US in deep trouble for killing 60 children!!

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No Scott--Nazi Germany lost and Goering told you loud and clear that "MIGHT is RIGHT. But you knew that! Look at Israel's behaviour.
 

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You seem to be enjoying it. America is your existence. You are obsessed with the good Ol' USA!

Yes, I enjoy seeing just about everywhere I turn these days of the US's bullsh*t actions and selfish objectives at the hands of those they can take advantage from, be by force or through lies and other oppression..... I enjoy seeing your country sticking it's sh*t coated fingers into every situations arse on the planet and twisting to make things in the world seem worse then they are within your own borders..... if the US simply vanished today, I sure as hell won't be shedding any tears over it.

If there is any obession, it's due to your country and it's ignorant ways being the worst threat at present the rest of the world faces..... it would be completely stupid to just ignore something like that.... but I guess that works just fine for you and the rest of the Americans who don't seem to be able to understand just how much sh*t you've brought everybody else.

Everyday that goes by, you guys create more and more enemies..... and that sure as hell ain't my fault. Then again, the typical Amercian attitude these days is never accepting responsibility.... just pass it off and blame someone else..... so I wouldn't be suprised if this is all some how my fault. :roll:
 
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And some Canadians relish in news like this. They LOVE hearing it. They gloat over all these postings when they appear. The gush in happiness and joy at the misery of others and look forward to more stories like these.

We do, because the more of these reports make the rounds, the more people learn about them, the more it adds up, the more people begin to hate your guts, and the greater chance there will be more people to gradually take action against your screwed up country.... as you guys clearly don't have the brains to do it yourself apparently....

.... instead all you guys do is avoid the facts and reality, and get all absorbed into a soap opera election, where the biggest concern is the colour of the next president's skin..... and if it's gonna be black, chances are there'll be Americans lining up to take their shots at him..... all the while still ignoring just how screwed up you guys really are and what you're doing to other soverign nations.

But once again, I suppose that's everybody else's fault somehow.
 

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You obviously don't watch too much US television!

Yeah...the intention was "child murder". It's all hype anyways...and you eat it up. Enjoy!

You know you like this stuff.

Hype my ass.... whenever it has to do with the US screwing something up, it's always downplayed..... while the rest of the world continues to show the film/footage, reports, witnesses.... at the same time your own reports and news question the facts and tell the watcher that it's being looked into.

I seriously don't think it matters if you guys look into it or not, nobody will ever get the truth from you guys anyways..... and besides, it probably doesn't even need to be confirmed by you guys..... exactly how many of these reports hit the news every month? How many involve US Forces doing the deed? How many are done by other countries?

The majority are done by you guys, and it's pretty hard to refuse this fact.

You guys lose one or two soldiers, so then in a fit of revenge you air strike an entire village and drop the excuse that the enemy was hiding behind civilians and it was their fault you bombed the hell out of them......

.... yeah that might make sense in your screwed up mentality down there, it doesn't with the rest of the world which knows how to think properly.
 
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It's one of the tragic realities of this kind of war that innocent people die. If the enemy truly was as brave as he portrays himself, he would make himself identifiable from a non combattant. The Allies wear uniforms. To hide among innocents shows the value Taliban place on people they want to win over. In the OP, some of these children are listed as being up to 16. Why are they children when they die by Allied hands, but they are men when they fight for the Cause?

It's really not much different from when the Americans invented Guerilla Warfare against the British during the revolutionary war. The British didn't know how to combat that form of fighting, as they were used to sending rows apon rows of soldiers to attack at point blank, while the Americans hid in the bushes and trees and picked off officers...... they were out numbered and out gunned.... and if they fought the way the British wanted them to fight, they would have surly losed pretty quickly.

Oh, but now the shoes on the other foot, and the "Enemy" is using a tactic the US isn't used to, so they ignore their own history and just blanket the whole area with bombs as a quick solution and blame the enemy for causing the situation, because it's easier.

At least our forces will drop leaflets to warn of an attack on a village, give civilians a chance to flee, and then move in.... killing anybody holding a weapon..... you don't need a uniform to know someone is the enemy when they're pointing an AK at you.

But then again, when you drop bombs, from that distance, I suppose they all look the same. :roll:

Seems to me the US traded their brains in for technology.
 

