Unity & Equalization??

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Bloc Québécois leader scoffs at Alberta's equalization referendum, as Premier Kenney touts fight for fairness
The leader of the Bloc Québécois says he would propose a new equalization formula that would see provinces with higher greenhouse gas emissions pay more if the federal program were to be renegotiated.

When asked at a Wednesday news conference about Alberta’s equalization referendum, Yves-François Blanchet said if given the chance he would push for a “green equalization” model under which the province would have to contribute more than it currently does while jurisdictions with lower-than-average emissions would receive more money. I’d rather pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today, etc…

The general perception of the recent referendum on equalization is that it was all about Alberta and its resentment over contributing more to the program than it receives in return. But what it was really about was Quebec. If not for the $13 billion in annual payments that are directed to Quebec out of a pot of $21 billion, would Alberta be as eager to demand a change?

Quebec represents about 22 per cent of Canada’s population but gets 61 per cent of the equalization pot. As is often pointed out, it is not the biggest recipient on a per capita basis — Manitoba and three Atlantic provinces are ahead of it. But if Quebec was prosperous enough to be eliminated from the program, and the remaining pool of $8 billion was distributed to the four remaining “have-not” provinces, would equalization get nearly as much attention as it does among people looking for something to beef about?
Quebecers can counter, quite justifiably, that their annual payment is calculated by a formula devised by Ottawa. It’s hardly their fault if the numbers add up in their favour.

That might succeed in tempering the argument, except for one thing: in the 64 years since the formal introduction of the current program, Canada’s only majority French-speaking province has managed to position itself as a have-not province that needs annual equalization payments to support programs equal to those in richer provinces, while simultaneously asserting it is a sophisticated, modern society deserving of the status of nationhood that is capable of going it alone if need be.

So how is it that a strong, confident “nation” of 8.5 million, which is presumably self-sufficient enough to seriously ponder separation, can also lay claim to $13 billion a year from the rest of the country on the basis that it’s a “have-not” province that’s unable to keep up to national standards?

Blah blah blah viva la something or another….more at both links.
 

Ron in Regina

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Western Canada feels your pain & frustration there Quebec. There there…it’ll be ok. Maybe you can built your power transmission lines & towers East to West to BC or wherever instead of North to South as long as it’s not vetoed along the way?
 

Ron in Regina

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Nobody? Did I break the Internet?

Think of the arrant and arrogant dismissal of Alberta’s recent equalization referendum in contrast with Quebec’s declaration of French as its only official legislation. That was a brazen exception to Canadian bilingualism, but Quebec’s assertions were treated with respect and compliance. Alberta’s referendum, by contrast, was barely glanced at as an odd gesture from a poor and restive relative.
As some poor toad wrote at the time, Quebec is the only province that can unilaterally alter the Canadian Constitution it did not sign, and cozily receive at the same time billions in equalization payments it did not earn — monies that come principally from a province whose product it abjures, stymies and derogates? Meh… more at the above link.
 

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"Quebecers can counter, quite justifiably, that their annual payment is calculated by a formula devised by Ottawa. It’s hardly their fault if the numbers add up in their favour."
Bullshit. Federal transfers are based, at least in part, on provincial revenues. The Quebec govt has kept taxes, utility costs and fees at rates lower than most of the ROC thus intentionally reducing revenues while the ROC picks up the tab.

As for Quebec "independence", there's no call from Quebec for independence. What they want is sovereignty-association. Basically the equivalent of a teenager seeking their independence by moving out of their bedroom and moving down to mommy and daddy's basement while still leeching off of them. Their last bid for "independence" included such goodies like; continuing to use the Bank of Canada and Canadian currency, continued transfer payments of course, and most galling of all, continuing to have a say in Canada's affairs.
But Quebec won't separate. They know if they do the UN will immediately back ANY attempt by Quebec First Nations to form their own independent state(s) in Quebec. All it takes is 50% +1. And no that's not 51%, it's 50% plus 1 vote.
 

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Bloc Québécois leader scoffs at Alberta's equalization referendum, as Premier Kenney touts fight for fairness
The leader of the Bloc Québécois says he would propose a new equalization formula that would see provinces with higher greenhouse gas emissions pay more if the federal program were to be renegotiated.

