U.S. summer a global warming preview, scientists say

[coldstream]

No we aren't. England is but that is argued by some to not even be a part of Europe. But hey, apparently you wanted to hop on the selective bandwagon.

Anyways, the frequency of warm weather phenomena may increase as global warming occurs, but as wariness of the quotes by the scientists show, any individual event cannot be linked to global warming. It is funny to see the media which are so delighted to gloat in cold weather trying to pull out the statistical non-certainty now though.

England.. and France too, the northern part of which has been drenched in rain.. and no one can deny that Europe and northern Asia had the coldest and bitterest winter in decades. As for your comment on individual events being free of AGW, that's more revisionism by its proponents.

Their whole original argument was that the climate is such a monolithic and interconnected entity that the most miniscule relative amounts of carbon that humans contribute to the atmosphere will throw out of balance the entire climate equilibrium. Now they are presenting arguments that only data that supports their claims can be trusted. Do they take us ALL to be complete fools.

And that doesn't stop the media from hysteria and fear mongering when ANY part of Globe gets a transient hot spell.. and completely ignoring huge swaths of the Globe are experiencing normal or below normal temperatures. It is a form of mass delusion.. which has its roots in the loss of moral certitudes and faith in our society.

G.K. Chesterton noted that those who have chosen to believe in nothing.. end up believing in ANYTHING.. UFOs, AGW, ghosts and goblins.. they all fall into the same PARANORMAL mindframe, free from scientific rigour, they conform ONLY to systems of credulity. That makes them suckers for hucksters who use it to their political, ideological and financial advantage.. as we see with the fiasco of 'carbon credits'.

Again and again their predictions are proven wrong. The whole thing has fallen into disrepute and farce. But that makes NO difference to true believers. AGW has become a matter of faith.. free from any reliance on rational science.. free from any trust in God.

 

[EagleSmack]

But what about when it gets real hot out in the summer?

 

[mentalfloss]

LMAO. Roger that MF. Perhaps you should be getting some things checked out after that post.

 

[WJW]

"Nunquam aliud Natura aliud Sapientia dicit.
- Juvenal

What is needed is to restore the natural balance. All life depends on a delicate balance of the great forces of nature. With these elemental forces, it only takes a small change to result in catastrophic meteorological events causing destruction and devastation across the continents. What the scientists are saying is that we must reduce the carbon emissions or face the consequences. The earth has the capacity to restore the depleted ozone; but it will not happen unless we stop spewing industrial gases into the atmosphere at the current rate. We must act now, for it will be late to counsel then or pray when the consequences of our delay have been visited upon us. The earth is speaking to us and we should listen, for "wisdom ever echos nature’s voice."

 

[Redmonton_Rebel]

I take a rabid environmentalist who spends hours on a computer with the same grain of salt that I take a PETA freak eating a Big Mac....

You're not basing your opinions on fact, your position is just as ideologically driven as the people you're condemning.

This isn't and shouldn't be an ideological issue. If we're driving the global environment into an unstable state that will compromise our ability to maintain the massive and growing populations we have now as well as much of the current biological community then we have a responsibility to take preventative action.

If the probability was even 50% that this was happening it should be a front and center topic, but it's much higher than that looking at the real world evidence which has absolutely nothing to do with ideology. I'm not theorizing that someday much of the ice cover on the planet may melt, I'm watching it happen, the same goes for severe weather events that have increased in number and magnitiude in recent decades.

You make important choices based on the most reliable information, it's not environmental extremists who are presenting the best case for our future, it's some of the most qualified experts in the field. If your doctor told you you needed medication and lifestyle changes for your dangerously high blood pressure would you run down to your local butcher and see what he thought about you changing your diet?

 

[WJW]

Along with global warming, overpopulation is a "politically incorrect" subject. We are living in a Malthusian nightmare; but there seems little that the world can (or will) do about it. Charles Darwin held out hope that man would evolve into a more perfect species, but feared that he was already doomed to self-destruction before getting there. Certainly, we are no better for following the commandment to "Be fruitful and multiply. . . ." Genesis 1:28 (KJV). Ours has not been a history of good husbandry. Man may be master on this planet; but we are rapidly laying waste to the land and the sea upon which we depend for life's subsistence; for when this goes, then, surely as the earth turns, so shall we go also.

