First thing I thought when I saw the title was "oh, they're finally coming back to do some maintenance on the railroad."
Up to 2,000 Chinese miners on their way to BC
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First thing I thought when I saw the title was "oh, they're finally coming back to do some maintenance on the railroad."
Chinese labour has been and is currently here. This isn't new. There is a skilled labour shortage and these types of projects with permit labour will be the norm. It's no different than a Canadian mining company going to Mexico with Canadian skilled labour using Mexican unskilled labour and setting up shop until the unskilled are skilled. Good luck working your way into mgt though.
The precedent is being established of bringing in foreign labor. This is just the beginning. The precedent will be used in the future by Canadian corporations. There is a slippery slope on which Canadian labor is now embarked.
What matters is what is cost effective from the standpoint of big business. But this works to the detriment of Canadian labor. Chinese workers are less expensive than Canadian workers. Business seeks comparative advantage...and the consequences be damned.
What is most important? Opinions differ. Is Walmart the paradigm for the treatment of Canadian labor?
It's one thing to import Chinese to fill high tech jobs that can't be filled by Canadian labor. But bringing in Chinese miners under the guise of them having special skills seems like a farce to me. Canadians could be trained to do this work without bringing in the Han on a wholesale basis. This establishes a new precedent in my opinion. You may be right, but I don't think so.
I don't know if you're being sarcastic, but it is a good point. These are exactly the kind of people the government wants and could easily stay if they played their cards right.
I wasn't being sarcastic, but I could see the humour within the context of this thread.
Table 5:
Summary of International Mining Fatal Incidents from Coal Mines
UndergroundOpen Cut UnknownTotal
Australia 919 86 0 1005
China 2565 0 0 2565
France 1060 0 0 1060
Germany 299 0 0 299
India 1053 0 0 1053
Japan 1465 0 0 1465
New Zealand 63 5 13 81
Russia 147 0 0 147
South Africa 437 0 0 437
Ukraine 244 0 0 244
United Kingdom 1598 6 4 1608
United States of America 1315 152 93 1560
Yugoslavia 195 0 0 195
Zimbabwe 427 0 0 427
UndergroundOpen Cut UnknownTotal
Australia 919 86 0 1005
China 2565 0 0 2565
France 1060 0 0 1060
Germany 299 0 0 299
India 1053 0 0 1053
Japan 1465 0 0 1465
New Zealand 63 5 13 81
Russia 147 0 0 147
South Africa 437 0 0 437
Ukraine 244 0 0 244
United Kingdom 1598 6 4 1608
United States of America 1315 152 93 1560
Yugoslavia 195 0 0 195
Zimbabwe 427 0 0 427
11787 249 110 12146
If you bring your pregnant wife and she gives birth to a shiny new Canadian, there is a chance of staying otherwise there is no loophole to stay.
BC Gov't Investigates Recruitment Charges for Chinese Miners
The British Columbian government is investigating after a Tyee report found that an employment agency based in the province was charging miners in China $12,500 each for the opportunity to work in Canadian mines.
The investigation comes after the Tyee posed as a Chinese miner looking for work in Canada and was told a $4,700 fee upfront followed by an additional $7,700 in fees to be paid off over a 20-month period to a recruitment agency were required to get a job.
"No one can charge a fee to a person to help that person find a job or provide information about prospective jobs," said the ministry. "Foreign workers cannot be required to pay for immigration assistance as a condition of being placed in a job."
They also said a foreign worker cannot be required to pay back any costs the employer paid to an employment agency or anyone else to recruit the worker.
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The Tyee – BC Gov't Investigates Recruitment Charges for Chinese Miners
The British Columbian government is investigating after a Tyee report found that an employment agency based in the province was charging miners in China $12,500 each for the opportunity to work in Canadian mines.
The investigation comes after the Tyee posed as a Chinese miner looking for work in Canada and was told a $4,700 fee upfront followed by an additional $7,700 in fees to be paid off over a 20-month period to a recruitment agency were required to get a job.
"No one can charge a fee to a person to help that person find a job or provide information about prospective jobs," said the ministry. "Foreign workers cannot be required to pay for immigration assistance as a condition of being placed in a job."
They also said a foreign worker cannot be required to pay back any costs the employer paid to an employment agency or anyone else to recruit the worker.
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The Tyee – BC Gov't Investigates Recruitment Charges for Chinese Miners
WTF!! We can't take a bus to downtown Vancouver Hasting street and pickup 2000 welfare bums to do this work.. and if they refuse, cut their welfare off..
