Turning Point On the War?

moghrabi

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Re: RE: Turning Point On the War?

jimmoyer said:
Fairness.

Fairness is when he lets people pose their views without attacking them personally. He asked me to shut up. Is that fair, Jim?
 

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Brother :roll: Okay here we go round the mullberry bush again. Morg can post his links here, eaglesmack can post his, jimmy......well...if he has to 8O .....Eaglesmack, get use to it, if you can't than leave. Their are two sides to every coin, Wait I'll check and see if thats true...brb...Yes! its true. So refute him with your own links or whatever. We are all pretty much free around here.
 

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He asked me to shut up. Is that fair, Jim? --- moghrabi.

I'm a poor judge, moghrabi, afterall I had to apologize to you, but daggonit, moghrabi your umbrage would be more decent if, well, if you were less inciteful yourself, because it's not as if you've gone past the bounds of courtesy in your characterization of others on this board.

You can just see the progress or devolution of the snowball effect around here, or anywhere else there is debate.

I found a few barbs of your spear coming at me and so I thought you could take it as well as dish it out. Heck, you even said I had no clue. Imagine that ???

LOL.


But I got one thing narrowed down.

No one here is a pro-terrorist.
 

moghrabi

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Re: RE: Turning Point On the War?

jimmoyer said:
He asked me to shut up. Is that fair, Jim? --- moghrabi.

I'm a poor judge, moghrabi, afterall I had to apologize to you, but daggonit, moghrabi your umbrage would be more decent if, well, if you were less inciteful yourself, because it's not as if you've gone past the bounds of courtesy in your characterization of others on this board.

You can just see the progress or devolution of the snowball effect around here, or anywhere else there is debate.

I found a few barbs of your spear coming at me and so I thought you could take it as well as dish it out. Heck, you even said I had no clue. Imagine that ???

LOL.


But I got one thing narrowed down.

No one here is a pro-terrorist.


I am very clear of where I stand so there is no ambiguity about my posts. Where did I ever attack you personally Jim. It is a sign of weakness. But I agree with you on one thing that no one on this forum is a pro-terrorist. Only anti-Bush :lol:
 

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could the tide be turning??? Seems more Americans don't "like" bush and don't trust him.

kind of curious that since his ratings are getting lower, there has been no "terror alert" Usually when his "ratings" start to decrease, there has been a terror alert.

then again, he might not even be aware , as the guy doesn't bother to read newspapers and what he is told is usually favorable to him.
 

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then again, he might not even be aware , as the guy doesn't bother to read newspapers and what he is told is usually favorable to him.

Does he know how to read the newspaper? Or is it read for him?
 

Ocean Breeze

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Does he know how to read the newspaper? Or is it read for him

:wink:


Have to assume he has primary reading skills. but he has admitted that he doesn't bother with reading the newspaper. He relies mostly on what he is "told". (have read a fair bit about this , from various sources... )

and what he is told is selective.(and sanitized)

he (unfortunately) is not the most informed and knowledgeable leader on this planet. He is not aware or knowledgeable about many countries, where they are located, and the cultures of each.

......and IMHO......this is a liability.
 

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Whatever he wants to hear, I assume.

yes...... as he does not handle any negative feedback well, so he does not want to hear it, or will dismiss it as if it does not exist


underneath......(and this is my personal impression ) he is a very insecure person. What is interesting is that many dictator type leaders through out history have been very insecure and have had emtional problems..... so they try to control the outside world in their lives ........because they feel quite inadequate within themselves. Controlling the outside world, people gives them a sense of power.

There is an article somewhere on the internet....."Bush on the Couch." which offers some insight into the man.

(for eg: Hitler was a manic depressive. ( mood disorder in today's terms).. His moods would swing from one extreme to another. Now , if anyone knows this type of disorder.......one knows that when they are in the manic stage......they have delusions of grandeur , feel omnipotent and make extremely unrealistic decisions......usually based on control , greed or whatever.==and believe they can conquer the world. a kind of megalomania.

think Napoleon complex. too.
 

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RE: Turning Point On the

I always thought of it as more of a messiah complex. The man thinks he's on a mission from god. Pretty damned wacky.
 

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http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=8753677&src=eDialog/GetContent

executions ..alive and well in Iraq

Al Quada -alive and active in Iraq

at least 800 Iraqis died since the "election"

potential brewing for a civil war???


Ask yourself America..... is this what you wanted ?? Is it worth all this to gain a powerhold in a region that is resource rich ?? Is it worth all the lies you spun to have so many killed and a nation destroyed /turned into turmoil?? Did you not once consider all the possible consequences of your actions.??? Is getting rid of a leader that you at one time supported and then turned on him when it suited YOUR interests and greed?? Is this the kind of "freedom" you have granted to the Iraqis???

seems you have a hard time learning from your past mistakes. and this is the most troubling.
 

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http://www.gulfnews.com/Articles/OpinionNF.asp?ArticleID=168534


this gives a "tone" of things there.

