UK Gov In Turmoil & Bexit Mess.
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OLIVIA UTLEY However much Jeremy Corbyn dreads it, a General Election really is round the corner
COMMENT
Olivia Utley
23 Oct 2019
The Sun
THERE was finally a Brexit breakthrough just after 7pm on Tuesday.
After three years of whingeing and *dithering, MPs eventually found the guts to rally round and vote in favour of a viable Brexit option.
From the beaches of Cornwall to the backstreets of Blythe, fed-up Brits breathed a collective sigh of relief. Surprise, surprise, it lasted for about 15 minutes.
Smartypants Remainer MPs decided that, though the deal was all very well in *theory, they couldn’t possibly be expected to actually make it work now.
No, no, no — they needed time to scrutinise. Leaving the EU is a big decision, after all, and to rush it would be unthinkable. Which is, as voters know only too well, utter codswallop.
These people have already had more than three years to blather on about the pros and cons of Brexit, and most of that was pointless anyway because the decision to leave the EU was made by their constituents on June 23, 2016.
No, the real reason so many MPs made the perverse decision to vote for a deal, then immediately vote for a motion which fundamentally undermines it, is that they are dyed-in-the-wool Remoaners.
And they will stop at nothing to reverse the result of the referendum. When their constituents look in danger of exploding with rage, they will throw them a bone. But that’s as far as their democratic impulses go.
In their infinite arrogance and *sense of entitlement, these over-educated *politicians see themselves not as our elected *representatives but as God’s *representatives on Earth.
Constituents, with their stuck-in-the-mud views and old-fashioned belief in the greatness of their country, are there to be placated and patronised — but actually listening to them is a step too far.
STEP TOO FAR
The bitter irony of the whole ludicrous affair is that each new delay dreamed up by smug Europhile MPs is another nail in the coffin of the future relationship between Britain and the EU.
Even if the British political class is desperate to keep banging on about Brexit, the rest of Europe — and the world — has already lost patience.
Although the letter(s) that Boris Johnson was forced to send to Donald Tusk have been received and duly noted, the lack of enthusiasm for any hold-up among the 27 partners is crystal clear.
Now that an end is in sight, they cannot wait for the British to bring the whole sorry business to an end. And those who try to get in the way of that end — including British MPs — are regarded as nothing but a nuisance.
Every single one of the desperate politicians who voted against the programme motion to set out a timetable for the bill deserves the contempt of voters.
But particular fury must be reserved for Dominic Grieve and his simpering partner in crime, Justine Greening.
This odious pair stood as Conservatives in the 2017 General Election and said — repeatedly and on the record — that Parliament had a duty to deliver the result of the referendum.
Their resolve lasted just as long as it took them to get elected, then all of a sudden they changed their minds.
BEGGING BOWL
Three years on, they are still squatting shamelessly, sitting as independent MPs away from the Government’s benches, spending their days making long, impassioned speeches about the joys of a second referendum — who do they think they’re kidding?! — while doing everything they can to block the heroic efforts of their former colleagues to get Brexit done.
In any normal democracy, they would be out on their ears. But this rotten Parliament is anything but normal — or democratic.
Thanks to the Fixed-term Parliaments Act — the brainchild of Oliver Letwin, a man with the common sense expected of someone with a philosophical treatise entitled Ethics, Emotion And The Unity Of The Self to his name — a General Election is out of the question until the Labour frontbench deigns to agree to it.
Read more:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10200...ing-squatting-remainers-living-borrowed-time/
COMMENT
Olivia Utley
23 Oct 2019
The Sun
THERE was finally a Brexit breakthrough just after 7pm on Tuesday.
After three years of whingeing and *dithering, MPs eventually found the guts to rally round and vote in favour of a viable Brexit option.
From the beaches of Cornwall to the backstreets of Blythe, fed-up Brits breathed a collective sigh of relief. Surprise, surprise, it lasted for about 15 minutes.
Smartypants Remainer MPs decided that, though the deal was all very well in *theory, they couldn’t possibly be expected to actually make it work now.
No, no, no — they needed time to scrutinise. Leaving the EU is a big decision, after all, and to rush it would be unthinkable. Which is, as voters know only too well, utter codswallop.
These people have already had more than three years to blather on about the pros and cons of Brexit, and most of that was pointless anyway because the decision to leave the EU was made by their constituents on June 23, 2016.