 

[Cabbagesandking]

I would suggest that the faint hearted deniers not read this and stick to the schtick that Europe is cooling. That would help them to keep their cult status with the fearful.


It is clear from this analysis that during the last 50 years, large parts of Europe warmed at 2-3 times the ‘average’ global rate. This is at the high end of the 'land' warming rates shown in the bar graph above. Some will say that this is a cherry-pick, but 50 years over an entire continent is one very large, long-lived cherry.

Northern hemisphere warming rates: More than you may have heard

 

[lone wolf]

You're not basing your opinions on fact, your position is just as ideologically driven as the people you're condemning.

This isn't and shouldn't be an ideological issue. If we're driving the global environment into an unstable state that will compromise our ability to maintain the massive and growing populations we have now as well as much of the current biological community then we have a responsibility to take preventative action.

If the probability was even 50% that this was happening it should be a front and center topic, but it's much higher than that looking at the real world evidence which has absolutely nothing to do with ideology. I'm not theorizing that someday much of the ice cover on the planet may melt, I'm watching it happen, the same goes for severe weather events that have increased in number and magnitiude in recent decades.

You make important choices based on the most reliable information, it's not environmental extremists who are presenting the best case for our future, it's some of the most qualified experts in the field. If your doctor told you you needed medication and lifestyle changes for your dangerously high blood pressure would you run down to your local butcher and see what he thought about you changing your diet?

Well then get away from your computer and DO something. Nagging isn't working....

 

[Redmonton_Rebel]

England.. and France too, the northern part of which has been drenched in rain.. and no one can deny that Europe and northern Asia had the coldest and bitterest winter in decades. As for your comment on individual events being free of AGW, that's more revisionism by its proponents.

Their whole original argument was that the climate is such a monolithic and interconnected entity that the most miniscule relative amounts of carbon that humans contribute to the atmosphere will throw out of balance the entire climate equilibrium. Now they are presenting arguments that only data that supports their claims can be trusted. Do they take us ALL to be complete fools.

And that doesn't stop the media from hysteria and fear mongering when ANY part of Globe gets a transient hot spell.. and completely ignoring huge swaths of the Globe are experiencing normal or below normal temperatures. It is a form of mass delusion.. which has its roots in the loss of moral certitudes and faith in our society.

G.K. Chesterton noted that those who have chosen to believe in nothing.. end up believing in ANYTHING.. UFOs, AGW, ghosts and goblins.. they all fall into the same PARANORMAL mindframe, free from scientific rigour, they conform ONLY to systems of credulity. That makes them suckers for hucksters who use it to their political, ideological and financial advantage.. as we see with the fiasco of 'carbon credits'.

Again and again their predictions are proven wrong. The whole thing has fallen into disrepute and farce. But that makes NO difference to true believers. AGW has become a matter of faith.. free from any reliance on rational science.. free from any trust in God.

The human link to climate change isn't based in supposition, it's based on hard fact.

- We know for a fact that massive amounts of ice cover on the planet are disappearing worldwide, this is strong evidence for a global warming event.
- We know that the timing of the seasons has changed in recent decades with spring coming earlier and winter latter.
- The has been a measured increase in atmospheric humidity which has often resulted and contributed to record flooding on a global scale.
- The temperature profile of the atmosphere is consistent with an increase of human generated GHGs.
and there's much more.

If the fundamental science indicates that an increase of concentration of GHGs will impede the release of longwave radiation of the kind emitted by the Earth, resulting in a global rise in average temperature to compensate for the imbalance and if real world obsevarations also corroborate this then how is it incredible to accept the very real possibility if not probability of human generated climate change.

By stating the opposite you need to contradict some of the fundamental principles modern science and society is founded on. That's neither rational or responsible.

 

[Cabbagesandking]

Why look at facts? Just model it.

You do know enough to know that modelling is based on facts? That it starts with the assembly of facts and projects from them? Or perhaps you know that but don't know what a fact is.

 

[Redmonton_Rebel]

Well then get away from your computer and DO something. Nagging isn't working....

One of the most important steps is education so people understand the importance of action.

And effectively countering people who's agenda is to stop effective education on the issue...

 

[Cabbagesandking]

Are you better informed? Global weather changes. So do water levels on ocean-front shorelines and phases of the moon. It's a living planet. Why do you want to kill it by stopping her cycles?

Are you up for a 6.5 billion cull to get back to the 500 million people some theorists believe Earth can sustain?

