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Tecumsehsbones

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When Govt backed armed assholes kick in your door, beat the fuck out of you and you family, throw you to the street, burn down your house and bulldoze your orchard its terrorism.
Oh, right. I was going with the "war crimes" and "crimes against humanity" specified in the ICC warrant. As opposed to the "some asswit in Saskatchewan" charges.

Let's see if I can pull it all together. How's this?

"The International Criminal Court (ICC) has issued arrest warrants for Netanyahu and two other top Israeli officials, charging them with war crimes and crimes against humanity. Some Asswit in Saskatchewan (AIS) has issued nothing against them, but called them terrorists."
 

Ron in Regina

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When Govt backed armed assholes kick in your door, beat the fuck out of you and you family, throw you to the street, burn down your house and bulldoze your orchard its terrorism.
I think maybe we’re on the same page, but in different lanes here. It could be that simple.

Maybe, someday, some international body or group of nations (for the international qualifier) might label these four guys as terrorists, and then they might be know as internationally wanted terrorists, but I was just asking if that actually happened, or if that was just your opinion but stated as a fact. That’s it. That’s all.

In time, your statement might be accurate, but is it now (?) or are you just ahead of the curve like Leonardo da Vinci or Ford with the Edsel?
 

petros

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I think maybe we’re on the same page, but in different lanes here. It could be that simple.

Maybe, someday, some international body or group of nations (for the international qualifier) might label these four guys as terrorists, and then they might be know as internationally wanted terrorists, but I was just asking if that actually happened, or if that was just your opinion but stated as a fact. That’s it. That’s all.

In time, your statement might be accurate, but is it now (?) or are you just ahead of the curve like Leonardo da Vinci or Ford with the Edsel?
Ron, they'd love to but can't because...

That would be anti-semitic.

We both know it's terrorism. I don't need someone to tell me it's "settler violence" when it's terrorism.

If Hamas jumped the fence on Oct 7 beat up a kibbutz full of people possibly killing a few, kicked them to the curb, burned down everything and bulldozed the crops would it be terrorism or just violence?
 
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Tecumsehsbones

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I think maybe we’re on the same page, but in different lanes here. It could be that simple.

Maybe, someday, some international body or group of nations (for the international qualifier) might label these four guys as terrorists, and then they might be know as internationally wanted terrorists, but I was just asking if that actually happened, or if that was just your opinion but stated as a fact. That’s it. That’s all.

In time, your statement might be accurate, but is it now (?) or are you just ahead of the curve like Leonardo da Vinci or Ford with the Edsel?
Part of the problem is that there is no generally agreed definition of "terrorism." I think a good-enough stab at it is "illegal violence by non-state actors against innocent civilians to coerce governments into political changes." The terrorism is "state-sponsored" if it is substantially originated or facilitated by a state.
 

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Part of the problem is that there is no generally agreed definition of "terrorism." I think a good-enough stab at it is "illegal violence by non-state actors against innocent civilians to coerce governments into political changes." The terrorism is "state-sponsored" if it is substantially originated or facilitated by a state.
Ben-Gvir armed the settlers, IDF is doing the raids too so it is very much state sponsored terrorism. An IDF bulldozer pushing houses over is the IDF commiting terrorism.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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Ben-Gvir armed the settlers, IDF is doing the raids too so it is very much state sponsored terrorism. An IDF bulldozer pushing houses over is the IDF commiting terrorism.
That's state action, i.e., warfare, declared or undeclared.

Was it "terrorism" when we bombed Berlin, pretty much randomly? How about when we lit up nukes over two "civilian" cities?
 

Ron in Regina

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Part of the problem is that there is no generally agreed definition of "terrorism." I think a good-enough stab at it is "illegal violence by non-state actors against innocent civilians to coerce governments into political changes." The terrorism is "state-sponsored" if it is substantially originated or facilitated by a state.
In this instance, like Iran’s involvement in this whole goat rodeo then?
 

Ron in Regina

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"Illegal" according to what law?
Article 49 of the 4th Geneva Suggestions
The International Commission of Jurists and some other legal scholars saw the Israeli strikes as a violation of international law.
Article 2(4) of the UN Charter prohibits the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, with limited exceptions like self-defense.
The conflict is considered an escalation of decades-long animosity between Israel and Iran, including a proxy war, during which Iran challenged Israel's legitimacy and called for its destruction. It also follows more than a decade of international concern about Iran's nuclear program, which Israel considers an existential threat?

Is this “existential threat” the justification for self defence (?) twenty months into Israel’s fight against Iran’s proxies of Hamas and Houthis and Hezbollah and maybe some other non-state actors who’s names may start with the letter “H”? This on top of Iran’s challenging Israel's legitimacy and called for its destruction?
So. . . do you propose Security Council action, or just pissing and moaning on the internet?
Who has veto power there neutering the Security Council? Whom are the (I believe) five permanent non-elected members there again?
 

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The International Commission of Jurists and some other legal scholars saw the Israeli strikes as a violation of international law.

The conflict is considered an escalation of decades-long animosity between Israel and Iran, including a proxy war, during which Iran challenged Israel's legitimacy and called for its destruction. It also follows more than a decade of international concern about Iran's nuclear program, which Israel considers an existential threat?

Is this “existential threat” the justification for self defence (?) twenty months into Israel’s fight against Iran’s proxies of Hamas and Houthis and Hezbollah and maybe some other non-state actors who’s names may start with the letter “H”? This on top of Iran’s challenging Israel's legitimacy and called for its destruction?

Who has veto power there neutering the Security Council? Whom are the (I believe) five permanent non-elected members there again?
It wasn't a legitimate strike. In the same breath one could say Israel is a US proxy.
 
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