Veteran Mountie reprimanded for disgraceful conduct

grumpydigger

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By: The Canadian Press

Date: Tuesday May. 22, 2012 5:14 PM PT Veteran Mountie reprimanded for disgraceful conduct | CTV British Columbia

EDMONTON — RCMP leaders are defending a decision not to fire a senior Mountie for disgraceful conduct that includes have sex with subordinates, exposing himself to a co-worker and drinking on the job.
Staff Sgt. Don Ray was instead reprimanded, demoted one rank and fined 10 days pay for his transgressions that happened while he was in charge of the behavioural sciences unit at RCMP K Division headquarters in Edmonton.
A report by an internal disciplinary board released Tuesday said Ray deserved a break because of his long years of satisfactory service and support from other Mounties.
"Staff Sergeant Ray's career record and contributions, some of which were attested to in strong letters of support provided from subordinates, colleagues and supervisors stood him in good steed," reads the report.
"Staff Sergeant Ray has continued support in the workplace."
The board's report says Ray admitted to seven counts of disgraceful conduct on the job between 2006 and 2009.
They include stocking the office with rum and beer and offering drinks to subordinates, having sex with a civilian subordinate and exposing himself to a co-worker.
Ray said he had sex with a different co-worker in the headquarters' polygraph office after drinking beer and had sex inside a car in a parking lot with another employee after visiting a pub.
He also made inappropriate sexual comments to a woman subordinate, including remarks about her sex life with her husband.
"Staff Sgt. Ray made a comment to Ms. D. to the effect that she was a "hottie" when he learned of her age," the report says.
"On another occasion Staff Sgt. Ray put his arm around Ms. D.'s shoulder and she told him she didn't like to be touched. Staff Sgt. Ray commented in front of other employees that it must have been hard for Ms. D. and her husband to have children if she does not like to be touched."
The report notes the statements made to the board by the victims are troubling, revealing wounds that will take time and attention to heal.
It also says Ray's actions have discredited the RCMP and that his actions have set a poor example.
"Our organization relies upon its senior NCOs to set a good example for younger members, and Staff Sergeant Ray's misconduct has had the opposite effect."
Chief Superintendent Marlin Degrand, a senior K Division officer, said Ray has been transferred to an undisclosed RCMP detachment in British Columbia.
Degrand said Ray's case was dealt with quickly and fairly under the rules of the RCMP Act as soon as Mountie leaders became aware of the allegations.
He would not comment on whether police considered laying criminal charges in the case.
At a new conference Degrand appeared to be mortified by this latest smear on the image of Canada's national police force.
"The RCMP has approximately 30,000 employees -- men and women who I am proud to work with every day. The vast majority of those individuals are exceptional people doing an exceptional job in the service of the public," he said.
"When individuals such as Sgt. Ray make the decisions that they do and perform the activities such as they do, it cannot help but bring discredit to the rest of us, and it hurts us."
The RCMP has been dogged by allegations from female officers of sexual assault, harassment and inappropriate conduct by male officers, including superiors.
Since last fall at least five lawsuits have been filed by current and former female Mounties against the RCMP.
Mountie leaders have promised to investigate the claims, but also the prevalence of harassment within the force.

Drinking on the job, exposing himself and having sex with subordinates and God knows what else LOL

10 days without pay in a small drop in rank and a transfer.

It's no wonder, the respect for the RCMP is gone.

Oh I forgot......... just one bad apple
 

damngrumpy

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One bad apple my fanny, this force is being run by people who are not
leaders or in charge to the employees called police officers. The problem
is that they have demonstrated again and a again they cannot police
themselves and oversight is badly needed.
If this was a one bad apple story we wouldn't have a barrel of bad apples
presently.
the offences are becoming more prevalent, and the seriousness of the
acts are becoming more embarrassing all the time. When will they fire the
senior management and re-write the book of instructional material. They
must also get back to hiring the right people for the job and that is not
happening in recent years.
 

grumpydigger

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This is proof that all were getting is lip service from the RCMP mouthpieces About being serious About weeding out Their arrogant incompetent members. .........nothing has or will change
 

mentalfloss

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Not to make light of the situation, but is consensual sex disgraceful?
 

L Gilbert

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Great movie scenario. We've already had shows where cops are good at catching thieves and murderers yet are dealing drugs and other stuff on the side.
It's good that a cop does the job they are supposed to do but excusing them for doing wrongful things because of past deeds is foolish. Cops are supposed to be the epitome of propriety in a society. I think the dumb SOB should have been demoted to Cst., restationed, and be required to be accompanied by another senior cop at all times while on duty.

Only issue is can it be truly consentual with a subordinate?
If they are married to someone else and after they've said they don't want to be touched?
 

