Trump wants NAFTA to fail

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Unfortunately our population is far too small to even consider such a tactic. We must trade or at least export to survive and have anything close to the standard of living government employees get.

The message here is that any one nation that puts all of its eggs in one basket is exposed to risks associated with the vitality of that (export) economy in addition to one-way trade deals that they are forced to take.

Perhaps but that is not near as bad as a freeloader that exploits taxpayers because he/she is too lazy to work. Parasite would be upwardly mobile for those types of people.

Funny how that works, isn't it?

Cliffy pisses and moans about the proletariat being exploited while at the same time relies on the exploiter to provide for his every need.

makes you wonder exactly who is being exploited
 

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NAFA is a good deal for Canada, Canada and Mexico are the greatest beneficiaries of NAFA.

The US, not so much. They can do almost everything we do, we need them more than they need us.

Remember, we sell 87% of our exports to the US, but the US sells only 24% of their exports to us.

Anybody who thinks we can do without the USA is very ignorant.

Trump recognizes that the US is selling itself short, he plans to get a better deal, getting 50% content in domestic vehicles is just one example.
Canada is going to have to learn to just suck it up !!
With globalization Canada doesn’t need the U.S any longer. The U.S did well in the past because they had no competition but that’s now changed. Canada should tell the U.S to piss off.
 

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With globalization Canada doesn’t need the U.S any longer. The U.S did well in the past because they had no competition but that’s now changed. Canada should tell the U.S to piss off.

Canada still benefits from low transportation costs with the US. Sure open trade with the EU, or Asia, or Latin American could benefit us, but not nearly as much as open trade with the US can. Why? Well, is it cheaper to wheel a product from Seattle to Vancouver or ship it transpacific from Hong Kong to Vancouver? Same with transatlantic trade. We should trade with everyone, but let's not ignore natural geographical and demographic advantage. Plus, packaging and labeling is less expensive between countries with common languages too. All factors to consider.
 
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The message here is that any one nation that puts all of its eggs in one basket is exposed to risks associated with the vitality of that (export) economy in addition to one-way trade deals that they are forced to take.
Not really, any OPEC nation that tries to get into areas other than oil is wasting money. Hire others to create those things and buy it off them at a fair price. A rich nation has high unemployment for the locals, yet the poor class doesn't exist.
 

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With globalization Canada doesn’t need the U.S any longer. The U.S did well in the past because they had no competition but that’s now changed. Canada should tell the U.S to piss off.
If Canada does not need the US, then it should stop selling them 87% of our goods.
What a stupid post.

Seems like you have a lack of understanding of trade and globalization.
 

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I hate it when I agree with Durry: it makes me feel stupid. But yes, while trade with the rest of the world can benefit Canada, it should come as a supplement to and not as a replacement for trans-border trade.
 

Durry

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I hate it when I agree with Durry: it makes me feel stupid. But yes, while trade with the rest of the world can benefit Canada, it should come as a supplement to and not as a replacement for trans-border trade.
Well don’t feel bad, it’s normal for people in asylums to have strokes of genius, after all, it’s a thin line between crazy and genius, so when you agree with my brilliant Posts that’s when you occasionally cross into the genius side.

Keep reading my Posts carefully and hopefully you will cross into the genius side with me more often eh
 

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Canada still benefits from low transportation costs with the US.
The advantage disappears as soon as you factor in the fact that the US determines how much our dollar is worth compared to theirs.

Sure open trade with the EU, or Asia, or Latin American could benefit us,
We have to supply a product they are not already getting, so far that is a blank piece of paper so the next option is to under-bid their current supplier. Latin America and south are 3rd world nations so the items they need to come up to the level the EU is at is an endless list. That is the trade we should be trying to get a monopoly on who supplies them. Rather than push what we have that they don't need we have them give us a list and we fill the items on it by using what we have and creating it if we don't.
That leaves the US to trade between States and that is fine as that is the cheapest way to fix the interior so it is good for another 100 years.

but not nearly as much as open trade with the US can.
Only if the terms are right. When they already own the corporations most of the profits already go to them so the price it is sold at means next to nothing.

Why? Well, is it cheaper to wheel a product from Seattle to Vancouver or ship it transpacific from Hong Kong to Vancouver.
Now factor how much it costs to make that product and if we can supply it at the same volume that China can. China would ship cheap ready made clothes to Latin America while Canada would ship hemp that is in twine form and the people in Latin America turn that into fabric and make their own high quality clothes for them and for us using Canadian made sewing robots.

