Trudeau cabinet approves Trans Mountain, Line 3 pipelines, rejects Northern Gateway
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Yes, Trudeau killing a plan hatched under Martin is a big Liberal win and ecofascists are ecstatic with being f-cked over.
Now let's see what the government does about TFW. If jobs continue to be fanned out to foreign workers to save the CEO's a few bucks, then During the boost, lot's of people were being sent back home, because their jobs were given to people who did not even speak English, or had any experienced. A bud who works in the oil field was telling me that these guys being brought in, not only had no experience, they were putting the crews in danger!
oops sorry, hit post too quickly there
Now let's see what the government does about TFW. If jobs continue to be fanned out to foreign workers to save the CEO's a few bucks, then it is not such a good deal for the workers. During the boost, lot's of people were being sent back home, because their jobs were given to people who did not even speak English, or had any experienced. A bud who works in the oil field was telling me that these guys being brought in, not only had no experience, they were putting the crews in danger!
oops sorry, hit post too quickly there
Now let's see what the government does about TFW. If jobs continue to be fanned out to foreign workers to save the CEO's a few bucks, then it is not such a good deal for the workers. During the boost, lot's of people were being sent back home, because their jobs were given to people who did not even speak English, or had any experienced. A bud who works in the oil field was telling me that these guys being brought in, not only had no experience, they were putting the crews in danger!
Like you did when you were busy condemning the oil sands and laughing while Ft. Mac burned? Yeah, you sure showed your ideological zealotry, cheering while the people who work the oil sands that you suddenly love cuz Trudeau does, were losing their homes.
You keep linking our oil sands to climate change and yet you idiotically think that somehow because Trulydumb is initiating a nation carbon tax and carbon pricing, the oil being produced won't cause any GHGs.
You were dead set against Keystone XL, not because it was Enbridge building it but because you went along with narrative about how the oil sands are one of the worst contributors to global warming.
So, by your logic, pumping oil to the US is bad. But shipping that same oil overseas to Asian markets is great because Trudeau is doing it.
You're such a moron.
I've listened to too much stupidity about the oil industry in general. I'm going to add two bits worth for one last time. Oil will continue to be a widely necessary commodity for the next 100 years at least. With 10 billion automobiles in the world, nobody is going to be running them on wind power, wave power, solar power, chicken manure power any time within our life times. Vehicles are only one use for oil products. We are not going to be heating and cooling our homes with wind, wave or chicken manure any time soon either. Mind you with all the hot air emerging from these environmental protestors there's probably enough heat being generated to heat the homes in a place the size of Chicago. I'm getting tired of hearing all their sh*t!
Trudeau, Notley and Trans Mountain: In your face, Mr. Kenney
iPolitics Insights
EDMONTON — There was some jubilation — not much, really — here yesterday in Alberta’s provincial capital. The mood could be described more as one of relief than joy … relief that a Liberal government has conditionally approved the Kinder Morgan Trans Mountain expansion to Burnaby, even as it forever shelved Enbridge’s proposed Northern Gateway pipeline to Kitimat.
The approval of the Line 3 project to Wisconsin was seen as Ottawa throwing Enbridge a bone, compensation for the death of its controversial Northern Gateway proposal.
Pipeline politics is a delicate matter, typically consumed by conflicting interests of economic growth, energy security, environmental protection and national unity. Prime Minister Trudeau insisted that his cabinet’s decision was based on evidence, not politics. But the politics was everywhere you looked.
It started with the PM making the announcement himself, flanked by numerous ministers at the National Press Gallery. He could have handed the announcement off to a minister, or consigned it to a press release. But Justin Trudeau is the face of his government; announcements of this magnitude require the participation of his political currency.
Everything about this announcement was political. Alberta Premier Rachel Notley was in Ottawa to soak up some rare praise for her carbon tax policy and express her gratitude to Trudeau. Vancouver Mayor Gregor Robinson and Greenpeace spokesman Mike Hudema were available to express their predictable “outrage” — the latter man’s doomsday predictions undercut somewhat by his claim that that the 157 binding conditions, pending court challenges and political protests mean the pipeline probably will never get built anyway. Green Party Leader Elizabeth May vowed that she was ready to go to jail to block the project; her party used her statement in a fundraising e-mail. Indigenous groups claim they were “betrayed” by the announcement.
Interim Conservative Leader Rona Ambrose took to the mic to decry the loss of Northern Gateway — conveniently forgetting that she was part of a cabinet that approved the project but couldn’t get it built.
Even Trudeau’s language was laced with political nuance: “We are directing the National Energy Board to discontinue the approval process for the Northern Gateway.” Northern Gateway had been conditionally approved both by the NEB and the Harper government, subject to over 200 conditions. Ambrose is correct: There really was no need to close the file. It could have been rerouted to Prince Rupert, or even farther north. Closing the file was a political decision — one the PM is entitled to make, but a political decision nonetheless.
