USA's Unfinished Wars

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it was an especially ill-conceived war.

It was a tragic mistake for Canada to take part in it.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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USA's Unfinished Wars
1812-1814 .... Objectives not yet met ...
In what way? Canada is basically the perfect client state. It's the Labrador Retriever of allies!

The overall assessment of the War of 1812 has to be "That went better than expected."

Objectives:

1. Getting Britain to acknowledge us as an independent player not to be messed with. Done.

2. Taking over Canada. Done even better than we thought. You do what you're told and don't give us any trouble. And don't cost us anything.
 

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In what way? Canada is basically the perfect client state. It's the Labrador Retriever of allies!
The overall assessment of the War of 1812 has to be "That went better than expected."
Objectives:
1. Getting Britain to acknowledge us as an independent player not to be messed with. Done.
2. Taking over Canada. Done even better than we thought. You do what you're told and don't give us any trouble. And don't cost us anything.
Ever had one of those? They'll chew everything you own to pieces, as loveable as they are.
 

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In what way? Canada is basically the perfect client state. It's the Labrador Retriever of allies!
The overall assessment of the War of 1812 has to be "That went better than expected."
Objectives:
1. Getting Britain to acknowledge us as an independent player not to be messed with. Done.
2. Taking over Canada. Done even better than we thought. You do what you're told and don't give us any trouble. And don't cost us anything.
Strangely, one of the objectives, or at least one that was stated in your 19th century re-writes of the history of the war of 1812 was stopping the impressment of American sailors. It was so insignificant that there isn't a single mention if it in the Treaty of Ghent. I guess that it was a later propaganda means of turning naked American aggression into some sort of "victimization of the poor old USA".
 

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Strangely, one of the objectives, or at least one that was stated in your 19th century re-writes of the history of the war of 1812 was stopping the impressment of American sailors. It was so insignificant that there isn't a single mention if it in the Treaty of Ghent. I guess that it was a later propaganda means of turning naked American aggression into some sort of "victimization of the poor old USA".
Of course. Every country's stated (or re-written later) rationale for going to war is BS.

U.S. Civil War? To put down a rebellion. Excuse: free the slaves.

WWI? Decide who was going to get the biggest piece of industrialization and trade. Excuse: defend "small countries."

WWII? Them Germans is messing with our cash flow! Excuse: Save the Jews!

1950-1990? Dick-measuring with the USSR. Excuse: keep the world safe for democracy.

Middle East? Uppity ragheads and oil. Excuse: Terrism!
 

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Revolution? An elite wants to take political control of the colonies! Excuse: Taxes!
Yep. Our guys didn't have any problem with the system, they just didn't like who was in charge. Figured things'd be better with them in charge.

Worth noting that all the kerfuffle leading up to the Revolution (1770-1776) was about wanting to be full British subjects, with representation in Parliament. Didn't get to thinking about independence until it was made crystal-clear that wasn't happening.

That's why any comparisons between the American Revolution and the Civil War or Brexit or those ABexit imbeciles is complete garbage. They had and have what the American colonists wanted.
 

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Yep. Our guys didn't have any problem with the system, they just didn't like who was in charge. Figured things'd be better with them in charge.
Worth noting that all the kerfuffle leading up to the Revolution (1770-1776) was about wanting to be full British subjects, with representation in Parliament. Didn't get to thinking about independence until it was made crystal-clear that wasn't happening.
That's why any comparisons between the American Revolution and the Civil War or Brexit or those ABexit imbeciles is complete garbage. They had and have what the American colonists wanted.
The American colonists were already the freest people on Earth before the revolt.

The Star Spangled Freedom Eagle shyte came much later after the Art Department got hold of it.
 

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Why am I not surprised that you disapprove of freeing the slaves?
...or even the after-the-fact propaganda about slavery when nobody, Lincoln included gave a shyte about slavery in 1860.

Re-write ... re-write ... re-write ...

We re-write the part about Canadians burning down Washington. There wasn't a single Canadian soldier in Washington that day ... probably lots of RN Tars on the naval vessels tho seeing as they were based in Halifax. However, the Canadian legend doesn't cover that part.