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How come you and I know that but these other people are lost in their unauthentic world of contradictions and miserable excuses?

I realize many sociologists understand what is happening. Maybe it's just laziness coupled with ignorance?

Hey the moment our country starts wars on unfounded claims and lies, and totally disregards civilian life in exchange for saving some time, I'll be right up there with you. Until then......
 

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No it isn't.

I know it's a big shock but... not everything is about America 8O

And... this is a big one... some people in the western world still see "other people" as human like themselves.

I know, I know, O'reilly would be shocked but it's true EagleSmack... and they aren't "pin heads" but real human beings that haven't been completely manipulated into sociopaths yet.

And, because Canada still has a functioning democracy, what we all think does actually matter. Not much, I admit, but a little non the less.

Agreed... however I guess downplaying the truth in these situations makes it easier for him to sleep at night..... either that or he himself loves hearing about it in the news, and does help him sleep at night, knowing a few more "rag heads" are dead, which is why he can joke about the whole thing.....

yeah.... HA HA HA..... very funny.... we'll be seeing who's laughing soon enough.
 

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Isn't that what this thread is about? Isn't that why it was started?

No, get a clue... it was to bring this situation to the publics' eye... to make sure this doesn't simply get swept under the carpet again like many other situations as just being "Part of War" ~ Well how many more times does this have to happen before it becomes genocide, war crimes, or ethnic cleansing? How many more times does it have to happen before you guys clue the hell in and go "Gee.... maybe killing everybody, enemy and innocent, isn't helping our cause and the war? Gee..... suddenly we have an even bigger enemy, with more recruits and even more waiting to join up to shoot our soldiers....... Gee.... maybe if we started to actually protect civilians and try not to use them as target practice...... perhaps we might have less people hating us over there."

No.... that'd just be too simple now wouldn't it..... oh, and it'd ruin all your fun.

You know..... so long as you're fighting them "Over There" they're not "Over Here" ~ Which of course helps make it not as real to the public's eye and so you can get away with even more.

I would say pretty much EVERY American thinks of that a number of times a day. It is taught to us in our crappy schools in between shootings. It is required in our elementary schools, middle schools, high schools and secondary education... How to Murder Rape and Get Rich!... most popular course actually.

And it's probably true.... They teach you in school that it's cheaper for the government to not fund the schools, the teachers tell you you have no future unless you join the army or drop out of school, join a gang, deal drugs, rape women, pop caps in other people's asses who don't give ya props....... and if you get shot 9 times and live, you get a record deal, even if you suck..... worked for 50Cent didn't it?

That's the american dream these days.... The World is Yours.... Take what you want, and if you can't get it, shoot them and pry it from the cold dead hands of the person who wouldn't give it to you.

Good point. Which is why the thread was most likely started...to make others feel good about themselves that have a hard time coming to grips with who they are.

I already know who I am, and I already know what my country has done, is doing, and perhaps will be doing in the near distant future, and none of it compares to the list of BS you're country has done.

Like I said.... our country should pull out of there and leave the whole situation to the US..... they seem to have it all under control, what with the mass bombings and rampant gun rages by soldiers hyped up on amphetamines..... how can we compare to that.....

.... Oh wait I know.... we could always line up about 30 children and run them all over in our APC's..... no wait, we need 60 to match this report..... and throw their parents under our wheels after they watched their children get killed.... there, then we might be on par.... for this situation at least.

I love how people try and downplay 60 cildren (Amongst many more civilians) being killed, by trying to say Canada and other nations in NATO are just as guilty for this or similar situations.....
 

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Your perspective is not necessarilly the same as non Americans Smack. You are a citizen of the most powerfull nation on earth. You seem to be unaware of what that has done to your thinking.
Progress for Americans will be difficult to say the least a near certain impossibility. Some of us don't gloat as much as you think Smack, the repercussions of American collapse will be far reaching and revolutionary. When the mighty fall thier victims always dance and sing, nobody will lament your passing. You have, as a nation, made your own bed and there is virtually nothing you can do as a people to avoid the ramifications of your actions. You have allowed the capitalists to much rope, now they own you. When Goliath fell to Davids stone there was jubalation in the nation.