#juan

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Great movie scenario. We've already had shows where cops are good at catching thieves and murderers yet are dealing drugs and other stuff on the side.
It's good that a cop does the job they are supposed to do but excusing them for doing wrongful things because of past deeds is foolish. Cops are supposed to be the epitome of propriety in a society. I think the dumb SOB should have been demoted to Cst., restationed, and be required to be accompanied by another senior cop at all times while on duty.
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I tend to agree. It's hard to see how this guy got off so lightly.
 

L Gilbert

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Is that the case? Ha!
I was referring to stuff like this;
He also made inappropriate sexual comments to a woman subordinate, including remarks about her sex life with her husband.
"Staff Sgt. Ray made a comment to Ms. D. to the effect that she was a "hottie" when he learned of her age," the report says.
"On another occasion Staff Sgt. Ray put his arm around Ms. D.'s shoulder and she told him she didn't like to be touched. Staff Sgt. Ray commented in front of other employees that it must have been hard for Ms. D. and her husband to have children if she does not like to be touched."

That is pretty disgraceful, lol
Yep.
 

mentalfloss

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Ah, I started reading, then stopped part ways because of the formatting. Thanks for the correction!
 

mentalfloss

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Eaaaaaaasy partner. I think you can see that formatting can dissuade some people from reading through the entire text.

You are correct about the OP so please accept my appy-polly-logies.
 

Galadriel

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By: The Canadian Press

Date: Tuesday May. 22, 2012 5:14 PM PT Veteran Mountie reprimanded for disgraceful conduct | CTV British Columbia

EDMONTON — RCMP leaders are defending a decision not to fire a senior Mountie for disgraceful conduct that includes have sex with subordinates, exposing himself to a co-worker and drinking on the job.
Staff Sgt. Don Ray was instead reprimanded, demoted one rank and fined 10 days pay for his transgressions that happened while he was in charge of the behavioural sciences unit at RCMP K Division headquarters in Edmonton.
A report by an internal disciplinary board released Tuesday said Ray deserved a break because of his long years of satisfactory service and support from other Mounties.
"Staff Sergeant Ray's career record and contributions, some of which were attested to in strong letters of support provided from subordinates, colleagues and supervisors stood him in good steed," reads the report.
"Staff Sergeant Ray has continued support in the workplace."
The board's report says Ray admitted to seven counts of disgraceful conduct on the job between 2006 and 2009.
They include stocking the office with rum and beer and offering drinks to subordinates, having sex with a civilian subordinate and exposing himself to a co-worker.
Ray said he had sex with a different co-worker in the headquarters' polygraph office after drinking beer and had sex inside a car in a parking lot with another employee after visiting a pub.
He also made inappropriate sexual comments to a woman subordinate, including remarks about her sex life with her husband.
"Staff Sgt. Ray made a comment to Ms. D. to the effect that she was a "hottie" when he learned of her age," the report says.
"On another occasion Staff Sgt. Ray put his arm around Ms. D.'s shoulder and she told him she didn't like to be touched. Staff Sgt. Ray commented in front of other employees that it must have been hard for Ms. D. and her husband to have children if she does not like to be touched."
The report notes the statements made to the board by the victims are troubling, revealing wounds that will take time and attention to heal.
It also says Ray's actions have discredited the RCMP and that his actions have set a poor example.
"Our organization relies upon its senior NCOs to set a good example for younger members, and Staff Sergeant Ray's misconduct has had the opposite effect."
Chief Superintendent Marlin Degrand, a senior K Division officer, said Ray has been transferred to an undisclosed RCMP detachment in British Columbia.
Degrand said Ray's case was dealt with quickly and fairly under the rules of the RCMP Act as soon as Mountie leaders became aware of the allegations.
He would not comment on whether police considered laying criminal charges in the case.
At a new conference Degrand appeared to be mortified by this latest smear on the image of Canada's national police force.
"The RCMP has approximately 30,000 employees -- men and women who I am proud to work with every day. The vast majority of those individuals are exceptional people doing an exceptional job in the service of the public," he said.
"When individuals such as Sgt. Ray make the decisions that they do and perform the activities such as they do, it cannot help but bring discredit to the rest of us, and it hurts us."
The RCMP has been dogged by allegations from female officers of sexual assault, harassment and inappropriate conduct by male officers, including superiors.
Since last fall at least five lawsuits have been filed by current and former female Mounties against the RCMP.
Mountie leaders have promised to investigate the claims, but also the prevalence of harassment within the force.

Drinking on the job, exposing himself and having sex with subordinates and God knows what else LOL

10 days without pay in a small drop in rank and a transfer.

It's no wonder, the respect for the RCMP is gone.

Oh I forgot......... just one bad apple
Demoted and 10 days loss of pay ? He should have been sacked !