U.S.-Mexico sign climate co-operation deal as Canada stalls on UN emissions bid

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U.S.-Mexico sign climate co-operation deal as Canada stalls on UN emissions bid

Canada’s economy is “so entrenched in fossil energy” that most stocks are still linked to the extractive industries, says a white paper from two University of British Columbia researchers working with the Pacific Institute for Climate Solutions. (TODD KOROL/REUTERS)

The Harper government is temporarily standing on the sidelines as international negotiations ramp up for a United Nations climate conference at the end of this year.

The conference scheduled for Paris in December is supposed to result in a post-2020 global agreement on cutting greenhouse gas emissions — a successor to the Copenhagen accord signed in 2009.

To help the negotiations, countries that are ready have been asked to submit their emissions targets and climate plans by March 31, a Tuesday deadline Environment Canada says it won’t meet.

The United States is expected to announce its post-2020 emissions targets today or Tuesday, but had already broadly laid out its goals in announcing a climate deal with China last November.

In the meantime, the U.S. and Mexico agreed to a joint task force on climate policy co-operation on Friday after Mexico announced its emissions will peak by 2026 and fall 22 per cent below “business as usual” levels by the year 2030.

Mexico is the first developing nation to submit its nationally determined contribution to the Paris organizers.

The Harper government, which has repeatedly stressed that Canada’s climate policies must be co-ordinated with our continental trading partners, is not party to the new U.S.-Mexico task force.

Nor will it submit its emissions targets to the summit organizers this week.

“Canada wants to ensure we have a complete picture of what the provinces and territories plan before we submit,” a spokesman for Environment Minister Leona Aglukkaq said in an email Sunday.

Ted Laking said the government will submit its nationally determined contribution “well in advance” of the December summit, as organizers have asked.

“Because this is a national contribution and the provinces have targets of their own, we are collecting information on how they intend to meet their targets.”

As for the U.S.-Mexico climate deal, Laking said it “emulates much of the work that Canada is already undertaking bilaterally with Mexico and the U.S., including regulatory alignment, collaboration on more energy efficient electricity grids and clean energy.”

A U.S.-Mexico joint statement posted Friday by the White House stressed “the importance of jointly addressing climate in their integrated economy.”

“The two countries will seize every opportunity to harmonize their efforts and policies toward their common climate goals,” said the statement, including cooperation on everything from grid modernization and appliance standards to global and regional climate modelling.

Canada and the United States signed off on what was called a Clean Energy Dialogue in 2009, which included working groups on specific areas such as automobile fleets and transmission grids.

More recently, Prime Minister Stephen Harper said in a year-end interview last December that Canada can’t regulate its oil and gas sector without coordinating with the U.S. and Mexico.

“We’ve said for some time, it’s very public, we’re seeking a continental response on this particular question, not just with the United States. We’d like to see Mexico as well in it,” Harper told the CBC.

However government statements in recent years have not reflected any substantive talks, let alone agreement, between Canada and the U.S. on common regulation of their oil and gas sectors.

Louise Comeau, the executive director of Climate Action Network Canada, said in an interview the U.S.-Mexico task force appears similar to bilateral groups set up by the Americans with China and India.

“Mexico has put on the table a pretty significant target and indicated it is prepared to negotiate,” further cuts, she said.

Comeau says it is important to get those country contributions on the table now in order for summit organizers to analyse the many different models well before the Paris meeting. Failing to do so “constrains the whole negotiation,” she said.

But Comeau agreed Ottawa ultimately will need to know what additional measures Ontario and Alberta are planning as part of Canada’s national contribution. The Ontario government has promised to bring in a carbon-pricing scheme this year — likely in June — while Alberta is overdue to renew and strengthen its carbon tech fund for large emitters.

Canada will need to cut its emissions by roughly a third from current levels by 2025 in order to keep pace with U.S. targets, said Comeau, and provincial efforts alone are not enough.

“To get there, the feds are going to have to put something on the table,” she said.

U.S.-Mexico sign climate co-operation deal as Canada stalls on UN emissions bid - The Globe and Mail
 

DaSleeper

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Thanks for the Monday morning chuckles Flossy.
We never have enough global warming threads....
Do you think it would be go training for a new moderator to combine all the threads on global warming from the beginning of the forum to now into a single thread?????:lol:
Just the anti Harper threads started by Flossy......with "Harper" in the title the number is fast approaching 500....then the forum quits counting......:-(
 

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We never have enough global warming threads....
Do you think it would be go training for a new moderator to combine all the threads on global warming from the beginning of the forum to now into a single thread?????:lol:
Just the anti Harper threads started by Flossy......with "Harper" in the title the number is fast approaching 500....then the forum quits counting......:-(

Remember how excited they were with Kyoto, Dhoa, Copenhagen, etc?
 