Why do we import immigrants, when we should go to the Social Services Dept. for several provinces and ask for able bodied workers.
If they refuse to take the job.. then refuse to give them any more assistance..
Also, we need to do the same as in the USA, drug test these bums.. if you have drugs in your system, you're kicked from the system.
I'm so tired of our tax payers money going to lazy, drug addicted bums.. we need to clean up the system and put these losers to work.
Why do we import immigrants, when we should go to the Social Services Dept. for several provinces and ask for able bodied workers.
If they refuse to take the job.. then refuse to give them any more assistance..
Also, we need to do the same as in the USA, drug test these bums.. if you have drugs in your system, you're kicked from the system.
I'm so tired of our tax payers money going to lazy, drug addicted bums.. we need to clean up the system and put these losers to work.
Miners Could Have Been Trained Here Easily
Longwall coal mining is hardly the rare, elite skill politicians want us to believe
And despite the international controversy importing Chinese workers has created, Canadian Kailuan Dehua Mines -- a "co-partnership company" with HD Mining -- still has ads posted on the Mining Association of B.C. website looking for miners which state that: "Mandarin Chinese is definitely an asset" in getting hired at one of its planned B.C. coal mines.
There's no excuse for importing temporary foreign workers given that it has been well known since 2007 that Chinese coal companies were planning on developing mines in northeast B.C.
And in 2008 a provincial task force recommended creating a new underground miner-training program to deal with an expected shortage.
But unlike in the U.S., absolutely nothing was done in B.C. to meet that need.
Instead, the governments of both B.C. and Canada and have abdicated their responsibilities.
And now the Conservative federal government is about to ratify the Foreign Investment Promotion and Protection Agreement (FIPA) with China that will make such travesties even more common.
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The Tyee – Miners Could Have Been Trained Here Easily
Longwall coal mining is hardly the rare, elite skill politicians want us to believe
And despite the international controversy importing Chinese workers has created, Canadian Kailuan Dehua Mines -- a "co-partnership company" with HD Mining -- still has ads posted on the Mining Association of B.C. website looking for miners which state that: "Mandarin Chinese is definitely an asset" in getting hired at one of its planned B.C. coal mines.
There's no excuse for importing temporary foreign workers given that it has been well known since 2007 that Chinese coal companies were planning on developing mines in northeast B.C.
And in 2008 a provincial task force recommended creating a new underground miner-training program to deal with an expected shortage.
But unlike in the U.S., absolutely nothing was done in B.C. to meet that need.
Instead, the governments of both B.C. and Canada and have abdicated their responsibilities.
And now the Conservative federal government is about to ratify the Foreign Investment Promotion and Protection Agreement (FIPA) with China that will make such travesties even more common.
more
The Tyee – Miners Could Have Been Trained Here Easily
Mining jobs in Canada pay $50,000 - $100,000 and they can't find Cdns to do this sort of blue collar work? Can't train them either, even though this was in the works for 2 years. The corporate agenda is running amok here.
Plus, to ensure security of supply, China will pay a premium for energy in coal and oil. Our govts are selling the ctry short, as usual. Another good reason to cut immigration to 100,000 and cap temp workers to 25,000 a year.
Plus, to ensure security of supply, China will pay a premium for energy in coal and oil. Our govts are selling the ctry short, as usual. Another good reason to cut immigration to 100,000 and cap temp workers to 25,000 a year.
You've heard about the labour shortages in western canada haven't you? It's not because humans are lacking it's hard to find humans with balls to move from provinces with people who think they are priveledged.
That is part of the problem. But they did advertise looking for Mandarin speakers. Tough to qualify for many of us with that language requirement. This is a corporate sellout by our govts. Giving away high paying blue collar jobs to foreigners is simply pathetic.
Is it? I took the time to go over the stratigraphy of the ore body. No ****ing way in hell you'd catch me working in that unstable strata. If you want to, be my guest!
I'm a bit old to work in a mine, but young healthy people have to be encouraged to work in these places to make $4000+/mo. It is an outrage to give these jobs to foreingers.
You aren't too old to sit in a big comfy chair with joysticks running a skid steer by remote control in an air conditioned shack on surface or in a safe area underground are you? The pick and shovel day are loooooong gone. $4000? Are you kidding me? Try 10K - 12K a month. Miners get paid more than mine geologists.
And they still can't find Canadians to work there?!?!?!?! Smells like a scam going on here.