U.S. general fired over interview

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This general's character says a lot about US generals and says even more about the blood thirsty pigs serving under them. The US military and it troops cannot be supported by Canadians when the wars they are fighting are illegal and immoral and and only for financial and political gain.

Canada should support our troops by demanding to bring them home. That's the only support they deserve when taking part in US led wars.
 

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This general's character says a lot about US generals and says even more about the blood thirsty pigs serving under them. The US military and it troops cannot be supported by Canadians when the wars they are fighting are illegal and immoral and and only for financial and political gain.

Canada should support our troops by demanding to bring them home. That's the only support they deserve when taking part in US led wars.

Good Grief. :roll:
 

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some of the greates kingdoms and armies where lead by generals who held absolute power

the warrior swedish king gustavus
peter the great
julius caeser
sulimien the magnificiant
mehmed II
kig henry cant remember the number

etc etc
 

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this general's character says a lot about us generals and says even more about the blood thirsty pigs serving under them. The us military and it troops cannot be supported by canadians when the wars they are fighting are illegal and immoral and and only for financial and political gain.

Canada should support our troops by demanding to bring them home. That's the only support they deserve when taking part in us led wars.

3M ta3
 

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some of the greates kingdoms and armies where lead by generals who held absolute power

the warrior swedish king gustavus
peter the great
julius caeser
sulimien the magnificiant
mehmed II
kig henry cant remember the number

etc etc
That would be Henry II....

BTW, you will notice that every one of your examples was before the American Revolution and the development of the modern democracy?

In a free nation, the military always answers to the civilian power.
 

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It was cut and dry. Actually I was wondering what Obama would do but in hindsight there was only one thing he could do...relieve him of command.

I was thinking of Obama just ripping him a new azz and sending him back but he just could not do that. When a general is allowed to critisize the CIC that opens the door for the Private, Lance Corporal, Sgt., etc to do the same without any repercussions outside of an azz chewing. Getting your azz chewed is a common occurence while serving in uniform.

Years ago the US Navy's top Admiral killed himself. He was photographed wearing a ribbon with a "V" denoting valor in combat in Vietnam. He rated the ribbon but not the "V" as he had never been to combat. Now when members of the armed services wear ribbons or badges they do not rate they get busted hard. Court Martials in some cases, all cases they get busted in rank or in the officer corps they are forced to resign their commisions. It may sound trivial to some folks but the military takes it seriously. So when the news media was getting ready to go to press with it he knew he would be asked to resign without full honors...he shot himself instead.



I'd like to know WTF he and his aides were thinking! Running their mouths to a Rolling Stone journalist. That reporter must be pretty darn good to loosen them up like that.

You know what... I HOPE... when he retires he doesn't go around the media and run his mouth off... even about Obama. He only hurts himself and the ones who served underneath him.

Hope he just fads away like all us old soldiers are supposed to do.
 

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Interesting to see that the general who replaced McChrystal is the very same one who - in the minds of the lunatic Left - has already "Betrayed Us".
 

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You'd have to see as two theatre commanders inside of 2 years is an indication of an American military project in disarray. It would seem now that defeat.. read that a declaration of victory and an ignominious withdrawal is on the horizon.

Look at what was lost in Gen. McChrystal. He was without doubt the best operational flag officer in the U.S. military. His resume is a litany of taking on the most challenging and daunting missions in the U.S. and excelling in all of them.

These officers are rare birds. They have amazing abilities take on complex command situations. They can synthesize and improvise many competing elements and produce results.

They tend to move through the tactical ranks like a knife through butter, by being able to get things done and making superiors look good. But this more often than not with a disdain for formalities, trivialities and especially politics. It comes with the package. They do not suffer fools gladly and are often blunt and outspoken, and in a peacetime Army bureaucracy they usually peak out at Brigadier, before the political aspects of the job start biting with avengence at Major General.

Others in this mould in the U.S. military history have been Generals like Tecumseh Sherman and George Patton. Egotistical and insufferable to their superiors and political masters. But, in the latter case, when it came time to choose the best candidate to lead the tip of the spear of the Allied advance through Europe as head the Armoured Infantry, Patton was the only obvious choice. He would achieve objectives and he would do so with a minimum loss of life.

What is really distressing about all this is that McChrystal was relieved because of a tawdry piece of cynical yellow journalism. On hearsay and anonymous attributions presenting a false picture of a renegade General in gross insubordination of his political masters. Nothing could have been further from the truth. Nothing can be garnered from this other than some banter and griping of his staff in an off the record setting.

It is Obama who comes out poorly with this. As someone who have lost his objectivity, sense of scale. He is drifting.. scattered by the winds off the Gulf of Mexico. He appears weak and unwise, just the impression he tried to alleviate with this.

As far as Afghanistan goes, he has now put a consummate Army bureaucrat in charge with Patraeus. An insider, a competent administrator, but recovering from prostate cancer.. who will bring none of vitality and imagination to the job McChrystal did. In fact he is likely to resent his demotion to a role of subordinate to whoever fills his billet at Central Command.

