Trudeau sounds alarm - Steel, Aluminum Tariffs by US

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They have an agenda. I'm not there to have a peek. More will be revealed in the coming days.
 

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Trump’s new economic adviser called Trudeau a ‘left-wing crazy guy’ — but he sides with Canada on NAFTA, tariffs

WASHINGTON—There is good news and bad news for Prime Minister Justin Trudeau in U.S. President Donald Trump’s choice for chief economic adviser.
The bad news first. Trump’s new director of the National Economic Council, conservative economic pundit Larry Kudlow, two weeks ago called Trudeau a “left-wing crazy guy.”
The good news, which is probably more important: Kudlow has been a staunch ally of Trudeau’s trade agenda and an enthusiastic advocate of harmonious economic relations with Canada.
In appearances on CNBC business television and on his radio show this month, Kudlow has forcefully defended the North American Free Trade Agreement — “NAFTA going down, which could come after (the steel and aluminum tariffs), would be a terrible thing for our economy,” he said on CNBC on March 2 — and free trade more broadly: “I still feel the more free trade we have, the better we are.”
As Trump was contemplating steel and aluminum tariffs on Canada, Kudlow said on CNBC: “NAFTA is the key. And unfortunately we’re going after a major NAFTA ally, and perhaps America’s greatest ally, namely Canada. Even with this left-wing crazy guy Trudeau, they’re still our pals. They’re still our pals. Why are we going after them? Kudlow is replacing Gary Cohn, another supporter of free trade, who resigned last week after Trump decided to implement the tariffs over his opposition. There had been some concern among Canada’s trade advocates that Trump would replace Cohn with someone more aligned with his own protectionist instincts.
Instead, he chose an ardent free-trader. Kudlow, a proponent of conservative “supply-side” economic theory that favours tax cuts, was an economic official in the Ronald Reagan administration that initiated Canada-U.S. free trade talks.
It is not certain, of course, how much influence Kudlow will have with Trump — nor how forcefully he will press his views on trade. He told the Associated Press on Wednesday that he was “in accord” with Trump on policy, though that was clearly not the case on all issues as recently as last week.“He’s so good on taxes. He’s so good on tax cuts. He’s so good on deregulation, infrastructure. I haven’t liked him on immigration. He’s never been good on trade,” Kudlow said on CNBC on March 2.
 

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I saw Trump's comments to Justin about the U.S. being in a trade deficit with Canada, which is incorrect, at least in the broadest sense of the term and including all resources, goods and services. Canada is in a net deficit in trade with the U.S..

It sounds like Trudeau didn't press that case even though Trump is musing about putting punitive tarriffs on Canadian imports. Justin just fluttered, groveled and postured as is his habit.

These trade negotiations are likely to be a disaster. Justin is always on the defensive, clueless, visionless and will be continually outflanked by Trump. We should be aiming to use this as an opportunity to refocus trade on value added product, instead of unprocessed raw material (like crude oil) to reestablish an integrated national industrial economy.. rather than as a colonial outpost of the American economy.

But Trudeau is just an effeminate, pie eyed nitwit. I know he'll sell us out. Trump is a panther waiting to pounce on a fluffy little bunny rabbit like Justin.
 
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Of course he would, sweetie. Lunch time already?
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The art of the deal. Trump is bargaining from a position of power. He knows what he wants, and the deal will favour the US.
 

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Trudeau a ‘left-wing crazy guy’



All one need do is review how he has acted on the international stage to agree with this statement


Kudlow is a classic NeoCon. I don't know why Trump appoints these globalist economic liberals as Economic Advisors... like the little lamented Gary Cohn. I get the feeling its just about window dressing because we all know Trump doesn't take their advice. I suspect Kudlow will find himself sidelined like Cohn.. and unconventional nationalists like Navarro will have Trump's ear.
 

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Falling asleep in geography class, sweetie? PM me and I'll send some reading suggestions for the classes that bore you.

When I was younger, we had a wonderful book series abut boys your age who were detectives! The Hardy Boys.

It seems Trump has Trudeau on the ropes.
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Trudeau dodged Trump's steel tariffs with frantic lobbying — now he's angling to save NAFTA

Canada's NAFTA push mirrors its tariff push -- call as many people as you can, and allies indicate all that pressure seems to be working

Donald Trump is already taking up a lot of Justin Trudeau’s bandwidth. Steel tariffs sent it to another level.