No, the real reason so many MPs made the perverse decision to vote for a deal, then immediately vote for a motion which fundamentally undermines it, is that they are dyed-in-the-wool Remoaners.
And they will stop at nothing to reverse the result of the referendum. When their constituents look in danger of exploding with rage, they will throw them a bone. But that’s as far as their democratic impulses go.
In their infinite arrogance and *sense of entitlement, these over-educated *politicians see themselves not as our elected *representatives but as God’s *representatives on Earth.
Constituents, with their stuck-in-the-mud views and old-fashioned belief in the greatness of their country, are there to be placated and patronised — but actually listening to them is a step too far.
STEP TOO FAR
The bitter irony of the whole ludicrous affair is that each new delay dreamed up by smug Europhile MPs is another nail in the coffin of the future relationship between Britain and the EU.
Even if the British political class is desperate to keep banging on about Brexit, the rest of Europe — and the world — has already lost patience.
Although the letter(s) that Boris Johnson was forced to send to Donald Tusk have been received and duly noted, the lack of enthusiasm for any hold-up among the 27 partners is crystal clear.
Now that an end is in sight, they cannot wait for the British to bring the whole sorry business to an end. And those who try to get in the way of that end — including British MPs — are regarded as nothing but a nuisance.
Every single one of the desperate politicians who voted against the programme motion to set out a timetable for the bill deserves the contempt of voters.
But particular fury must be reserved for Dominic Grieve and his simpering partner in crime, Justine Greening.
This odious pair stood as Conservatives in the 2017 General Election and said — repeatedly and on the record — that Parliament had a duty to deliver the result of the referendum.
Their resolve lasted just as long as it took them to get elected, then all of a sudden they changed their minds.
BEGGING BOWL
Three years on, they are still squatting shamelessly, sitting as independent MPs away from the Government’s benches, spending their days making long, impassioned speeches about the joys of a second referendum — who do they think they’re kidding?! — while doing everything they can to block the heroic efforts of their former colleagues to get Brexit done.
In any normal democracy, they would be out on their ears. But this rotten Parliament is anything but normal — or democratic.
Thanks to the Fixed-term Parliaments Act — the brainchild of Oliver Letwin, a man with the common sense expected of someone with a philosophical treatise entitled Ethics, Emotion And The Unity Of The Self to his name — a General Election is out of the question until the Labour frontbench deigns to agree to it.
Read more:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10200...ing-squatting-remainers-living-borrowed-time/
PM throws down the gauntlet to Jeremy Corbyn: Boris Johnson challenges Labour to the polls on December 12 - and vows to hold vote on an election EVERY day if they refuse
Boris Johnson tonight threw down the gauntlet to Jeremy Corbyn as he challenged the Labour leader to back his bid for a general election on December 12 and vowed to hold a vote every day if they refuse.
Mr Johnson will hold a vote in the House of Commons on Monday on triggering a snap poll after telling Mr Corbyn the Brexit 'nightmare' cannot be allowed to continue.
But as Mr Corbyn refused to commit, Downing Street threatened to stage daily Commons votes on a snap election until he concedes, saying it would not let him 'hold the country hostage'.
A No 10 source said the Government would effectively go on strike by pulling all legislation, including the Withdrawal Agreement Bill, and instead 'campaign at every stage and at every opportunity for a General Election'.
The EU will make a decision tomorrow on how long to postpone Brexit for and the bloc is expected to push back the UK's departure date to January 31.
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Mr Johnson believes such an extension is unacceptable and as a result he has told MPs that if they back an election he will make time available for them to scrutinise and vote on his Brexit deal.
But to succeed he needs the backing of two-thirds of MPs. Mr Corbyn, who has three times turned down the chance of an election, last night suggested he might bottle it again, meaning Mr Johnson will not get the 434 votes he needs.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...warn-Boris-Johnson-December-election-bid.html
Boris Johnson tonight threw down the gauntlet to Jeremy Corbyn as he challenged the Labour leader to back his bid for a general election on December 12 and vowed to hold a vote every day if they refuse.
Mr Johnson will hold a vote in the House of Commons on Monday on triggering a snap poll after telling Mr Corbyn the Brexit 'nightmare' cannot be allowed to continue.