When asked at a Wednesday news conference about Alberta’s equalization referendum, Yves-François Blanchet said if given the chance he would push for a “green equalization” model under which the province would have to contribute more than it currently does while jurisdictions with lower-than-average emissions would receive more money. I’d rather pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today, etc…

The general perception of the recent referendum on equalization is that it was all about Alberta and its resentment over contributing more to the program than it receives in return. But what it was really about was Quebec. If not for the $13 billion in annual payments that are directed to Quebec out of a pot of $21 billion, would Alberta be as eager to demand a change?

Quebec represents about 22 per cent of Canada’s population but gets 61 per cent of the equalization pot. As is often pointed out, it is not the biggest recipient on a per capita basis — Manitoba and three Atlantic provinces are ahead of it. But if Quebec was prosperous enough to be eliminated from the program, and the remaining pool of $8 billion was distributed to the four remaining “have-not” provinces, would equalization get nearly as much attention as it does among people looking for something to beef about?
Quebecers can counter, quite justifiably, that their annual payment is calculated by a formula devised by Ottawa. It’s hardly their fault if the numbers add up in their favour.

That might succeed in tempering the argument, except for one thing: in the 64 years since the formal introduction of the current program, Canada’s only majority French-speaking province has managed to position itself as a have-not province that needs annual equalization payments to support programs equal to those in richer provinces, while simultaneously asserting it is a sophisticated, modern society deserving of the status of nationhood that is capable of going it alone if need be.

So how is it that a strong, confident “nation” of 8.5 million, which is presumably self-sufficient enough to seriously ponder separation, can also lay claim to $13 billion a year from the rest of the country on the basis that it’s a “have-not” province that’s unable to keep up to national standards?

Blah blah blah viva la something or another….more at both links.
I would be open to researching the green house gas and Carbon emissions across Canada just to see the difference between O&G and Manufacturing, but a true comparison not discounting the exempt industries like cement plants and population.
 
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Ron in Regina

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I want a billion for every flooded hydro hectare.

Please reread the first couple of paragraphs in the opening post to this Thread. The Leader of the Bloc sounds like he’s willing to pony up (& maybe even some of Quebec’s own $$$ instead of handouts from Western Canada via Ottawa?) for this “Not as clean as it touted Hydo-Power” for its Carbon Footprint.

“After you Alphonse“….
 

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Bloc Québécois leader scoffs at Alberta's equalization referendum, as Premier Kenney touts fight for fairness
The leader of the Bloc Québécois says he would propose a new equalization formula that would see provinces with higher greenhouse gas emissions pay more if the federal program were to be renegotiated.

When asked at a Wednesday news conference about Alberta’s equalization referendum, Yves-François Blanchet said if given the chance he would push for a “green equalization” model under which the province would have to contribute more than it currently does while jurisdictions with lower-than-average emissions would receive more money. I’d rather pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today, etc…

The general perception of the recent referendum on equalization is that it was all about Alberta and its resentment over contributing more to the program than it receives in return. But what it was really about was Quebec. If not for the $13 billion in annual payments that are directed to Quebec out of a pot of $21 billion, would Alberta be as eager to demand a change?

Quebec represents about 22 per cent of Canada’s population but gets 61 per cent of the equalization pot. As is often pointed out, it is not the biggest recipient on a per capita basis — Manitoba and three Atlantic provinces are ahead of it. But if Quebec was prosperous enough to be eliminated from the program, and the remaining pool of $8 billion was distributed to the four remaining “have-not” provinces, would equalization get nearly as much attention as it does among people looking for something to beef about?
Quebecers can counter, quite justifiably, that their annual payment is calculated by a formula devised by Ottawa. It’s hardly their fault if the numbers add up in their favour.

That might succeed in tempering the argument, except for one thing: in the 64 years since the formal introduction of the current program, Canada’s only majority French-speaking province has managed to position itself as a have-not province that needs annual equalization payments to support programs equal to those in richer provinces, while simultaneously asserting it is a sophisticated, modern society deserving of the status of nationhood that is capable of going it alone if need be.

