Trudeau announces Amira Elghawaby as Canada's first representative to combat Islamophobia

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The head Jew (would that be Jesus Christ?) is calling you anti-dentite Semite?
Sure that wasn’t one of those glass pipe folks wandering the old neighbourhood?
Israel, bad idea or not, happened and it’s still exists and is something that needs to be addressed in an area of the world where three different major religions intersect on their origins and 40% of the worlds oil currently flows out of.

After pretty much anybody, who’s actually interested in learning about it, has had a crash course on that area for the last two years, many are just ignorantly uninformed but vocal anyway, and perhaps it’s one of those many that is throwing out that derogatory term?
JC? For real? God who was pissed at Jews showed up in the flesh to worship himself
as a member of a group he broke the "chosen" contract with? That makes as much sense as the term Judeo-Christian.

Seriously. Who is the head Jew? Is he a Semite or a white guy from Ukraine?
 

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JC? For real? God who was pissed at Jews showed up in the flesh to worship himself
as a member of a group he broke the "chosen" contract with? That makes as much sense as the term Judeo-Christian.
I’m on the outside of the religious end of things. It’s more of a curiosity for me, but that’s about it.
Seriously. Who is the head Jew? Is he a Semite or a white guy from Ukraine?
I thought he was from that local neighbourhood, mother was Mary, father was questionable but narrowed down to a few potentials, kinda like the afternoon talk shows 30 years ago when I watched one last.

How close am I on picturing how this all went down?
Pete: “Get out’a my damn recycle bin, and pick up all the shit you’ve spread all over the place again!!

Other Dude: “Fuck you you settler honky anti-Semite colonial oppressor who baths on a regular basis!!

Pete: “Buddy, you’re whiter that I am, and pick that shit up that you’ve spread all over the place…again!!

Other Dude: “I’m in a gang! Do you know who I am? I have a right to free range something something cracker!”

Pete: “Do you even understand half of the horse shit coming out of your own mouth? Seriously dude, pick that shit up and move along.

Other Dude, shuffling along slowly while screaming obscenities over his shoulder without picking up the mess he made: “Unintelligible obscenities, and threats of coming back with a gang of Apple dumplings, with the assumption that he could actually find your place twice in the same day, etc…”
???
 

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I’m on the outside of the religious end of things. It’s more of a curiosity for me, but that’s about it.

I thought he was from that local neighbourhood, mother was Mary, father was questionable but narrowed down to a few potentials, kinda like the afternoon talk shows 30 years ago when I watched one last.

How close am I on picturing how this all went down?

???
Not good. Read the book. Its far different from the screenplay.
 
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None of these protesters seemed vaguely aware that peace talks were in the works, ushered in by United States President Donald Trump, and that it is Hamas, a listed terrorist organization in Canada, that is holding the plan up, and no time during their chants did they act like people who were aware they were celebrating a terror attack that happened only two years ago.
A ceasefire between Israel and Hamas held in Gaza for a third day on Sunday with the release of still living Israeli hostages and anticipated release of 2000-ish Palestinian prisoners and an address by U.S. President Donald Trump to Israel's parliament.
1760366888615.jpegOn that positive note, police officers and several people were injured after thousands of pro-Palestine protesters took to the streets of Bern on Saturday, police said on Sunday, adding the demonstration was unauthorised.
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The protest in the Swiss capital against Israel's war in Gaza turned violent when police tried to restrict the movement of the protesters, who were throwing objects and bricks, police told a press conference.
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Such confrontations are rare for Switzerland, although a pro-Gaza protest on October 2 in Geneva also led to clashes between police and protesters.

More than 50 properties in Bern were damaged, with windows smashed and graffiti sprayed on buildings, police said. The damage was likely to run into millions of Swiss francs, SRF reported, adding the rally was organized by pro-Palestinian groups from across Switzerland.
As the protest began, stalls were selling keffiyeh scarves while people handed out placards for protesters. During the march, slogans such as "stop arming Israel" and "free Palestine" could be seen. Free Palestine of what?

At the rally, speakers referred to the US-brokered ceasefire as a positive but "precarious" development - adding they would not stop protesting until Palestinians were fully free. Free Palestinians of whom?
 

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A ceasefire between Israel and Hamas held in Gaza for a third day on Sunday with the release of still living Israeli hostages and anticipated release of 2000-ish Palestinian prisoners and an address by U.S. President Donald Trump to Israel's parliament.
View attachment 31578On that positive note, police officers and several people were injured after thousands of pro-Palestine protesters took to the streets of Bern on Saturday, police said on Sunday, adding the demonstration was unauthorised.
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The protest in the Swiss capital against Israel's war in Gaza turned violent when police tried to restrict the movement of the protesters, who were throwing objects and bricks, police told a press conference.
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Such confrontations are rare for Switzerland, although a pro-Gaza protest on October 2 in Geneva also led to clashes between police and protesters.

More than 50 properties in Bern were damaged, with windows smashed and graffiti sprayed on buildings, police said. The damage was likely to run into millions of Swiss francs, SRF reported, adding the rally was organized by pro-Palestinian groups from across Switzerland.
As the protest began, stalls were selling keffiyeh scarves while people handed out placards for protesters. During the march, slogans such as "stop arming Israel" and "free Palestine" could be seen. Free Palestine of what?

At the rally, speakers referred to the US-brokered ceasefire as a positive but "precarious" development - adding they would not stop protesting until Palestinians were fully free. Free Palestinians of whom?
Leftists?
 

Ron in Regina

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Paywall.