Obviously I am better informed. If you could compete in the information line, you would not make such a silly post.

Leaving out the "cull" comment that is about a snide accusation as I have seen, the answer to the other points is that they are nonsense.

Tide is not change. Water level increase on ocean front shorelines is real and permanent and it does not ebb and flow. Indeed, the Oceans have now reached the point that, even if we magically stopped any further warming, they would continue to rise by 2 or 3 mms every year for the next three centuries or so. Thermal increase would account for that: no need for the melting icecaps.

Global weather changes! Really! I did not know that. If only the climate were not changing so that the weather changes were not producing ever more discomfort.

 

[lone wolf]

Talk's cheap - and the easy way out. Break a sweat, man. At least try to LOOK committed. Maybe you can hook a big anchor on the moon and stop a lot of nasty cycles - only 'cuz we know the sun's too hot.

Failing that, come up with a list of alternatives. Nothing will ever change unless it's forced - and religious ranting won't do it. Nobody knows WHO to believe.

 

[Cabbagesandking]

What is faulty? The heat waves are local and weather. Using weather as an example had been a No No with the GW crowd... up until now it seems. We are not experiencing anything abnormal in NE. It is summer and it is warm. Just like it always has been.

But the heat waves are not just local. They are occurring all over the Planet in their seasons.

Using weather is a 'no-no.' But using the long term trend and evidence of weather is climate analysis.

And wherever you are it is not just as 'always has been.' Without checking, I cannot think of any area of the world, large or small, that is not warmer than it was thirty years ago.

 

[Redmonton_Rebel]

Talk's cheap - and the easy way out. Break a sweat, man. At least try to LOOK committed. Maybe you can hook a big anchor on the moon and stop a lot of nasty cycles - only 'cuz we know the sun's too hot

The first step to any effective and responsible course of action is to understand the issues involved.

I'm not even sure what you're trying to say here so there may be more than just lack of understanding going on with you.

This is an issue that many people are concerned about based on real world evidence and experience.

 

[lone wolf]

Obviously I am better informed. If you could compete in the information line, you would not make such a silly post.

Leaving out the "cull" comment that is about a snide accusation as I have seen, the answer to the other points is that they are nonsense.

...bla, bla, bla...​

Global weather changes! Really! I did not know that. If only the climate were not changing so that the weather changes were not producing ever more discomfort.

Now who's trolling for appropriate adjectives?

 

[Cabbagesandking]

Talk's cheap - and the easy way out. Break a sweat, man. At least try to LOOK committed. Maybe you can hook a big anchor on the moon and stop a lot of nasty cycles - only 'cuz we know the sun's too hot.

Failing that, come up with a list of alternatives. Nothing will ever change unless it's forced - and religious ranting won't do it. Nobody knows WHO to believe.

Everybody knows who to believe. Only the weak and troubled still accept the cult behaviour that denies climate change AND AGW. Since the laws of physics mandate warming in the case of increased atmospheric CO2 and since, just about every scientist in the world accepts the evidence that those laws are now operative, then it is a very froghtened person indeed who still clings to the faith that all is well.

And, alternatives to what?

An alternative to becoming the first species to commit mass suicide is simple. Stop the emissions.

Now who's trolling for appropriate adjectives?

Huh!

 

[lone wolf]

Everybody knows who to believe. Only the weak and troubled still accept the cult behaviour that denies climate change AND AGW. Since the laws of physics mandate warming in the case of increased atmospheric CO2 and since, just about every scientist in the world accepts the evidence that those laws are now operative, then it is a very froghtened person indeed who still clings to the faith that all is well.

And, alternatives to what?

An alternative to becoming the first species to commit mass suicide is simple. Stop the emissions.


Huh!

You aren't very bright are you? Have I denied the climate is changing? It ALWAYS does....

Seems some alarmists holler the sky is falling then hope to get rich from umbrella sales.

 

[Redmonton_Rebel]

Seems some alarmists holler the sky is falling then hope to get rich from umbrella sales.

Considering the seriousness of this issue where are your facts to make contentions like this?

 

[lone wolf]

Considering the seriousness of this issue where are your facts to make contentions like this?

Where are your facts? Credentials? So far, all we've heard are your claims to worldwide expertise in everything. There's a word for that....

You both gotta aim higher.... I'm somewhere near the bottom of your shyteheap....