So how is it that a strong, confident “nation” of 8.5 million, which is presumably self-sufficient enough to seriously ponder separation, can also lay claim to $13 billion a year from the rest of the country on the basis that it’s a “have-not” province that’s unable to keep up to national standards?

Blah blah blah viva la something or another….more at both links.
So to be fair, if Kweebec wants a green based tax then imported oil that they love should be taxed at least double Canadian oil. After all there is a needless carbon stream half way around the world for them to get unethical foreign oil. Come to think of it, buying oil from oppressive regimes should have its own tax. Let's say 50% of the landed cost for starters.
 

Ron in Regina

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BC most likely. We have a good supply of them. Also no other power source so ripe for the pickin.
As long as ON or MB or SK or AB doesn’t object to the dirty Quebec power crossing through their sovereign pristine territory on the way to BC due to woke ethical principal ‘cuz woke ethics, while dumping raw sewage into the St Lawrence Seaway.

Can MB or SK or AB get raw sewage to the St Lawrence Seaway without a pipeline?

Environmentalists are outraged by a "preposterous" large sewage dump into the St. Lawrence River near Montreal and a "staggering" number of smaller, chronic sewage overflows throughout the year in Quebec?

They are calling on municipal and provincial governments to be more ambitious in their attempts to monitor and mitigate the release of toxic wastewater in waterways?

What’s repeated millions & millions of litres of raw sewage dumped into misc waterways worth in the new Green Equalization Tax that the Bloc Leader wants worth anyway???
 
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As long as ON or MB or SK or AB doesn’t object to the dirty Quebec power crossing through their sovereign pristine territory on the way to BC due to woke ethical principal ‘cuz woke ethics, while dumping raw sewage into the St Lawrence Seaway.

Can MB or SK or AB get raw sewage to the St Lawrence Seaway without a pipeline?

Environmentalists are outraged by a "preposterous" large sewage dump into the St. Lawrence River near Montreal and a "staggering" number of smaller, chronic sewage overflows throughout the year in Quebec?

They are calling on municipal and provincial governments to be more ambitious in their attempts to monitor and mitigate the release of toxic wastewater in waterways?

What’s repeated millions & millions of litres of raw sewage dumped into misc waterways worth in the new Green Equalization Tax that the Bloc Leader wants worth anyway???
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Bloc Québécois leader scoffs at Alberta's equalization referendum, as Premier Kenney touts fight for fairness
The leader of the Bloc Québécois says he would propose a new equalization formula that would see provinces with higher greenhouse gas emissions pay more if the federal program were to be renegotiated.

When asked at a Wednesday news conference about Alberta’s equalization referendum, Yves-François Blanchet said if given the chance he would push for a “green equalization” model under which the province would have to contribute more than it currently does while jurisdictions with lower-than-average emissions would receive more money. I’d rather pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today, etc…
What a fucking blowhard, Quebec is third highest in Canada for GHG emissions. Blanchet can spew his bullshit all he wants because he knows there'll be no re-negotiation on equalization. And certainly not if it results in Quebec becoming a payor instead of a payee,
 

Ron in Regina

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What a fucking blowhard, Quebec is third highest in Canada for GHG emissions. Blanchet can spew his bullshit all he wants because he knows there'll be no re-negotiation on equalization. And certainly not if it results in Quebec becoming a payor instead of a payee,
The solution might actually be fairly simple in concept if not logistically.

Alberta changes its laws to collect all taxes from its citizens for all provincial & federal taxes (basically a trust fund), then it remits the portion “owed” to the federal government in a commodity as opposed to a transfer of funds. The commodity being crude oil….pegged at the current world price plus 10% & a fuel subsidy for shipping, but without sufficient pipeline capacity it will be shipped by rail or road to whomever is deemed the recipient by Ottawa.

Each recipient can then can pay its carbon tax on what it has received at the time that it utilizes its federal gift in whatever method it decides to use its windfall be it directly or selling it to a third party. Quebec and Canada become a direct player in the Equalization funds (That Quebec has received every year since day 1 of the Equalization program) via a barter system of direct natural resource transfer as opposed to dollars and cents.

