Trudeau promised to kill FPTP by next election

[gerryh]

His house whip will not like those lose lips. It's been a while since they had anything in the House and they my have to re-learn the "party discipline" thing, again.

What was it that Trudeau the Elder called them? "... a bunch of nobodies"

A good party whip will have all of those new backbenchers performing like trained seals in no time. The old Jedis in the Liberal Party will fill the PMO with handlers to keep the lid on the kid and you will think that it's 1986 all over again.

Obviously many have already forgotten that Trudeau informed his MP's and his future MP's that they HAD to vote the party line in regards to Abortion. They would not be allowed to vote their conscience and a potential candidate did not support "pro choice" then they could not run for the Liberal party.

 

[DaSleeper]

They would end up like Nunziata......

 

[PoliticalNick]

And which Canadians will benefit?
If Canada goes to PR, then which ridings get screwed into a rep of the party they don't want? That's the ultimate result that the proponents never seem to have an answer for...

All and none at the same time. You get the one you voted for and one more from each of the other parties. ;-)

In other news the govt of Canada is accepting bids to renovate the House of commons to accomodate 660 new seats in the house and office space for another 4000 support staff. They estimate the cost at roughly $27 billion before furnishings. 8O

 

[mentalfloss]

and there is his first big lie

Are you saying there will be zero free votes?

 

[davesmom]

We live in times where no party should assume they will get re-elected ever.

That said, they should just do the right thing to benefit Canadians.

I agree x2.
But who decides what is the right thing to benefit Canadians? Referendum on serious issues would be a step in the right direction.
There is no reason why referundums could not be held easily. Each Representative needs only canvas his constituents by e-mail or snail mail to get their opinions. It is the opinions and wishes of the majority of constituents that the Representative should vote on. That would be true democracy. For a change.

 

[gerryh]

Are you saying there will be zero free votes?

before he was even PM he was telling his MP's how to vote. I would say that actions are worth more than words.

 

[PoliticalNick]

Free vote....lol. He obviously has trouble reading. It says Liberal on his signs not Libertarian.

 

[damngrumpy]

I live in BC and God I don't want to go through this again.
The only thing that will happen is plumping I would vote
one candidate to deprive the others from a second or
third choice I vote for one and one only and most would
not vote one party for one position and another for
something else.

 

[AnnaG]

It would interesting to see if he has that kind of integrity considering it would really be against his interests. He could try doing what the BC Liberals did. They held two referendums on changing the electoral system, which would have been against their interest, and they both failed. I don't imagine the rest of Canada supports PR or STV more than BC, and you couldn't really blame the Liberals for breaking that promise if it fails in a referendum.

PR might have seemed good to the Liberals when it looked like the left would be permanently divided. Now the NDP surge looks more like a blip and a consequence of the sponsorship scandal. If the Liberals manage a decent government and a re-election in 4 years we'll just be back to business as usual. The Conservatives will slowly shed their Reformist tendencies and the NDP will be stuck wallowing with a handful of MPs.

Yeah, you should also remember that to the Gliberals back then, a "majority" was not anything over 50%. After the dust settled in the 2005 referendum, about 58% of the people had voted for electoral reform but to the Gliberal gov't here, that was not a majority. WHat the Gliberals called a "majority" was that the the reform needed 60 % approval and 50 % approval in at least 60 % of the province's electoral districts in order to succeed. It's usually called "moving the goalposts" in here.

At any rate, I do not really put much weight on what politicians promise or say. Actions speak louder. so we have to wait and see what Prime Minister Fine Arts Degree does.

 

[PoliticalNick]

Yeah, you should also remember that to the Gliberals back then, a "majority" was not anything over 50%. After the dust settled in the 2005 referendum, about 58% of the people had voted for electoral reform but to the Gliberal gov't here, that was not a majority. WHat the Gliberals called a "majority" was that the the reform needed 60 % approval and 50 % approval in at least 60 % of the province's electoral districts in order to succeed. It's usually called "moving the goalposts" in here.

At any rate, I do not really put much weight on what politicians promise or say. Actions speak louder. so we have to wait and see what Prime Minister Fine Arts Degree does.