(And what is a “binding condition”? Are conditions ever voluntary? By using the term, the federal government only wanted to remind its detractors that it means business as a regulator.)
The NDP’s existential crisis just got worse. Its only governing leader, Rachel Notley, is claiming victory — while the federal NDP still deals with the lingering fallout of the Leap Manifesto, which it debated (ironically) in Edmonton six months ago. Trudeau threw Premier Notley a curious credit: He indicated that if it had not been for Alberta’s responsible conduct in introducing a carbon tax and phasing out coal-fired electrical generation, Trans Mountain could not have been approved.
I say ‘curious’ because, in light of federal announcements, Alberta’s carbon plans are largely symbolic. The Trudeau government has indicated that if the provinces do not put a price on carbon, the feds will impose a national standard on them. Alberta is getting a carbon tax whether it’s Notley’s idea or someone else’s.
That’s not meant to underplay the political significance of this announcement in Alberta. Politicians here are generally united on the need to get energy resources to tidewater, to sell our oil at the world price instead of the devalued Western Canada Select price. For the entire 18 months she’s been in office, Notley has argued that only by putting a price on carbon could Alberta create the “social licence” it needs to get a conduit to tidewater.
https://ipolitics.ca/2016/11/30/trudeau-notley-and-trans-mountain-in-your-face-mr-kenney/
iPolitics Insights
EDMONTON — There was some jubilation — not much, really — here yesterday in Alberta’s provincial capital. The mood could be described more as one of relief than joy … relief that a Liberal government has conditionally approved the Kinder Morgan Trans Mountain expansion to Burnaby, even as it forever shelved Enbridge’s proposed Northern Gateway pipeline to Kitimat.
The approval of the Line 3 project to Wisconsin was seen as Ottawa throwing Enbridge a bone, compensation for the death of its controversial Northern Gateway proposal.
Pipeline politics is a delicate matter, typically consumed by conflicting interests of economic growth, energy security, environmental protection and national unity. Prime Minister Trudeau insisted that his cabinet’s decision was based on evidence, not politics. But the politics was everywhere you looked.
It started with the PM making the announcement himself, flanked by numerous ministers at the National Press Gallery. He could have handed the announcement off to a minister, or consigned it to a press release. But Justin Trudeau is the face of his government; announcements of this magnitude require the participation of his political currency.
Everything about this announcement was political. Alberta Premier Rachel Notley was in Ottawa to soak up some rare praise for her carbon tax policy and express her gratitude to Trudeau. Vancouver Mayor Gregor Robinson and Greenpeace spokesman Mike Hudema were available to express their predictable “outrage” — the latter man’s doomsday predictions undercut somewhat by his claim that that the 157 binding conditions, pending court challenges and political protests mean the pipeline probably will never get built anyway. Green Party Leader Elizabeth May vowed that she was ready to go to jail to block the project; her party used her statement in a fundraising e-mail. Indigenous groups claim they were “betrayed” by the announcement.
Interim Conservative Leader Rona Ambrose took to the mic to decry the loss of Northern Gateway — conveniently forgetting that she was part of a cabinet that approved the project but couldn’t get it built.
Even Trudeau’s language was laced with political nuance: “We are directing the National Energy Board to discontinue the approval process for the Northern Gateway.” Northern Gateway had been conditionally approved both by the NEB and the Harper government, subject to over 200 conditions. Ambrose is correct: There really was no need to close the file. It could have been rerouted to Prince Rupert, or even farther north. Closing the file was a political decision — one the PM is entitled to make, but a political decision nonetheless.
(And what is a “binding condition”? Are conditions ever voluntary? By using the term, the federal government only wanted to remind its detractors that it means business as a regulator.)
The NDP’s existential crisis just got worse. Its only governing leader, Rachel Notley, is claiming victory — while the federal NDP still deals with the lingering fallout of the Leap Manifesto, which it debated (ironically) in Edmonton six months ago. Trudeau threw Premier Notley a curious credit: He indicated that if it had not been for Alberta’s responsible conduct in introducing a carbon tax and phasing out coal-fired electrical generation, Trans Mountain could not have been approved.
I say ‘curious’ because, in light of federal announcements, Alberta’s carbon plans are largely symbolic. The Trudeau government has indicated that if the provinces do not put a price on carbon, the feds will impose a national standard on them. Alberta is getting a carbon tax whether it’s Notley’s idea or someone else’s.
That’s not meant to underplay the political significance of this announcement in Alberta. Politicians here are generally united on the need to get energy resources to tidewater, to sell our oil at the world price instead of the devalued Western Canada Select price. For the entire 18 months she’s been in office, Notley has argued that only by putting a price on carbon could Alberta create the “social licence” it needs to get a conduit to tidewater.
https://ipolitics.ca/2016/11/30/trudeau-notley-and-trans-mountain-in-your-face-mr-kenney/
Yes and the Liberals also support Keystone XL.
But we didn't have carbon pricing then, so the circumstances were different.
But we didn't have carbon pricing then, so the circumstances were different.