Alberta pays in with oil, Saskatchewan pays in with oil & potash & canola, BC pays in with lumber and so on and so forth….& everyone learns where the “Free Money” from Ottawa really comes from when the recipients have to become commodities traders immediately to utilize their ‘gifts’ for things other than what the raw commodities can directly be used for.

It’ll be a tough eye opener for those trying to pay with tourism or service industry recycled (instead of created) wealth, but it will show where the wealth really comes from.

“You want your CERB Pay for doing nothing last month? Here’s four barrels of crude oil, three bushels of canola, two logs, a sack of lentils, 30 gallons of milk, & the portion of the above commodities has already had its portion for carbon & income taxes deducted. You’re welcome and figure it out. I hope you own a truck.”
 

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The solution might actually be fairly simple in concept if not logistically.

Alberta changes its laws to collect all taxes from its citizens for all provincial & federal taxes (basically a trust fund), then it remits the portion “owed” to the federal government in a commodity as opposed to a transfer of funds. The commodity being crude oil….pegged at the current world price plus 10% & a fuel subsidy for shipping, but without sufficient pipeline capacity it will be shipped by rail or road to whomever is deemed the recipient by Ottawa.

Each recipient can then can pay its carbon tax on what it has received at the time that it utilizes its federal gift in whatever method it decides to use its windfall be it directly or selling it to a third party. Quebec and Canada become a direct player in the Equalization funds (That Quebec has received every year since day 1 of the Equalization program) via a barter system of direct natural resource transfer as opposed to dollars and cents.

Alberta pays in with oil, Saskatchewan pays in with oil & potash & canola, BC pays in with lumber and so on and so forth….& everyone learns where the “Free Money” from Ottawa really comes from when the recipients have to become commodities traders immediately to utilize their ‘gifts’ for things other than what the raw commodities can directly be used for.

It’ll be a tough eye opener for those trying to pay with tourism or service industry recycled (instead of created) wealth, but it will show where the wealth really comes from.

“You want your CERB Pay for doing nothing last month? Here’s four barrels of crude oil, three bushels of canola, two logs, a sack of lentils, 30 gallons of milk, & the portion of the above commodities has already had its portion for carbon & income taxes deducted. You’re welcome and figure it out. I hope you own a truck.”

Nah.. 10 million SHIBA INU crypto coin.. if you're going to sit home doing nothing might as well make it rich.

I bought at $0.000012 invested $5000 now it went up 1500% I am betting it will drop a few zeros and get to $.05 cents.

So in short I bought 100 million SHIBA, if it goes to $.05 per bitcoin??
 

Ron in Regina

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I was trying to get away from the abstract like currency (or cryptocurrency) with respect to the wealth distribution via federal gov’t taxes.

You want your cake & to eat it to, step up and accept the commodities that Ottawa is taxing instead of the tax dollars. Quebec can figure out what to do with 13 Billion Dollars in crude oil annually that’s shipped in by road and rail annually because it opposed pipelines to get oil from Western Canada to the Atlantic, etc…to fund its woke snippy bullshit and $10/day daycare as a have not province, etc….
 

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I was trying to get away from the abstract like currency (or cryptocurrency) with respect to the wealth distribution via federal gov’t taxes.

You want your cake & to eat it to, step up and accept the commodities that Ottawa is taxing instead of the tax dollars. Quebec can figure out what to do with 13 Billion Dollars in crude oil annually that’s shipped in by road and rail annually because it opposed pipelines to get oil from Western Canada to the Atlantic, etc…to fund its woke snippy bullshit and $10/day daycare as a have not province, etc….

I was trying to give you a mental suggestion fellow trucker.. ;)

Not haggle with your view.

While the world collapses around us.. hyperinflation, fuel prices, food prices.. I am looking ways to invest..

Can't keep driving.. although I have quit, sat at home.. then went and started my truck and wished I was back on the road.. it's sucks.. I fear I can have 100 million in the bank and I still will be wanting to drive a truck.

It will just be a nicer truck ;)

 
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