Nothing good will come of this and the Taliban will press their advantage this summer.
 

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Do you have any idea of how many Commanding Generals in the Army of the Potomac were replaced during the US Civil War?

The guy they replaced him with, Petreas (sic I am sure) is a more popular and in my opinion a brighter officer. He sent the libs and democrats in a tizzy with his report on Iraq during the Bush era. Now the Dems are sending him back and hailing him as a new Stormin' Norman...as they should.

Bottom line...you can't speak out against the CIC regardless of what you think of him. Obama had no choice and did the right thing.
 

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Do you have any idea of how many Commanding Generals in the Army of the Potomac were replaced during the US Civil War?

The guy they replaced him with, Petreas (sic I am sure) is a more popular and in my opinion a brighter officer. He sent the libs and democrats in a tizzy with his report on Iraq during the Bush era. Now the Dems are sending him back and hailing him as a new Stormin' Norman...as they should.

Bottom line...you can't speak out against the CIC regardless of what you think of him. Obama had no choice and did the right thing.

Petreas will fail in Afghanistan....by now you must realize this thing is unwinnable.
 

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Do you have any idea of how many Commanding Generals in the Army of the Potomac were replaced during the US Civil War?

The guy they replaced him with, Petreas (sic I am sure) is a more popular and in my opinion a brighter officer. He sent the libs and democrats in a tizzy with his report on Iraq during the Bush era. Now the Dems are sending him back and hailing him as a new Stormin' Norman...as they should.

Bottom line...you can't speak out against the CIC regardless of what you think of him. Obama had no choice and did the right thing.


dont you guys weed the mc clellan types out of west point now?

get someone like stonewall or sherman over there, make them howl
 

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Mccrhystal should cross the rubicon and take power for himself that way he can do what he pleases the way he pleases

One thing wrong with that, he has no personal army, and so far no Sherman, Patton or Grant has emerged .


Nothing good will come of this and the Taliban will press their advantage this summer.

Actually that would be a BIG mistake on their part. It would be like a miniature TET offensive, they would destroy themselves as the Viet Cong did. Think about it, the VC destroyed themselves to the point of not having a say in the creation of the new Vietnam.
 

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One thing wrong with that, he has no personal army, and so far no Sherman, Patton or Grant has emerged .




Actually that would be a BIG mistake on their part. It would be like a miniature TET offensive, they would destroy themselves as the Viet Cong did. Think about it, the VC destroyed themselves to the point of not having a say in the creation of the new Vietnam.

But they brought the War into every US home - Militarily they lost - correct - They won the War from that point on. It was the pivotal moment in the War. More so than the SV Officer executing a known spy - remember that clip - down on his knees - pistol shot to the head - Same with that little girl - covered in burns from Napalm.

TET won the VC the War.
 

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But they brought the War into every US home - Militarily they lost - correct - They won the War from that point on. It was the pivotal moment in the War. More so than the SV Officer executing a known spy - remember that clip - down on his knees - pistol shot to the head - Same with that little girl - covered in burns from Napalm.

TET won the VC the War.

They were in every American home long before the TET offensive and it was really their war to win once we left. North Vietnam managed to take away the win and the war from the VC. (They were the popular movement) The only political winners were the North Vietnamese, they got what they wanted from the beginning.
 

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But they brought the War into every US home - Militarily they lost - correct - They won the War from that point on. It was the pivotal moment in the War. More so than the SV Officer executing a known spy - remember that clip - down on his knees - pistol shot to the head - Same with that little girl - covered in burns from Napalm.

TET won the VC the War.

I am reading a book about Kim Phuc right now - aptly named " The Girl in the Picture" by Denise Chong. Kim, her children and husband have lived in Canada since the 1990s.
 

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They were in every American home long before the TET offensive and it was really their war to win once we left. North Vietnam managed to take away the win and the war from the VC. (They were the popular movement) The only political winners were the North Vietnamese, they got what they wanted from the beginning.

The VC was obliterated at TET. However all that was moot as the objective was achieved and the NVA was still formidable.
 

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The similarities of Vietnam and Afghanistan have never been more clear.

Solutions, bomb China and Pakistan.

Didn't happen then, won't happen now.
 

ironsides

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The VC was obliterated at TET. However all that was moot as the objective was achieved and the NVA was still formidable.

No question about it, we won all the important battles and lost the people at home. The U.S. was just tired of the war that seemed to have no end.

The similarities of Vietnam and Afghanistan have never been more clear.

Solutions, bomb China and Pakistan.

Didn't happen then, won't happen now.
Cannot compare it to Afghanistan, in this case we do not have the leadership willing to do what it would take to end it. What are you talking about, bomb our ally Pakistan?


Some forget, China was also fought to a standstill in Vietnam after we left.