The Canadian prime minister is on an impromptu tour of steel and aluminum country this week, a denim-clad, open-collared victory lap with workers after Canada and Mexico were excluded from new U.S. tariffs. The exemption came after frenzied lobbying by the Trudeau government, throughout Washington and as far away as Seoul and Berlin.

On tariffs, as with renegotiation of the North American Free Trade Agreement, Canada’s strategy with Trump has been to play nice and cultivate allies far and wide. It hasn’t been painless, as Canada’s dollar and business sentiment slump. The question for Trudeau is whether he can keep pressure up to secure a permanent exemption from Trump’s levies and seal a NAFTA deal before Mexican and U.S. elections upend the political climate.

Trudeau dodged Trump’s steel tariffs with frantic lobbying

There is panic in Ottawa.
 

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The NAFTA agreement is difficult to break, but that doesn't stop Ottawa from going into a spin.
 

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Absolutely, but agreements change and are modified over time. This is not a case of Canada being punished, although there are people that would like to spin it in that direction. It is about getting the best deal possible. Renegotiating existing contracts happens all the time in business.

Trump knows that more people depend on Twitter or other short burst news sources to "determine the facts". He's just moved to post on how negotiations happen. Not to be outdone, traditional news media must also keep up on it. They will write stories about what people are talking about at work or the store.
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Ontario, New Brunswick most impacted if NAFTA implodes, B.C. least impacted: Moody's
The next most impacted provinces would be Quebec, Manitoba, and Prince Edward Island
- Jesse Snyder, March 15, 2018

Ontario and New Brunswick would be most exposed to a collapse of the North American Free Trade Agreement, just as looming elections in Mexico and the U.S. place new urgency on reaching a final agreement in the talks, according to Moody’s Investors Service.

A new report Thursday by the ratings agency also found that resource-rich provinces Alberta, Saskatchewan and Newfoundland and Labrador would see a muted impact from a NAFTA fallout, largely because commodities are not expected to face higher tariffs if the agreement is scrapped.

Moody’s determined the economic impacts by assessing the relative size of provincial exports to the U.S. as a share of gross domestic product, as well as the type of industries most dominant in each respective province.

Exports to the U.S. by New Brunswick account for 28.5 per cent of its total GDP, the highest in the country. Ontario was next highest at 26 per cent. The report also said that Ontario’s sizeable manufacturing sector, particularly auto, is highly exposed to increased tariffs due to its integrated supply chain with the U.S.

The report comes as election cycles in Mexico and the U.S. draw nearer, placing a potential deadline on the ongoing trade talks. It follows months of prolonged uncertainty over the agreement, as the U.S. has continued to bring new demands to the table. Officials now hope to close the talks by March 31.

Ontario, New Brunswick most impacted if NAFTA implodes, B.C. least impacted: Moody’s | Ottawa Citizen
 

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There never was a threat.

Threats come in many forms.

It would/will only be a matter of time before the American public understand that these tariffs will act in increasing their cost of living.

Trump is walking the tight-rope to a degree

A new report Thursday by the ratings agency also found that resource-rich provinces Alberta, Saskatchewan and Newfoundland and Labrador would see a muted impact from a NAFTA fallout, largely because commodities are not expected to face higher tariffs if the agreement is scrapped.

The US has, in the past, relied on Cdn oil as a significant part of their energy security policy

That said, in a trade war between the 2 nations, Ottawa could conceivably introduce an export tax on oil, grains, softwood, etc.

I'll wager that Canada's trade deficit with the US would do a 180 if Ottawa took actions to move the price of crude to simple market value rather than the discounted rates we have currently
 

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I used to buy that years ago. As I recall, they only imported one Appleton's product into Canada. Either Estate or Special. One was over proof and they wouldn't or couldn't bring it in.
 
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I used to buy that years ago. As I recall, they only imported one Appleton's product into Canada. Either Esatte or Special. One was over proof and they wouldn't or couldn't bring it in.

I've had smuggled overproof Appleton's in my life a few times. There is so much alcohol in it that you can feel the alcohol boiling off of your lips (No, you don't mix it with sody-pop).