TWU law school snub

[BornRuff]

I KNOW, not one of you has read the Community covenant. No where does it mention homosexuality.

I have read it, and the policies around it, which is why I keep quoting it.

"sexual intimacy that violates the sacredness of marriage between a man and a woman"

"sexual intimacy is reserved for marriage between one man and one woman"

Do you not get that this explicitly makes any homosexual activity against the rules?

This argument fails miserably!

This is not any different than the policies of any other school. When you choose a school you agree to whatever code of conduct they may have and are liable to punitive action if you breech any part of that agreement.

It is different because one of their rules is explicitly about being homosexual.

 

[petros]

This argument fails miserably!

This is not any different than the policies of any other school. When you choose a school you agree to whatever code of conduct they may have and are liable to punitive action if you breech any part of that agreement.

Exactly. Those things are legally binding. TWU's extra additions aren't. They are a voluntary pledge to yourself and God.

 

[gerryh]

Point it out word for word. Here is the Covenant: https://twu.ca/studenthandbook/twu-community-covenant-agreement.pdf

Come on Paradox. Point out where they specify Homosexuals. Point out where they have expected anything different from "Queers" (god I hate that term), that they don't expect from hetro's.

 

[petros]

Do you not get that this explicitly makes any homosexual activity against the rules?

It is different because one of their rules is explicitly about being homosexual.

They aren't rules you dumb f-ck. Point out the alleged "rule" regarding homosexuality.

 

[BornRuff]

They aren't rules you dumb f-ck.

Lol, what are they then?

They are things that you have to agree to in order to attend the school, and if you break the agreement, you can be kicked out and banned from the school.

What should we call that?

Come on Paradox. Point out where they specify Homosexuals. Point out where they have expected anything different from "Queers" (god I hate that term), that they don't expect from hetro's.

"sexual intimacy that violates the sacredness of marriage between a man and a woman"

"sexual intimacy is reserved for marriage between one man and one woman"

Exactly. Those things are legally binding. TWU's extra additions aren't. They are a voluntary pledge to yourself and God.

lol, and the school, who can kick you out if you don't stick to the agreement.

 

[gerryh]

that's right, and that applies to ALL students.

 

[BornRuff]

that's right, and that applies to ALL students.

Yeah, all students are not allowed to engage in any sort of homosexual act.

It is like saying all students can't be black, so it's not discriminatory in any way.

 

[petros]

Lol, what are they then?

They are things that you have to agree to in order to attend the school, and if you break the agreement, you can be kicked out and banned from the school.

What should we call that?



"sexual intimacy that violates the sacredness of marriage between a man and a woman"

"sexual intimacy is reserved for marriage between one man and one woman"



lol, and the school, who can kick you out if you don't stick to the agreement.

How about you explain what makes it legally binding rules that wouldn't be shot down under the Charter. Do they really think a whack of lawyers didn't go over this long before it was adopted to ensure they wouldn't face a judge?

 

[BornRuff]

It has been fun guys, but the rules are written in black and white. You can keep trying to ignore that, but it doesn't change the facts.

If you think they don't intend to apply the rules as they are written, then why don't they change the rules?

 

[petros]

You really can't be that obtuse can you?

It has been fun guys, but the rules are written in black and white. You can keep trying to ignore that, but it doesn't change the facts.

If you think they don't intend to apply the rules as they are written, then why don't they change the rules?

Just f-ck off pork chop.

 

[BornRuff]

How about you explain what makes it legally binding rules that wouldn't be shot down under the Charter. Do they really think a whack of lawyers didn't go over this long before it was adopted to ensure they wouldn't face a judge?

Their position is that they are exempt from the human rights code in BC.

 

[petros]

They think that or you think that?

 

[PoliticalNick]

It is different because one of their rules is explicitly about being homosexual.

It isn't different. It is stated up front and agreed freely to by the student. There is no trickery involved, no entrapment or coercion.

If the rule were against the charter any student could challenge it. The fact this hasn't happened in all the years TWU has been in existence can only mean 2 things. First, as a private institution they are well within their rights to have such language in the agreement and any challenge would be thrown out. Second, these students choose to go there knowing the required commitment and 99.9% go there just for the environment provided by the agreement.