Interesting that the US troops stay in fortified areas .....sending ill trained Iraqis to do the dirty work. Does this mean that they are comfortable only fighting from the air ....(dropping bombs)??

the biggest question that has not been addressed is:

Who is the US to decide what is best for the Iraqis???

How would the US like for another nation to decide what is best for the US??

seems a regime change in the US is just about as important as a regime change in nations that the US abhors.
 

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I marched against this "pre-emptive" invasion...to no avail.
However, the United States is now committed to stay the course in Iraq,at least under this president.
To withdraw would mean losing even more "international face",something the United States can ill afford right now.
The Iraqi situation will remain a quagmire,with more variables than a genetic string.
 

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Ocean Breeze said:
http://www.gulfnews.com/Articles/OpinionNF.asp?ArticleID=168534


this gives a "tone" of things there.

Interesting that the US troops stay in fortified areas .....sending ill trained Iraqis to do the dirty work. Does this mean that they are comfortable only fighting from the air ....(dropping bombs)??

the biggest question that has not been addressed is:

Who is the US to decide what is best for the Iraqis???

How would the US like for another nation to decide what is best for the US??

seems a regime change in the US is just about as important as a regime change in nations that the US abhors.

Ever hear of Fallujah?

The website is down for maintenence now but when it comes back they have all types of videos and pictures of the ground fighting in Fallujah.

But pictures and videos would probably mean nothing to you as facts do not seem to weigh into your arguments. The Marines have been out in the Anbar Province fighting everyday and winning.

http://www.fallujah.us/
 

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Just in case the link does not work.



3/2, ISF support 3/25 in ‘New Market’
Submitted by: 2nd Marine Division
Story Identification #: 20056994539
Story by Lance Cpl. Lucian Friel



HADITHA, Iraq (June 9, 2005) -- As night fell on the city of Haditha, Marines with Company K, 3rd Battalion, 2nd Marine Regiment, and Iraqi Security Forces headed into the northern part of the city to begin Operation New Market.

Co. K traveled from their area of operation, Al Qa’im, about a hundred miles north to support 3rd Battalion, 25th Marine Regiment’s efforts to root out insurgent activity in their area.

Operation New Market utilized offensive maneuvering to clear the city of Haditha, which included Company K clearing northern Haditha and setting up a blocking position to allow Marines with 3rd Battalion, 25th Marines, to clear the southern part of the city.

Two platoons with the company and a group of soldiers with the Reconnaissance Company, 7th Iraqi Division contributed to the mission’s success.

3rd Platoon was a part of the company’s main effort and for Lance Cpl Luis A. Cruz, a team leader with 3rd Squad, this would be only the second time he worked with the ISF.

“It’s a good thing to have them with us, because it lets the Iraqi people know that Americans are not trying to take over their country,” the Rochester, N.Y., native said. “I think it was a good experience for us, because they know things about Iraq that we don’t, and they can communicate easier with the locals.”

The ISF soldiers also appreciated the time they spend with the Marines and felt that it will better prepare them for assuming control of their country.

“I’ve worked with the Marines for about six months. I watch them and learn from them. These are good operations we do in Western Iraq, and I think they are helping my country become a better place for my people,” explained Gunnery Sgt. Aeshor Beghidan, 36, an Iraqi Security Forces platoon sergeant.

The Iraqi Recon Co. and the Marines worked together to clear the city, conducting cordon and knock operations and house to house searches, throughout the north.

During these cordon and knocks, Marines and the Iraqis received warm welcomes from the Iraqi citizens.

“The people were mostly real welcoming and hospitable, offering us food and drinks. They all allowed us to search their homes with no hesitation, which made our job easier,” Cruz, a 2002 Wilson Magnet High School graduate, explained.

The Marines and ISF cleared city block after city block, but the true reward for their efforts were found in the fields that they searched along with homes.

“We found about three good-sized weapons caches in fields that surrounded the city. We found over three hundred high-explosive mortar rounds, an RPK (machine gun), a rocket propelled grenade launcher and rounds, rocket boosters and a large amount of ammunition,” said Lance Cpl. Michael M. Miller, 21, a combat engineer with 3rd Platoon, Company B, 4th Combat Engineers Battalion, who found two of the caches using a mine detecting device.

Miller, a Harrisonburg, Va., native describes finding weapons caches as “an awesome feeling.”

“When we find things like that, we have just saved peoples lives. The insurgents can’t use these weapons anymore because we found them and blew them up. It makes me really happy and giddy inside,” explained the 2001 Fluvanna County High School graduate.

All in all, the Marines of Company K and the ISF felt that this mission was successful. They killed 12 insurgents, detained 30 suspected insurgents, found weapons caches and helped their fellow Marines accomplish their mission in a different area of operation.

“I think my team did a good job out here, and it was a good experience working with the Iraqi Recon soldiers. I look forward to continuing to work with them to stabilize their country,” Cruz explained.