A long time ago it wasn't rare to see skies strapped to roof racks on American cars heading to PEI on the ferry during summer. I try to avoid belittleing Amercans but every once in a while some come along who stand out.
US Navy’s newest ship breaks down 20 days after commissioning,
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A long time ago it wasn't rare to see skies strapped to roof racks on American cars heading to PEI on the ferry during summer. I try to avoid belittleing Amercans but every once in a while some come along who stand out.
I remember seeing legions of them in Montreal during Expo 67 in July.
There are some truly brilliant Americans. The average Joe there, though receives a substandard education by anybody's measure. That is not a new story but now that "dumb" mass production jobs have left forever and new and smarter types of jobs are all that are left to us in North America, it is a fatal flaw to be dumbed down. I don't think that they will ever recover from it, either. They will have to completely abandon their evagelical Christianity, for one, and go back to trying to understand Science. That just ain't going to happen and the minority of them are rapidly slipping into an underclass with no exit.
This is how a great Empire dies. It is not the first one.
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best I had, was a waiter in Vegas that was from Texas. When he found out that I was from Vancouver, he let me know he was going to Montreal and maybe we could meet up for coffee or something. When I informed him that Montreal was over 2000 miles from Vancouver, he was shocked. When I informed him that BC, the province that Vancouver was in, was bigger than Texas, he said "NOTHIN IS BIGGER 'N TEXAS" and stomped off, genuinely pi$$ed at me. rofl
It's almost past tense, now. Our's is in grave danger, as well but our populace is a little bit better prepared for what is coming. The logical outcome of this is a new version of Feudalism with virtually all of the wealth in a few hands and what was formerly the Middle Class has to enter into some sort of permanent indentureship in order to survive. This kind of economic order is really the default one for our species and the current "democracy" craze is fleeting and temporary.
That's about the way I see it working out if it's not nipped in the bud. The Paris Climate/Homo Control meeting seems to indicate a need to consolodate the elites power grip under the rubric of Planetary Salvation, a very popular idea. Yeah, democracy devolving into despotism.
It's hardly unusual for something made in America to break after 20 days.
It was you Canadians who broke those submarine. They were the best diesel submarines in the world until you got them. What is not commonly mentioned - or not mentioned at all - on this discussion forum whenever those submarines are mentioned is that the fire onboard HMCS Chicoutimi was later decided to be due to an error in operational procedure (the hapless Canadian sailors left a hatch open, allowing sea water from a rogue wave to wash down the conning tower and inundate high-voltage wires).
I find it quite comical that whilst the British are currently building the world class Astute-class hunter-killer submarines, the Canadians are goung round setting fire to their second-hand ones.
It was you Canadians who broke those submarine. They were the best diesel submarines in the world until you got them. What is not commonly mentioned - or not mentioned at all - on this discussion forum whenever those submarines are mentioned is that the fire onboard HMCS Chicoutimi was later decided to be due to an error in operational procedure (the hapless Canadian sailors left a hatch open, allowing sea water from a rogue wave to wash down the conning tower and inundate high-voltage wires).
I find it quite comical that whilst the British are currently building the world class Astute-class hunter-killer submarines, the Canadians are goung round setting fire to their second-hand ones.
I find it quite comical that whilst the British are currently building the world class Astute-class hunter-killer submarines, the Canadians are goung round setting fire to their second-hand ones.
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I find it quite comical that someone like you, who clearly has no idea whatsoever about naval matters is even commenting on this.
What is not so comical is the fire aboard Chicoutimi that killed a young Lieutenant. A big part of that fire was the dodgy electrical wiring that was installed in her (but not her sisters, that came from a different yard). Some British "I'm alright, Jack" skimmer wired her with crap. They had to complete gut her and "bring her up to North American wiring standards" after that fire.
Submarines are wet places. Splash through a hatch should not be enough to set one on fire. It happens on a little vessel that is low-to-the-water in a big sea and a submarine of all things, should not go all to pieces when it happens.
British wiring ...remember the Lucas? The Prince of Darkness?
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I find it quite comical that someone like you, who clearly has no idea whatsoever about naval matters is even commenting on this.
What is not so comical is the fire aboard Chicoutimi that killed a young Lieutenant. A big part of that fire was the dodgy electrical wiring that was installed in her (but not her sisters, that came from a different yard). Some British "I'm alright, Jack" skimmer wired her with crap. They had to complete gut her and "bring her up to North American wiring standards" after that fire.
Submarines are wet places. Splash through a hatch should not be enough to set one on fire. It happens on a little vessel that is low-to-the-water in a big sea and a submarine of all things, should not go all to pieces when it happens.
British wiring ...remember the Lucas? The Prince of Darkness?
A fire caused by its hapless Canadian sailors leaving a hatch open.
Just you Canadians trying to blame the British for your own naval incompetence.
You mean the standards that see a warship break down after 20 days?
GLASGOW -- One of the chief refitters of HMCS Chicoutimi said the submarine had a revamped electrical system and was in prime condition when it was handed over to the Canadians three days before an electrical fire crippled the vessel and killed a crew member.
