious, isn't that what a party is supposed to do?

I mean, if one considers the entire purpose of the Parliament Assembled of Canada, is it not to represent the people of Canada in our system of governance? If a majority of citizens oppose something, then barring exigent circumstances, shouldn't our Members of Parliament seek to oppose such an endeavour, too?

 

[Jay]

What about WW2...could we just vote our way out of that too?

 

[FiveParadox]

Jay, that's not what I meant to suggest.

Whether or not the mission in the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan is a good endeavour, in the opinion of the House, should of course be considered — however, the Canadian Forces are not under the command of the Lower House of Parliament! Of course the Right Honourable Stephen Harper, P.C., M.P., the Member for Calgary Southwest and the Prime Minister of Canada, should consider quite seriously the advice of the Commons; however, the exercise of the Forces is an executive, and not a legislative, function.

 

[elevennevele]

Re: RE: Vote in House to extend commitment to Afghanistan

What about WW2...could we just vote our way out of that too?

Oh comeon! Yeah, as if there is a comparison to WW2. So that would mean Afghanistan has already taken over much of the middle east and we are now trying to push them back along with the Russians fighting from the opposite side. I gotta feel sorry for those Russians with their scorched earth policy as they try to keep the Afghans from making their way to Moscow.

Gee, and the Afghans must have some of the most sophisticated war machines to hit their neighbours with a Blitzkrieg and I guess Harper is rushing to build a nuclear bomb before they figure it out.

Was there a vote? Did I miss that one?

 

[Mogz]

RE: Vote in House to exte

Why does supporting the troops always have to equal supporting the mission? The same language was used for Vietnam and all that became was a senseless meat grinder. We don't set buildings on fire so firefighters have something to do.

The mission statement is good for Afghanistan, I'm all for idealism, but I live by reality. If Afghanistan doesn't turn out to be anything more than a meat grinder down the road, the "stay at any cost" does not sit with me.

Exactly. You don't have to agree with Canada being in Afghanistan, but at least disagree with an informed opinion. All i've ever asked is that the public supports the people in the uniform, the mission doesn't have to be blindly adhered to by the entire Canadian populace. Furthermore, yes, if Afghanistan became a "meat grinder", where dozens of Canadians were being killed each day, I too would suggest Canada leaves. There is no point maintaining an Operation for the sake of saving face.

 

[Hank C]

Re: RE: Vote in House to exte

And where is the link that shows where the majority of Liberals are ‘quoted’ as stating their vote was against completing the mission itself which is the statement made by HankC?

no this is what I said:

What we all feared is a new liberal leader using our mission in afghanistan and playing off the fears of an uneducated public to win back power. This would be absolutley outrageous considering the liberals commited to the mission, only to campaign against completing the job in a cheap election ploy.

The point is that there is chance that the Liberals may choose a leader who is against/campaigns against the Afghanistan mission, to win back power. I would hope the Liberal party would have more dignity than that, but in hindsight I have witnessed what desparate Liberals do (look no further than the Paul Martin re-election campain).

 

[BitWhys]

The point is you said the Liberals commited to the mission only to campaign against completing the job. Now especialling in light of the fact given the opportunity you won't reneg, the reader is left to assume the past tense was no accident.

I want a link proving they campaigned against it so I don't have to stack you in with the rest of the lying Conservative crap inhabiting this board.

The point is what you said and what happened are two different things.

 

[fuzzylogix]

Some of you guys keep harping back to us being in Afghanistan to fight the Taliban. Particularly as a female I agree that their style of governance is in my mind, unaccepatable and against women's rights. I would like to ask all of you proud male warriors however, why you didnt come to my sisters' rescue in 1996 when the Taliban took over? Why did it take you so long to pretend to be helping my sisters out---

Also, some of you claim that the reason you must fight the Taliban is because they sponsor terrorists. Well, can you please invade Pakistan then, as they are helping the Taliban... Oh what, you afraid of a nuclear weapon????

 

[Hank C]

The point is you said the Liberals commited to the mission only to campaign against completing the job. Now especialling in light of the fact given the opportunity you won't reneg, the reader is left to assume the past tense was no accident.

I want a link proving they campaigned against it so I don't have to stack you in with the rest of the lying Conservative crap inhabiting this board.

The point is what you said and what happened are two different things.

I see I have to explain it to you again, however this time I will bold the parts you need to recognize in order to understand......

What we all feared is a new liberal leader using our mission in afghanistan and playing off the fears of an uneducated public to win back power. This would be absolutley outrageous considering the liberals commited to the mission, only to campaign against completing the job in a cheap election ploy.

 

[BitWhys]

I see I have to explain it to you again, however this time I will bold the parts you need to recognize in order to understand......

What we all feared is a new liberal leader using our mission in afghanistan and playing off the fears of an uneducated public to win back power. This would be absolutley outrageous considering the liberals commited to the mission, only to campaign against completing the job in a cheap election ploy.

If taking a poor sentence structure and using visual cues to make it worse is your idea of a proper explanation that's fine by me, especially considering that its only within the more esoteric aspects of social theory that your particular sense of reality is really any of my business.

Its not like I haven't already made my point.
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[darkbeaver]

RE: Vote in House to exte

Lying conservative crap, I like the tone of that. Fuzzy said it
the bullshitters claim we're in Afghanistan to fight the Taleban, if that were true we would be in Pakistan as well.

 

[BitWhys]

hey DB

Hank raised the bar in this thread. You might want to borrow one of these:

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:wink:

 

[darkbeaver]

RE: Vote in House to exte

Where would I put them?

 

[BitWhys]

Use one or the other in place of the first comma. I recommend using the semicolon since it fits, is more effective, and you need the full stop for the other thread.

 

[darkbeaver]

RE: Vote in House to exte

I will try in the future to incorporate your good tips.

 

[fuzzylogix]

Use one or the other in place of the the first comma. I recommend using the semicolon since it fits, is more effective, and you need the full stop for the other thread.

BitWhys, could you please delete one of your "the"s. Thank you.

 

[BitWhys]

My goodness. I suppose I should. Would you prefer the removal of the the on the left or the removal of the the on right?

 

[fuzzylogix]

Get RID of the right one please.

 

[BitWhys]

RE: Vote in House to exte

My pleasure and thank you for helping me decide. The problem, you see, is that it would turn out that in keeping with currently being a card-carrying member of the NDP, from my point of view they both were doing pretty well the same job.

 

[damngrumpy]

Harper is only putting us in a forward roll in there to allow the Americans to commit more troops for Iraq. Anything that allows Bush to spill Canadian blood in one country to ease pressure on his illegal war in another is not worth it. Lets work to have more countries pull out and let the USA stew in its own juice.
In Afghnistan we were doing a good job now we are puppets of the Americans. The Yanks should be left to stand alone, after all they started most of the trouble anyway.