And it certainly isn't all to do with direct gloating for me.... it 99% has to do with our own troops being over there..... what your idiotic military does when it screws up, directly affects our troops and other NATO forces fighting over there.... no matter how much we try and get things right over there, it only takes you morons one or two situations like this to screw it all up and give us even more people to fight and more of our own troops to die in the process, all for the US's stupid fk'n war.

Once again, it's not all about the US.... I wouldn't give a sh*t what you guys did over there if our troops wern't over there as well..... and that also goes for the other NATO nations as well..... we all have to suffer from your nations own stupidity and ignorance.
 

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Unfortunately his term will be over before anything comes with the petition..

Maybe Charge Bush with War Crimes buttons would be more appropriate.

But doing either would send a message to the world that they "Were Wrong!" *Gasp!* They can't have that happen.

And also, when I looked into the details as to why there hasn't been an impeachment or charges or war crimes, it has everything to do with those who can make it happen, being linked in allowing Bush to do these things, and they could not only lose their jobs in office, their fancy paycheques, but could also mean they face charges as well...... and nobody down there in the US government wants to bite the bullet first..... Once again.... no one willing to accept responsibility for their own actions. But ignoring it, still won't make it go away.... karmas' a bitch.
 

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I would love to hear peoples opinions of how you should deal with an enemy that uses human shields.

So, lets say I tell you I am going to murder 2 million people, but if you try and stop me I'll make sure 4 million die.

Whats your solution?
 

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I would love to hear peoples opinions of how you should deal with an enemy that uses human shields.

Do what our forces currently are doing in Afghanistan. Warn the village of the upcoming attack, give them a chance to flee the area, and those left are potiential enemies. Even if the enemy leaves the village during this time, that would mean we can easily roll in with even less resistence and thus, they lose controlled territory. In past reports by our own forces, and in the news, lines of civilians are seen leaving with their belongings and the Taliban don't force them to stay as human shields.

Now why would they do this against us, but then use human shields against the US? Probably because the "Human Shield" Excuse works well when they want to level an entire area.... not to mention that the US seldom warns a village of an upcoming attack, and their excuse is normally "Well it would warn the enemy as well and they would flee" ~ So what? If you can control the area easier, push them out faster, reduce civilian casualties, and remove their bases of attack, all the while leaving much of the civilian's village intact for the civilians to return to.... then isn't it worth it?

I guess not for some.

So, lets say I tell you I am going to murder 2 million people, but if you try and stop me I'll make sure 4 million die.

Whats your solution?

Go in with a special forces unit with a couple of snipers and blow your brains out when you pass the window.... far better then bombing the whole area and guessing if you killed them or not.

Then again, by your own explained situation, if we don't stop you, 2 million die.... if we try or do stop you, 4 million die, so logically doing nothing would save more lives and if I bombed your arse to the stone ages, I would have by my own actions, killed many innocent civilians around you, along with you, and you would have still killed 4 million more people, thereby blood would be on both hands, and I wouldn't be any better then you.

The ends never justify the means, ever.... when people hold their actions to those beliefs, then there is no stopping just how evil one can get, so long as their belief in their ends are met, even when their means outweigh any benifits of those ends.... see Iraq..... and soon.... see Afghanistan.
 

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The truth is, if the village is warned of an impending attack, Taliban knows either at the same time, or a few moments later. Nobody will run. The severed feet of a few will discourage most and the few bravest will die in some other brutal means that makes an AK 47 death dance sound like the macarina. The village is left to be blasted from above, or to deny the existence of a hidden enemy as Allied soldiers do a ground search. Inevitably, some clue is found. No matter which scenario plays out, the whole village pays the price.

Did anyone villainize the Resistance because retributuion was dispenced upon whole Frence villages by an ego-bruised occupant force?
 
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Do what our forces currently are doing in Afghanistan. Warn the village of the upcoming attack, give them a chance to flee the area, and those left are potiential enemies. Even if the enemy leaves the village during this time, that would mean we can easily roll in with even less resistence and thus, they lose controlled territory. In past reports by our own forces, and in the news, lines of civilians are seen leaving with their belongings and the Taliban don't force them to stay as human shields.