A Fine Arts Degree and $2 can get you a cup of coffee. ;-)

 

[mentalfloss]

before he was even PM he was telling his MP's how to vote. I would say that actions are worth more than words.

I would say you are simplifying things for your convenient prejudice.

Yeah, you should also remember that to the Gliberals back then, a "majority" was not anything over 50%. After the dust settled in the 2005 referendum, about 58% of the people had voted for electoral reform but to the Gliberal gov't here, that was not a majority. WHat the Gliberals called a "majority" was that the the reform needed 60 % approval and 50 % approval in at least 60 % of the province's electoral districts in order to succeed. It's usually called "moving the goalposts" in here.

At any rate, I do not really put much weight on what politicians promise or say. Actions speak louder. so we have to wait and see what Prime Minister Fine Arts Degree does.

http://forums.canadiancontent.net/canadian-politics/138439-trudeau-pulling-troops-out-isis.html

 

[AnnaG]

I would say you are simplifying things for your convenient prejudice.



http://forums.canadiancontent.net/canadian-politics/138439-trudeau-pulling-troops-out-isis.html

Get real. I have never ever assessed anyone on one single action in my life and will not start now. I said, "actionS speak louder". And I am not even sure that accepting refugees is the wisest choice in this case.

 

[gerryh]

I would say you are simplifying things for your convenient prejudice.

It was one of the reason's I, and many of my family, did not vote Liberal this time. It is a big deal. For him to say he will allow free votes right after taking away the right to vote freely on something that has always been a "free vote" tells me that he is lying through his teeth on this one. It makes me wonder what else he is going to "take away".

Get real. I have never ever assessed anyone on one single action in my life and will not start now. And I am not even sure that accepting refugees is the wisest choice in this case.

The first line was directed at me...look at the quotes.

 

[AnnaG]

ah My apologies.

 

[mentalfloss]

Get real. I have never ever assessed anyone on one single action in my life and will not start now. I said, "actionS speak louder". And I am not even sure that accepting refugees is the wisest choice in this case.

All you asked is if he started doing things.

I showed he started doing things.


It was never an attempt to look at his entire platform and make some decision about him based on all of those actions.

He just started his first day today lol

ah My apologies.

No worries.

It was one of the reason's I, and many of my family, did not vote Liberal this time. It is a big deal. For him to say he will allow free votes right after taking away the right to vote freely on something that has always been a "free vote" tells me that he is lying through his teeth on this one. It makes me wonder what else he is going to "take away".

That doesn't reveal a lie at all.

It just reveals you were passionate about one issue and that is clouding your judgment.

 

[AnnaG]

All you asked is if he started doing things.

Where? I remember making a statement regarding actions, but do not remember asking a question.

I showed he started doing things.

And you got a reply.

It was never an attempt to look at his entire platform and make some decision about him based on all of those actions.

He just started his first day today lol

His platform is not an action. It is a list. =)

No worries.

=)

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

All you asked is if he started doing things.

I showed he started doing things.


It was never an attempt to look at his entire platform and make some decision about him based on all of those actions.

He just started his first day today lol

Technically he has held a rally and flew to Ottawa. He has said he will name cabinet on 11/04. Those are his accomplishments today as he is not PM yet. That's why they stick that delegate name after him.

 

[mentalfloss]

Hey AnnaG.

I just got the general impression that you wanted to know if he was acting on anything and that was just one thing he was acting on.

I'm sure we will begin to see more decisions come to fruition over the next few weeks and you won't be disappointed.

 

[AnnaG]

Well, assumptions being what they are ....

As I said, we shall have to wait and see.

 

[Mowich]

His house whip will not like those lose lips. It's been a while since they had anything in the House and they my have to re-learn the "party discipline" thing, again.

What was it that Trudeau the Elder called them? "... a bunch of nobodies"

A good party whip will have all of those new backbenchers performing like trained seals in no time. The old Jedis in the Liberal Party will fill the PMO with handlers to keep the lid on the kid and you will think that it's 1986 all over again.

Been there, done that............not the least interested in a replay.........thankyou.