But as Mr Corbyn refused to commit, Downing Street threatened to stage daily Commons votes on a snap election until he concedes, saying it would not let him 'hold the country hostage'.
A No 10 source said the Government would effectively go on strike by pulling all legislation, including the Withdrawal Agreement Bill, and instead 'campaign at every stage and at every opportunity for a General Election'.
The EU will make a decision tomorrow on how long to postpone Brexit for and the bloc is expected to push back the UK's departure date to January 31.
ADVERTISING
Mr Johnson believes such an extension is unacceptable and as a result he has told MPs that if they back an election he will make time available for them to scrutinise and vote on his Brexit deal.
But to succeed he needs the backing of two-thirds of MPs. Mr Corbyn, who has three times turned down the chance of an election, last night suggested he might bottle it again, meaning Mr Johnson will not get the 434 votes he needs.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...warn-Boris-Johnson-December-election-bid.html
Bye bye, second referendum!
Boris Johnson WINS final vote on his Queen's Speech as the House of Commons gives its backing to his vision for the UK despite opposition to his Brexit plan after John Bercow kills off Remainer MPs' bid to hijack it to force a second referendum
Boris Johnson today managed to secure the backing of the House of Commons for his Queen’s Speech as MPs gave the PM the green light to press ahead with his vision for the UK.
The Queen’s Speech contains all of the draft laws which Mr Johnson’s government wants to pass and this evening MPs voted in favour of his legislative agenda.
In a rare victory for the Prime Minister since he took over in July it was passed by 310 votes to 294, majority 16.
It came as he dangled an electoral carrot in front of Jeremy Corbyn's Labour Party, to offer more time to debate his Brexit deal in return for a general election on December 12, following another EU-dictated delay to the UK's departure.
The victory represents a major boost to the PM who managed to unite a majority of MPs behind him despite ongoing tensions over Brexit.
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The backing for the Queen’s Speech came after John Bercow scuppered a bid brought forward by Remainer MPs to force a second referendum.
The Liberal Democrats tabled an amendment designed to bring about a so-called ‘People’s Vote’ but the Commons Speaker decided not to select it.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...es-crunch-final-vote-Queens-Speech-TODAY.html
Boris Johnson WINS final vote on his Queen's Speech as the House of Commons gives its backing to his vision for the UK despite opposition to his Brexit plan after John Bercow kills off Remainer MPs' bid to hijack it to force a second referendum
Boris Johnson today managed to secure the backing of the House of Commons for his Queen’s Speech as MPs gave the PM the green light to press ahead with his vision for the UK.
The Queen’s Speech contains all of the draft laws which Mr Johnson’s government wants to pass and this evening MPs voted in favour of his legislative agenda.
In a rare victory for the Prime Minister since he took over in July it was passed by 310 votes to 294, majority 16.
It came as he dangled an electoral carrot in front of Jeremy Corbyn's Labour Party, to offer more time to debate his Brexit deal in return for a general election on December 12, following another EU-dictated delay to the UK's departure.
The victory represents a major boost to the PM who managed to unite a majority of MPs behind him despite ongoing tensions over Brexit.
ADVERTISING
The backing for the Queen’s Speech came after John Bercow scuppered a bid brought forward by Remainer MPs to force a second referendum.
The Liberal Democrats tabled an amendment designed to bring about a so-called ‘People’s Vote’ but the Commons Speaker decided not to select it.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...es-crunch-final-vote-Queens-Speech-TODAY.html
So what happened to leaving, absolutely, with or without a deal, on the 31st?
Tsk; guess even BoJo isn't as great as you think. Must be a Remainer in secret too.
Tsk; guess even BoJo isn't as great as you think. Must be a Remainer in secret too.
If the EU decides against granting an extension today - and I hope they don't because we voted to leave in 2016 and should have left on 29th March - then we'll leave on Thursday.
THE SUN SAYS Don’t believe rancid Remainers’ lies – they have no motives to ‘scrutinise’ Boris Johnson’s new deal
COMMENT
The Sun
23 Oct 2019
WE didn’t think this rancid Remainer Parliament could get worse. But MPs topped it all with last night’s pantomime.
Don’t believe their lies. They have no genuine, principled motives for demanding more time to “scrutinise” Boris Johnson’s new deal.
