Ukraine and Russia make progress on ceasefire

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All the more reason why the USA should stay out of the conflict. Imposing sanctions only means that American farmers will not be able to sell their products in Russia who, in turn, buy their stuff elsewhere. Makes no sense to get involved in something that isn't any of our goddamn business.
 
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All the more reason why the USA should stay out of the conflict. Imposing sanctions only means that American farmers will not be able to sell their products in Russia who, in turn, buy their stuff elsewhere. Makes no sense to get involved in something that isn't any of our goddamn business.
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Russia is still importing food from the west although they claim it's not welcome. They have no choice.

Russia is Importing Banned Food Products By Lying About Them
 
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They didn't claim it wasn't welcome, they even said the rich could afford to 'get it themselves' and the State wouldn't interfer. I wouldn't expect you can bring in your own truckload but the West would certainly sell it. The cold war was a spending war and the USSR lost. This war is about how much you can 'not spend' and survive. Russia with closed borders could survive better than the US with closed borders and Europe won't take a big hit for a long period of time. If they had enough NG for this winter they would still be out in the spring and then what happens next winter when food and energy isn't there at any price? Russia will have food and fuel for many years if that is what it took. They let the West in and it was even more corrupt than the USSR as all the extra production simply made peop0le outside the country rich. Russia in it's current form cannot be won over by laying a siege on it. (anymore than NA could be brought to it's knees by naval blockade alone)
 
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I though progress was measured by seeing how few were in poverty rather than how few could be classified as being rich, Going back to a monarchy type or rule would be like going back to the dark ages. Referendums via Revenue Canada would work in Canada if sacking what Ottawa does was the desired goal when a drop in actual services is increased in quality but trimming out the duplicate parts of running the business called Canada. Russians have decided to circle their wagons around what Putin says and does shortly after, it is for the long haul and the West can't devote that much energy to what will always be a 'lost cause'. Too bad the 'one that got away syndrome ' lets others do the same.
The pipeline to China is now a homespun adventure when before Germany and others would have had bidding rights and the IMF would have allowed them to under-bid Russian companies. Now it is Russian againstr Russian so the winner will be a Russian who hires the same Russians as the other Russian company would have. India and/or China would have no problems doing the design work or supplying a labor force that have a Russian foreman and relatives working on the support system for the imported workers. When the contract is finished they go home with bulges inj their pockets and markets that have many things to choose from. Wouldn't eastern Russia not be seen as the new American West? Trade deals that will be honored have already been made and now the influx begins and after construction it is the service indistry that hemorages money on the people who now live along the pipe's path.
 
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The US and the UK have never known a moment without tyranny, the same kind of jackasses inside their country as well as outside. No wonder the military is always the only 'diplomatic' solution the West has.
Let's see if Kiev wants to survive as an economy by being partners with Russia in some non-military adventures of if she wants to be a military arm of NATO with none of the benefits. (other than crushing debt)
Welcome to the West. A ceasefire in the Ukraine won't save the USD
http://survivalbackpack.us/ukraine-brink-total-economic-collapse/

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Russians To Build $3 Billion Strategic Platinum Mine In Zimbabwe | StratRisks
The good news for Zimbabwe is that Russian investors have started a new $3 billion (R33bn) platinum mine about 50km north-west of Harare. Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov and Zimbabwe’s President Robert Mugabe turned the first sod yesterday.
The bad news for Zimbabwe is that a South African mining firm, which believed it had a licence to extract platinum nearby, and invested millions prospecting and producing a feasibility study, and was then kicked off its claim, last week won an order to seize all Zimbabwe’s diamonds sold in Antwerp over the past 10 days.
Lavrov and Mugabe launched the joint venture to develop the Zimbabwean deposit of platinum group metals in the Darwendale district. The mine was targeting production of 250 000 ounces annually within three years, the Zimbabwean ministry of mines said.
Peak production would be 800 000 ounces a year, which should help Zimbabwe produce 1 million ounces annually in five years time.


This would explain why a French Court made the award.
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News: Ukrainian singer Ruslana: a visit to Donetsk was an eye-opener - Wake Up From Your Slumber
The renowned singer and unofficial «symbol» of Maidan Ruslana said a visit to Donbass «opened her eyes».
The singer returned from Donetsk and immediately held a press conference where she declared she was wrong, supporting the policy of the Government of Ukraine.
— I came to Donetsk and saw something that I never expected to see. It literally «blew my mind» There are shells falling on our people! — the outraged Ruslana said. — It is necessary and simple -initiate a cease-fire, end the war and bloodshed. And if the politicians think otherwise it means there’s something fishy, there are some dirty games being played.
According to Ruslana, Ukrainian journalists must go to the front to find out what is true and what is false.
— If you’re so brave, then come with me next time, — the singer invited of one of Kiev reporters. — Then you’ll be able to see everything and understand me.
Artiste told that her car, in which she was traveling with DNR Prime Minister Alexander Zaharchenko, came under fire.
— Who was shooting and whom, whose bullets were those — it’s impossible to make out. But it is quite clear that we shoot our own people. I was the first one to beat my chest and scream that there is no civil war in Ukraine. I was so wrong, — admitted Ruslana.
The singer said that she was greatly disappointed by the Ukrainian leader Petr Poroshenko. Ruslana told how she went to participate in a demonstration in front of the presidential administration in Kiev on August 28. The rally was arranged by relatives and friends of the Ukrainian military, surrounded in Ilovaisk. Singer was shocked and angered that nobody from the Poroshenko’s people came out to talk to activists.
 
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Forget all the hype, the twp pictures tell the whole story and that leaves only one possible ending.
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To give one obvious example (having devoted four articles to the question of ISIS ‘beheadings’ and all the theory options there) the old Woodward/Bernstein Deep Throat command still applies: follow the money. There seems to me no question that ISIS is bankrolled in part by the Saudis. The Saudi oil-wealth (and its relevance to the petrodollar’s survival) is equally certain. For all this gibberish about “the war on terror” there is only one massive geopolitical game in play at the minute: for the Americans to keep the Saudis sweet, and ensure they don’t one day dump the petrodollar.
I don’t have any inside track on that one, but only common sense is required to interpret the race. I doubt if the hand-chopping wife decapitators of Saudi Arabia are enjoying the current US action against ISIS. But then, I doubt if the action is any more than window-dressing. While almost every Western news title this week has talked robotically about the “enormous scope” of the American attack, this is a line they’re being fed in order to give it the shock-and-awe factor. Iraq and Syria are, as Noel Coward might have said, “very very big”: the Obama action is, to be blunt, an egg timer in a desert.

Read more at SOMETHING BREWING IN BERLIN: Is Merkel weighing the cost of past US/EU folly against a future with Sino-Russian revival? | InvestmentWatch



 
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. Iraq and Syria are, as Noel Coward might have said, “very very big”: the Obama action is, to be blunt, an egg timer in a desert.
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Cannot blue eye spoke bottle cap yonder there. Better glass the overly teepee!
 
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You are still at a loss for words cause you liked that hour long vid of things getting blown to hell in Syria. You never did acid did you? Your fake stuff is really bad.
 
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You are still at a loss for words cause you liked that hour long vid of things getting blown to hell in Syria. You never did acid did you? Your fake stuff is really bad.
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Well that explains a heck of a lot Mr. Wavy Gravy.


 
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