DaSleeper

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Since when did you become a lefty Das?
When you vote for Harper, I might just vote for Mulcair...
On second thought, it wouldn't make any difference, they could put up the farmer's cow as NDP for MP here and she would get voted in.
BTW I think she looks like she already has......
 

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We never have enough global warming threads....
Do you think it would be go training for a new moderator to combine all the threads on global warming from the beginning of the forum to now into a single thread?????:lol:
Just the anti Harper threads started by Flossy......with "Harper" in the title the number is fast approaching 500....then the forum quits counting......:-(

Flossy knows his alarmists threads are destined for the bottom and out.

They are.... unsustainable.

Remember how excited they were with Kyoto, Dhoa, Copenhagen, etc?

I do! They were like little kids... and so righteous.
 

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Fantastic!

In the meantime, the U.S. and Mexico agreed to a joint task force on climate policy co-operation on Friday after Mexico announced its emissions will peak by 2026 and fall 22 per cent below “business as usual” levels by the year 2030.

They can do whatever they wish for the next 10 years then go to "business as usual" by 2030.

Business as usual? LMAO!

I'd sign those deals ALL DAY LONG!
 

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Perhaps yous guys missed the point that these individual stories can be discussed in their own context and don't have to refer to some ideological discussion about climate change.

But hey, when you're not complaining about taxes, you like to enforce authoritarian lefty measures.

Makes complete sense lol
 

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Perhaps yous guys missed the point that these individual stories can be discussed in their own context and don't have to refer to some ideological discussion about climate change.

But hey, when you're not complaining about taxes, you like to enforce authoritarian lefty measures.

Makes complete sense lol

Floss... you know you threads have no staying power here.
 

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Perhaps yous guys missed the point that these individual stories can be discussed in their own context and don't have to refer to some ideological discussion about climate change.

But hey, when you're not complaining about taxes, you like to enforce authoritarian lefty measures.

Makes complete sense lol

the degree of their lefty measure taking is very authoritative! :mrgreen:
 

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I have more 'popular' threads on this forum than any other poster but thanks for playing.

Geez... it wouldn't be because you bump them when you see them getting pushed off with no interest now would it? I've seen you do it.

And if by popular you mean by members posting how foolish you are in all these threads well you are popular like the village idiot then.
 

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Fantastic!

In the meantime, the U.S. and Mexico agreed to a joint task force on climate policy co-operation on Friday after Mexico announced its emissions will peak by 2026 and fall 22 per cent below “business as usual” levels by the year 2030.

They can do whatever they wish for the next 10 years then go to "business as usual" by 2030.

Business as usual? LMAO!

I'd sign those deals ALL DAY LONG!

... Don't forget that come 2029, 'the deal' will be renegotiated again.
 

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In the meantime, the U.S. and Mexico agreed to a joint task force on climate policy co-operation on Friday after Mexico announced its emissions will peak by 2026 and fall 22 per cent below “business as usual” levels by the year 2030.

They can do whatever they wish for the next 10 years then go to "business as usual" by 2030.

Business as usual? LMAO!

I'd sign those deals ALL DAY LONG!
... Don't forget that come 2029, 'the deal' will be renegotiated again.

you guys struggled with the same concept back in the discussion of the U.S.-China agreement! :mrgreen: Here's a refresher for ya... use this U.S.-China reference and let me know if you need some help applying it to U.S.-Mexico, vis-a-vis interpreting this whole BAU thingee relative to peak/pledged targets... and when a country would actually have to start doing sumthin!
ya see... China can't keep on, as many claim, "doing nuthin" (aka Business-As-Usual (BAU)), and reach the peak pledge level (cutting its net carbon pollution between 2015 and 2030 by about 20 billion tons.)... notwithstanding as a part of the U.S.-China deal, China has pledged to increase the share of energy consumed from non-emissions sources like renewables, nuclear energy and hydro-electricity to 20 percent by 2030


in reality, on it's current trajectory, it is the U.S. pledge that will require the U.S. to do, relatively speaking, NOT MUCH MORE than maintain it's current BAU interests... to date, U.S. emissions are already 10–15% below 2005 levels (which aligns with the prior 2009 pledge Obama made to reach a 17% reduction by 2020... the same pledge Harper made but refused to even address). To date, U.S. emissions are falling by about 1.5% per year... for the U.S. to reach the pledged target of 26–28% emissions cuts below 2005 levels by 2025, the U.S. will only be required to continue its current ongoing rate of yearly emission reductions.