Corbyn and his acolytes condemned it before they even read it. The Lib Dems want simply to revoke Brexit. The SNP does too. The ex-Tories sacked *by Boris took their chance for childish revenge.
This new delay the PM is now forced to secure from the EU, on whatever terms Brussels imposes, simply buys those wreckers more time to fabricate excuses to block Brexit.
But we pay tribute to the PM. He HAS achieved something incredible.
He proved everyone else wrong. He pulled off an improved new deal which saw the EU rewrite a treaty it vowed it would never reopen. And where Theresa May failed three times to get her deal approved by the Commons, Boris succeeded and with relative comfort.
A proper Brexit deal with a majority now exists. Which means Remainers will wage all-out war on it — via fatal amendments like a permanent customs union and a second referendum.
We would have more respect if they simply put revoking Brexit to a vote. Everyone knows that is what they want. At least it would be honest. Instead they sneak around behind toxic amendments and the absurd fiction that a second referendum, biased for Remain, would somehow be unifying and democratic.
Amid this new chaos, only one thing is certain: there is no hiding place left for Jeremy Corbyn and his petrified party.
Labour have fled from an election, claiming they first needed a Brexit deadline extension. That looks nailed- on now. They are out of excuses.
Boris needs a majority to govern and move Britain forward. Voters are desperate to fire this abysmal Parliament.
Labour must agree an election now. Corbyn’s cowards cannot cripple the country any longer.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10193136/remainers-rancid-lied-boris-johnson-deal/
COMMENT
The Sun
23 Oct 2019
WE didn’t think this rancid Remainer Parliament could get worse. But MPs topped it all with last night’s pantomime.
Don’t believe their lies. They have no genuine, principled motives for demanding more time to “scrutinise” Boris Johnson’s new deal.
Corbyn and his acolytes condemned it before they even read it. The Lib Dems want simply to revoke Brexit. The SNP does too. The ex-Tories sacked *by Boris took their chance for childish revenge.
This new delay the PM is now forced to secure from the EU, on whatever terms Brussels imposes, simply buys those wreckers more time to fabricate excuses to block Brexit.
But we pay tribute to the PM. He HAS achieved something incredible.
He proved everyone else wrong. He pulled off an improved new deal which saw the EU rewrite a treaty it vowed it would never reopen. And where Theresa May failed three times to get her deal approved by the Commons, Boris succeeded and with relative comfort.
A proper Brexit deal with a majority now exists. Which means Remainers will wage all-out war on it — via fatal amendments like a permanent customs union and a second referendum.
We would have more respect if they simply put revoking Brexit to a vote. Everyone knows that is what they want. At least it would be honest. Instead they sneak around behind toxic amendments and the absurd fiction that a second referendum, biased for Remain, would somehow be unifying and democratic.
Amid this new chaos, only one thing is certain: there is no hiding place left for Jeremy Corbyn and his petrified party.
Labour have fled from an election, claiming they first needed a Brexit deadline extension. That looks nailed- on now. They are out of excuses.
Boris needs a majority to govern and move Britain forward. Voters are desperate to fire this abysmal Parliament.
Labour must agree an election now. Corbyn’s cowards cannot cripple the country any longer.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10193136/remainers-rancid-lied-boris-johnson-deal/
That's if they don't.
A big if.
It wouldn't shock me to see the EU vote for it just out of spite.
The EU is to grant an extension, it seems, but will reveal it on Monday.
My reckoning is that it will grant one more favourable to the Leavers - a "flextension". So rather than until 31st January, which is what the Remainers want, it will instead grant an extension that lasts until the government has passed the legislation it needs to take us out, even if it's just three days or a fortnight.
Brexit will happen, by the way. The childish Remainers can keep demanding we ask the EU for yet another extension but it's only a matter of time before the EU - which just wants this over with, like Leavers - says no
I think the EU is actually starting to get pretty annoyed with the Remainers.
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Brexit will happen, by the way.
Uh huh, keep tellin' yourself that and it might be true. At this point, the only way it'll happen is if BoJo had kept his word. Which he won't.
He's just as ineffective as May.
Or maybe he realizes that y'all NEED an actual Brexit with the deal after all because one without is effin' stupid.
Be interesting for him to call an election now.
You're right; today has been a hell day and I haven't caught up on things.
Doesn't make your comment any less stupid.