So you easily roll in? Now what? Now you in point blank range of their soldiers when they come in at the same time as the civilians. If you return fire, you STILL mangle civilians. Those lines of civilians you see INCLUDE taliban. The Taliban aren't stupid. They go where the shields go. If you stick around while the civilians come back, they come back too, and shoot you.

They aren't retarded, and while they are willing to die to kill you, they aren't willing to die just for target practice.

Now why would they do this against us, but then use human shields against the US? Probably because the "Human Shield" Excuse works well when they want to level an entire area.... not to mention that the US seldom warns a village of an upcoming attack, and their excuse is normally "Well it would warn the enemy as well and they would flee" ~ So what? If you can control the area easier, push them out faster, reduce civilian casualties, and remove their bases of attack, all the while leaving much of the civilian's village intact for the civilians to return to.... then isn't it worth it?

Well then you haven't solved anything. They go with the civilians, if you stay there, they return with the civilians and kill you as you are now in range of them, and you still can't return fire. If you leave and move on, they just come back with everyone else.

There is a reason that combatants are treated as criminals and executed if they are caught outside of uniforms.

I guess not for some.

Some people like to deal with an issue rather than push it back and forth pointlessly while you suck up landmines.


Go in with a special forces unit with a couple of snipers and blow your brains out when you pass the window.... far better then bombing the whole area and guessing if you killed them or not.
Well, in the magic land of make believe special forces troopers are all super elite and have no problem pulling this off day in day out.

If the military were infallible, then you wouldn't have missiles that go off target and hit civilians.

Special ops forces have their own blunders, wrongful killings, etc that get their own condemnation AND they risk your own mens lives to a far greater degree.

Then again, by your own explained situation, if we don't stop you, 2 million die.... if we try or do stop you, 4 million die, so logically doing nothing would save more lives and if I bombed your arse to the stone ages, I would have by my own actions, killed many innocent civilians around you, along with you, and you would have still killed 4 million more people, thereby blood would be on both hands, and I wouldn't be any better then you.

Very true, so you stand by and let someone be murdered. Except thats never been the way humans operate. If I go to the police and say "Im going to murder 2 people, and your gonna let me otherwise I'll murder 4", they don't sit back and let you murder 2 people.

Because then everyone would do it, and no one would be safe. People have to make stands.


The ends never justify the means, ever.... when people hold their actions to those beliefs, then there is no stopping just how evil one can get, so long as their belief in their ends are met, even when their means outweigh any benifits of those ends.... see Iraq..... and soon.... see Afghanistan.

But the ends ALWAYS justify the means. Everything in our day to day life is run by that belief.

When we go through something as simple as punishing a criminal, we cause that person to have a worse quality of life because it results in a better quality of life for everyone else.

We send an officer to arrest him, knowing he might attack and kill the officer, because if we don't, things will only get worse.

Hell even self-defence is the ends justifying the means, you kill someone because if you don't you die.

Human civilization is built upon the ends justifying the means.
 

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I would love to hear peoples opinions of how you should deal with an enemy that uses human shields.

So, lets say I tell you I am going to murder 2 million people, but if you try and stop me I'll make sure 4 million die.

Whats your solution?

Why would you assume a bunch of people tying to defend their homes, families and countries are using civilians as shields? They don't have uniforms, a command structure, or backing of any kind. They are just trying to stop an imperial force.

It is the aggressors who paint them as cowards for defending their homes; it is the aggressor that thinks these people should group in the streets for mass execution. They are barely organized groups of men trying to defend their homes and country. From day to day their numbers grow as more men pick up guns motivated by the latest round of civilian casualties.

When children are killed it is because the imperialists have found someone in their home not because they are hiding behind children. It is because the imperialists have nations of morons that will chug down any propaganda swill thrown their way.

We are a nation of ignorant swine that feed at the trough of TV.

We kill children because that is what we want to do. We then blame the victims for fighting in their own streets, from their buildings, for defending their country.

I'm ashamed to be Canadian. We are a nation of morons.

Our army is purging their country and your too stupid to see it. We kill carelessly because it flushes out anyone with any decency.

Let me ask you this question: Why would they use children as shields anyway? It doesn't slow down our butchering in the least, so why are you so dumb as to think that is what is happening?

Using children as shields would only work if we gave a **** about killing children. We don't. So your theory is full of $h!t.
 
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