The term "separation of Church and Gov" means something different than many believe. It means Church won't be the Gov. It doesn't mean that Gov can't use Church belief or systems within Gov.
US judge changes baby's name from Messiah to Martin
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She didnt cite any law. Mason is also a title and the name of one of this person's kids.
She stated that it is a title.
The fact of the matter is, there are naming conventions backing up her reasoning for striking 'Messiah' from the name she was being asked to decide on for him.
U.S. Law Name Requirements
Fortunately, in the U.S. there are no laws that inhibit parents from naming their children whatever they so choose; or for that matter, no laws stopping an adult from changing his or her name to whatever he or she so chooses. The U.S. merely requires that each person have a name so that person can be clearly identified from another person. Each state varies in the amount of time a parent has to fill out and return the birth registration form.
However, just because there is no law restricting the name you choose to call your child that doesn't mean you should go ahead and christen him or her Mac Google or Cherry Coke or Dallas Mavericks or Emeril or Obama or Mater or Michael Jackson or any other pop icon, technology of the times or brand name.
While a person can have the same name of a famous person (dead or alive) or brand name it might cause difficulties for that person with such a name if there is scandal surrounding that brand or celebrity. There could even be issues with things as simple as trying to get an email address or social security card, etc. What may seem funny, ironic or representative of certain ideals or trends at the time of naming the child may not be appreciated by the so-named child as he or she grows to childhood, puberty and adulthood.
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While looking this up......
I found a site on the subject.... who's header should be interesting to a member here ;-)
8 Countries With Fascinating Baby Naming Laws | Mental Floss
Fortunately, in the U.S. there are no laws that inhibit parents from naming their children whatever they so choose; or for that matter, no laws stopping an adult from changing his or her name to whatever he or she so chooses. The U.S. merely requires that each person have a name so that person can be clearly identified from another person. Each state varies in the amount of time a parent has to fill out and return the birth registration form.
However, just because there is no law restricting the name you choose to call your child that doesn't mean you should go ahead and christen him or her Mac Google or Cherry Coke or Dallas Mavericks or Emeril or Obama or Mater or Michael Jackson or any other pop icon, technology of the times or brand name.
While a person can have the same name of a famous person (dead or alive) or brand name it might cause difficulties for that person with such a name if there is scandal surrounding that brand or celebrity. There could even be issues with things as simple as trying to get an email address or social security card, etc. What may seem funny, ironic or representative of certain ideals or trends at the time of naming the child may not be appreciated by the so-named child as he or she grows to childhood, puberty and adulthood.
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While looking this up......
I found a site on the subject.... who's header should be interesting to a member here ;-)
8 Countries With Fascinating Baby Naming Laws | Mental Floss
Exactly, mon ami. TN gov't cannot use a belief, regardless of the numbers of its adherents to influence a gov't decision. This judge is as good as a lawyer for the Sharia.
Family law judges use their personal moral code to make all manner of decisions. She was told to decide this kid's name.
Honestly, have you never heard names you'd change if you could? I'd change Messiah too, not for religious reasons, just, common sense ones. I also have, on the list of names I'd change for kids I know, if it were my right..... 'Bane', and 'Kale'.
There was no link in the OP but using google I found that the parents had an argument over the last name....The judge went beyond what was asked of her .....non?
Oops....found the link....didn't spot the different colour of the link
Ah, so they can buck the law. Interesting.
You bet.
I'd have never named one of mine that in the first place.
An old time friend of the family refused to be known as "Glendine" so she completely ignored anyone who called her that. So, even to sports officials, she was known as "Snooky". She slacked off a bit as she got older. (Vernon Museum and Archives).
We never gave my daughter a middle name. No issues so far, when people ask how they are supposed to know who she is from the other's with the same name she says "I'm the one with no middle name."
Don't forget about Dweezil.
Funny you should say that. I mean WLDB? Was kinda hoping it was an acronym.
I'm sure it is, I always thought it sounded like radio station call letters though, lol.
WLDB-Easy Rock
Absolutely, personal taste and legal opinion are two completely different things. I'm betting Mom wins that one on appeal.
Even the judges are crazy in Jesus Land USA she should mind her own business
the family should take the issue to a higher court. This is really too much and it
makes you wonder why these people want to be taken seriously
the family should take the issue to a higher court. This is really too much and it
makes you wonder why these people want to be taken seriously
I guess it just seems dumb to me from start to finish, so anything the judge comes up with is, well, bound to not be nearly as moronic as the parents.
I think there's more than enough "moronic" to go around in this case.
But since being stupid isn't illegal, the judge was out of line. Just my opinion.
Francophone Canadians have the right idea.....I have four names to pick on my birth certificate....and different documents such as health cad, driver's license use different names for initials ....thank goodness we're defined by numbers instead of names :lol:
Okay, that's kind of mental, and I'm not sure why, but somehow it doesn't surprise me that such could be the case in Quebec.
In any case, the reason I launched the OP was because of something that I thought was ironic about what is supposed to be the difference between the judicial system of the States versus Canada.
Specifically, I thought American judges were bound by "Civil Code", wherein, even when their common-sense knows that a particular decision might be unfair, if a lawyer can make a logical deduction from the premises of existing law, then the judge has to accept that deduction... plus it gets further bound by a requirement to follow precedents (personally I think obligation to precedents is insanely dangerous... it's a roundabout through-the-back-door way for judges to become legislators of laws that cannot be changed).
Canada is supposed to be judged by "Common Law", which means a judge evaluates a case according to the social and moral expectations of the people according to the standards of the day.
What that means is, technically, in Canada a judge is supposed to have the right to do something like overturn a kid's name and force a renaming, whereas, technically, in the US, a judge is supposed to judge strictly according to the law, regardless of common sense.
Because the judge was American, the only way I can see her getting away with it would be if there's a precedent, perhaps her state only, allowing for a judge to force a renaming, so if I was the lawyer for the appeal, the first thing I'd look for is a precedent, such that if none exists, then I'd insist the original decision be tossed out.
Not that I can't see the original judge's point: Would *you* want to live with a name where the abreviated nickname is Messy?
Something I've noticed about the States versus Canada is that in the US there's lots more people with hippy parents who got names like Harmony, Rainbow, Thunder, etc. I even met a family where the four kids were named Spring, Summer, Autumn, and Winter...
... I'm guessing the mother was using marijuana medically when she delivered.
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First, the U.S. is a common-law country.
Second, your definition of the common law is. . . bizarre. Not without some truth, mind, but weird.
Second, your definition of the common law is. . . bizarre. Not without some truth, mind, but weird.
Hmm... okay... that's not what I read, and it worked in a negotiation with some Chicago lawyers, but I guess I need to dig a bit deeper, which I will now do since you made your statement, but, if you've got a link that cuts to the chase, that would be nice.
What's so weird about it?
In any case, and since we're on the topic... what are your feelings about judges being obligated to "precedents"?