Same with transatlantic trade.
Nobody in the EU is lacking things. The Mid-east will see a reconstruction boom but those contracts will be going to Russia and China and India, so will all of Africa.

We should trade with everyone,
We should but we can't and we aren't big enough that we can muscle into an existing market at a global level.

but let's not ignore natural geographical and demographic advantage.
That is all we have, we should be selling snowbirds property in the high Arctic that is still indoor living for the most part but the attraction is the lights in the sky that are always changing so they never get boring.

Plus, packaging and labeling is less expensive between countries with common languages too. All factors to consider.
Good reason for Canada to go single language is it not?? If it can be printed on the packaging it hardly maters if it is instructions or artwork.

Well don’t feel bad, it’s normal for people in asylums to have strokes of genius, after all, it’s a thin line between crazy and genius, so when you agree with my brilliant Posts that’s when you occasionally cross into the genius side.

Keep reading my Posts carefully and hopefully you will cross into the genius side with me more often eh
Or just stay away from him and be with geniuses all the time rather than his (self claimed) 'rare moments'.
 

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If Canada does not need the US, then it should stop selling them 87% of our goods.
What a stupid post.

Seems like you have a lack of understanding of trade and globalization.
We sell them 87% of our goods while they call all the shots. Expanding trade with other countries isn’t stupid. Relying on trade with the U.S while we get shafted is stupid.
 

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We sell them 87% of our goods while they call all the shots. Expanding trade with other countries isn’t stupid. Relying on trade with the U.S while we get shafted is stupid.

So if your so smart why don’t you go and find clients to purchase 87% of our export products??

After all, it’s mainly the easterners who do most of the trade with the US and it’s the easterners who are purchasing oil from the US.
 

AMKiller

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If Canada does not need the US, then it should stop selling them 87% of our goods.
What a stupid post.

Seems like you have a lack of understanding of trade and globalization.

The U.S are bullies. They impose sanctions and starve people that don’t buy their dollar and play by their rules. Canada needs to rely less on America and stop playing a role in American hegemony.

So if your so smart why don’t you go and find clients to purchase 87% of our export products??

After all, it’s mainly the easterners who do most of the trade with the US and it’s the easterners who are purchasing oil from the US.
Finding trading partners isn’t hard. CETA is a step in the right direction. China and India can easily fill that gap.
 

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We sell them 87% of our goods while they call all the shots. Expanding trade with other countries isn’t stupid. Relying on trade with the U.S while we get shafted is stupid.

Of course we should trade with the rest of the world, but we still should at least try to promote open trade with the US too. It doesn't have to be a zero sum game.
 

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The U.S are bullies. They impose sanctions and starve people that don’t buy their dollar and play by their rules. Canada needs to rely less on America and stop playing a role in American hegemony.


Finding trading partners isn’t hard. CETA is a step in the right direction. China and India can easily fill that gap.
When will all you America haters realize Canada goes not trade with the US . Canadian Companies trade with American Companies .
 

AMKiller

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When will all you America haters realize Canada goes not trade with the US . Canadian Companies trade with American Companies .
I wear “America hater” as a badge of honour.

America bullies countries to play by their rules, if they don’t they sanction and starve the people of those countries.

Eff America.
 

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Finding trading partners isn’t hard. CETA is a step in the right direction. China and India can easily fill that gap.
Sure Dude, easy to find other trading partners, just find a computer link, do a few point and clicks and it's all done eh!!

Trading with a couple of the most corrupt countries in the world, like India and China, will make for a great trading relationship eh.

Oh, and one other thing, I think you have to learn to toughen the fk up if you want to do international trade.
 

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Of course we should trade with the rest of the world, but we still should at least try to promote open trade with the US too. It doesn't have to be a zero sum game.
We are already gifting them things. Increasing that won't make us better neighbors. Canada should just gift the US the first 700 miles north of the border as theirs, lock stock an barrel and the rest will remain as Canada, a foreign country.
 

AMKiller

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You're American.
I am not, I’m Canadian. I’m not arrogant enough to refer to myself as American.

Sure Dude, easy to find other trading partners, just find a computer link, do a few point and clicks and it's all done eh!!

Trading with a couple of the most corrupt countries in the world, like India and China, will make for a great trading relationship eh.

Oh, and one other thing, I think you have to learn to toughen the fk up if you want to do international trade.
There is NO nation more corrupt than the United States. They are so corrupt they corrupt other countries to do their bidding.

You’re afraid of brown people, toughen up yourself, snowflake.