The electrical space located on the second deck of HMCS Chicoutimi.
"There was nothing wrong with the boat," Ken Collins, who managed logistics on the warship's refit for BAE Systems, said from his home in Barrow-in-Furness in northern England.
After 10 years in mothballs, wires and circuit boxes that needed to be replaced "were replaced with brand-new equipment," he added.
And new cables were installed where the Canadians replaced British equipment with their own.
The warship was kept in show-room condition during the years it sat along a dock in southern England, said Collins, who disputes Canadian and British media reports that the refit was a logistical nightmare.
"Power to the boat was kept on all of the time in case someone was interested in looking at her," he said.
Some of warship's parts were cannabalized in order to get its sister ships up and running.
But in its former incarnation as HMS Upholder, the Chicoutimi was known to have a variety of electrical problems.
One famous incident saw the crew slam the engines into reverse during underwater sea trials only to lose all power.
The ship's diesel engines were originally designed for use in railway locomotives, and were not intended to be rapidly stopped and started, the Royal Navy concluded.
The submarine, which was designed to be highly automated, also suffered from spontaneous flooding in what's called the forward torpedo room.
Collins said all of the flaws were corrected.
And the former Royal Navy submariner had a theory on what might have happened aboard the Chicoutimi.
In order to cause the kind of fire that befell the sub, he said, an electrical panel box would needed to have been left open at the precise instant sea water came splashing down the decks of the submarine.
Another veteran Royal Navy engineer, who sailed on the vessel when it was still the Upholder, agreed.
The electrical panel box could have either been active, causing a fire instantly, or the water could have hit a dead box that short-circuited the moment it was re-energized, said Ron Hiseman, 49.
"If the box was off, once they hit the switch, she could've gone bang," said the 24-year naval veteran who also oversaw the construction of the boat.
Marine engineers have suggested another possible cause for the kind of short circuit and fire, which crippled the boat north of Ireland on Oct. 5, would be a massive number of loose connections - or grounded faults.
The navy said Thursday in Ottawa that water did seep into the vessel as it plowed through rough seas.
But the military refused to draw a link between the highly conductive sea water and the electrical fire.
The Spectree of Uncolntrollable Electrical Fire in the confined spaces of a submarine or airliner
They were experienced submariners, Junior and they left the hatch open for ventilation because their long experience told them that it was safe to do so. Little did they know that it was wired like a bungalow. ( Perhaps, that is one of the reasons why the RN mothballed then?)A fire caused by its hapless Canadian sailors leaving a hatch open.
Just you Canadians trying to blame the British for your own naval incompetence.
You mean the standards that see a warship break down after 20 days?
BTW, your comment about them being the best diesel boats in the world? The Germans make the best diesel subs in the world. They have a long tradition of doing so, as well.
The same applies to their tanks. The British design the worst automobiles an the road (with electrical systems that are a planetary joke) Who would want one of their tanks? The Germans make the best ones. Go no further! They even still name them after kitty cats, all these decades later.
You'd believe the "Used Submarine Lot" salesman? Have I got a deal for you! It's so good, I wouldn't give it to my own brother!
The slider is just abdicating responsibility. British industry ...another oxymoron.
The slider is just abdicating responsibility. British industry ...another oxymoron.
GLASGOW -- One of the chief refitters of HMCS Chicoutimi said the submarine had a revamped electrical system and was in prime condition when it was handed over to the Canadians three days before an electrical fire crippled the vessel and killed a crew member.
The electrical space located on the second deck of HMCS Chicoutimi.
After 10 years in mothballs, wires and circuit boxes that needed to be replaced "were replaced with brand-new equipment," he added.
And new cables were installed where the Canadians replaced British equipment with their own.
The warship was kept in show-room condition during the years it sat along a dock in southern England, said Collins, who disputes Canadian and British media reports that the refit was a logistical nightmare.
The Spectree of Uncolntrollable Electrical Fire in the confined spaces of a submarine or airliner
The electrical space located on the second deck of HMCS Chicoutimi.
"There was nothing wrong with the boat," Ken Collins, who managed logistics on the warship's refit for BAE Systems, said from his home in Barrow-in-Furness in northern England.
After 10 years in mothballs, wires and circuit boxes that needed to be replaced "were replaced with brand-new equipment," he added.
And new cables were installed where the Canadians replaced British equipment with their own.
The warship was kept in show-room condition during the years it sat along a dock in southern England, said Collins, who disputes Canadian and British media reports that the refit was a logistical nightmare.
The Spectree of Uncolntrollable Electrical Fire in the confined spaces of a submarine or airliner
Nope. Sorry, but the Canadians are. If you're not setting fire to your naval craft you're ramming them into other vessels.
Come off it. Britain invented the tank and British tanks have been amongst the best, if not THE best, tanks in the world. Look at the Challenger 2, one of the most heavily armoured and best protected tanks in the world.
British cars are better than the second-rate North American hulks. We gave the world Mini, Aston Martin and Jaguar. North American cars are ugly and poorly built.
German tanks are crap. They kept breaking down during WWII.