In all the crying about how terrible this policy is none of you against it recognize the decision to go to TWU is a conscious one made by people looking for the exact environment provided. To penalize these students for their desire to attend a school with the moral requirements in line with their personal beliefs is ludicrous. They are in essence being punished for being Christians and believing the biblical teaching of marriage and sexual behavior.

 

[petros]

Nick, none of their extras are rules. They are voluntary moral guidelines nothing more. The have no weight. The worst thing they can do is pray for somebody.

 

[BornRuff]

They think that or you think that?

If you have read about this at all, you would have seen that mentioned over and over again.

Here is one instance:

Proposed Christian law school at Trinity Western under fire because of university’s anti-gay rules

Nick, none of their extras are rules. They are voluntary moral guidelines nothing more. The have no weight. The worst thing they can do is pray for somebody.

Read.

"If a student, in the opinion of the University, is unable, refuses or fails to live up to their commitment, the University reserves the right to discipline, dismiss, or refuse a student’s re-admission to the University."

https://twu.ca/studenthandbook/university-policies/student-accountability-process.html

 

[gerryh]

Yeah, all students are not allowed to engage in any sort of homosexual act.

It is like saying all students can't be black, so it's not discriminatory in any way.

it says nothing about homosexual.

If my son went to that school, it would mean he would not be allowed to have sex outside of marriage. If he did, then he could be expelled. BTW he is heterosexual. It matters not the sexual preference. 2 gays, 2 lesbians, 2 hetero's, they would all be expelled for screwing around. Making this about homosexuals only, is showing your own prejudices. Your prejudices, paradox's, and the law society's.

 

[FiveParadox]

BornRuff has already posted the passages that clearly discriminate against anyone who would ever have an intimate relationship with someone of the same sex (i.e., any gay, lesbian, bisexual, or anyone of any number of other diverse sexualities). However, it turns out that the passage that I was quoting in the General University Policies (re: the broad statement on “homosexual behaviour”) was written out in a revision subsequent to 2008 when the Trinity Western University board of governors conducted a review of its policies. So, sorry about that, the “homosexual behaviour” line is no longer actually effective.

To argue, though, that the policy does not discriminate against homosexuals because the term “homosexual” is not used explicitly in the current language is ridiculous. The policy discriminates against folks in same-sex relationships. The only people who can engage in sexual intimacy in a manner that is consistent with the policies of Trinity Western University (I nearly convulse even considering that the University has policies on sexual intimacy, period) are people who have married someone of the opposite sex (excluding legally-recognized same-sex married couples).

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

I wonder how change will ever come within the ranks of Christianity when its members who are also advocating change find themselves under seige from the zealots who simply want to burn it all down.

 

[BornRuff]

It isn't different. It is stated up front and agreed freely to by the student. There is no trickery involved, no entrapment or coercion.

Lots of times people agree to things that are not right and not ethical. That is why we have a great number of laws that can't be overruled by entering into a contract.

If the rule were against the charter any student could challenge it. The fact this hasn't happened in all the years TWU has been in existence can only mean 2 things. First, as a private institution they are well within their rights to have such language in the agreement and any challenge would be thrown out. Second, these students choose to go there knowing the required commitment and 99.9% go there just for the environment provided by the agreement.

As mentioned above, TWU claims that they are exempt from the BC human rights code.

In all the crying about how terrible this policy is none of you against it recognize the decision to go to TWU is a conscious one made by people looking for the exact environment provided. To penalize these students for their desire to attend a school with the moral requirements in line with their personal beliefs is ludicrous. They are in essence being punished for being Christians and believing the biblical teaching of marriage and sexual behavior.

There are no students! The school doesn't exist!

If the school wants to be able to offer a law program that will be accredited, they only have a make a very simple change to their rules.

This isn't rocket science.

 

[PoliticalNick]

Nobody going to address the point that these students choose to go there usually because they want this environment and agree with the biblical teachings on the subject?

You guys are so caught up in the legalities of political correctness to see where the issue lies. The law society is effectively discriminating based upon the religious belief of the student.