Who is protesting? Why?
Weird. Still not paywalled for me. Even Donald Trump’s harshest critics — among whom I count myself — have to concede that he has orchestrated a landmark deal in the Middle East that maximized American leverage.

Trump declared it the “end of an age of terror and death,” which is typically overblown and unlikely, given the region’s history.

But the explosion of joy, as families are reunited in Israel and in Gaza, suggests there will be resistance on both sides to a resumption of hostilities.

From a Canadian perspective, it has laid bare the flaws and failures in this country’s foreign policy establishment.

The move to unilaterally recognize Palestinian statehood was taken ostensibly because the Israeli government was, in the government’s view, “working methodically to prevent the prospect of a Palestinian state from being established. It is now the avowed policy of the current Israeli government that there be no Palestinian state.”

Yet, point 19 of Trump’s 20-point plan is clear: “While Gaza redevelopment advances, and when the Palestinian Authority reform program is faithfully carried out, the conditions may finally be in place for a credible pathway to Palestinian self-determination and statehood, which we recognize as the aspiration of the Palestinian people.”

Israel may have been dragged kicking and screaming to the table. But it has signed on to a plan that is a damned sight more credible than that proposed by Ottawa, Paris and London, under which statehood recognition was granted in the hope that Hamas would disarm and the Palestinian Authority would finally hold elections.

The foreign policy establishment position — as related by 200 former ambassadors and career diplomats — was that recognition would set the stage for “a serious bilateral negotiation process.”

Instead, it was viewed by Hamas as a validation. Ghazi Hamed, a member of Hamas’s political bureau, told Al Jazeera that recognition “is one of the fruits of October 7th.”

The recognition move may have been merely symbolic, but all terror movements rely on symbolism to disrupt the status quo.

In the course of researching a biography on former justice minister, law professor and human rights icon Irwin Cotler, I talked to John Baird, who was Conservative foreign affairs minister in November 2012, when the United Nations voted to recognize Palestine as a “non-member state.”

Palestinian Authority President then (as now) Mahmoud Abbas, called the resolution the “birth certificate of Palestine” and said a vote for the proposal was the last chance to save a two-state solution.

The resolution passed 138 in favour, and only nine against, one of which was Canada.

Baird was the only foreign minister who showed up to speak against it, “probably the most consequential speech I gave in my political career” and one, it turns out, that was crafted by Cotler, who was at the time a Liberal MP (although he was referred to in Baird’s office as “the associate minister of foreign affairs”).

Baird pointed out that the cornerstone of all peace proposals since UN resolution 181 in 1947 was the need for negotiation and the rejection of one or other side acting unilaterally.

“This resolution will not advance the cause of peace or spur a return to negotiations. Will the Palestinian people be better off as a result? No. On the contrary, this unilateral step will harden positions and raise unrealistic expectations, while doing nothing to improve the lives of the Palestinian people,” he said — a prediction that has been borne out by subsequent events.

Hamas has only now been forced to make concessions because of losses on the battlefield and because the Americans have leaned hard on the Israelis, Egyptians, Turks and Qataris to recognize the realities in front of them.

On his way to the Summit for Peace in Egypt, Mark Carney put out an eloquent statement, urging all sides to grasp the moment.

“For the Jewish people, this is a moment that holds two truths at once — a grief for what cannot be restored and a fragile light of what might still be repaired,” he said.

He made mention of the Canadians who died on October 7 — Vivian Silver, Netta Epstein, Alexandre Look, Judih Weinstein, Shir Georgy, Ben Mizrachi, and Adi Vital-Kaploun — as well as others with close ties to Canada, like Tiferet Lapidot. And he commended Trump’s leadership in advancing a comprehensive peace plan.

But as Hamas gunmen try to reassert control on the streets of Gaza City and Khan Younis, there needs to be a recognition, at least internally, that Canada got it wrong — that Hamas will never lay down its arms; that the Palestinian Authority will never reform or negotiate, unless there is no alternative.

Cotler told me that in conversations with Abbas that date back to 1977, he noted an evolution in the latter’s thinking that meant by the mid-2000s he may have been disposed toward entering into a peace process with Israel. At the same, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu gave a famous foreign policy speech at Bar Ilan in 2009, where he spoke for the first time about a two-state solution.

Both men may have been looking for their place in history.

But both retreated because of domestic pressures — Abbas because Hamas had ejected Fatah from Gaza and forced him to take a more radical position in the West Bank, while Netanyahu was focused on managing an unwieldy coalition that was heavily influenced by orthodox and religious parties after the 2009 election.

The inflection point for a genuine peace passed and has only now come around again. It is regrettable that it is in spite of, rather than because of, Canada.
 

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Weird. Still not paywalled for me. Even Donald Trump’s harshest critics — among whom I count myself — have to concede that he has orchestrated a landmark deal in the Middle East that maximized American leverage.

Trump declared it the “end of an age of terror and death,” which is typically overblown and unlikely, given the region’s history.

But the explosion of joy, as families are reunited in Israel and in Gaza, suggests there will be resistance on both sides to a resumption of hostilities.

From a Canadian perspective, it has laid bare the flaws and failures in this country’s foreign policy establishment.

The move to unilaterally recognize Palestinian statehood was taken ostensibly because the Israeli government was, in the government’s view, “working methodically to prevent the prospect of a Palestinian state from being established. It is now the avowed policy of the current Israeli government that there be no Palestinian state.”

Yet, point 19 of Trump’s 20-point plan is clear: “While Gaza redevelopment advances, and when the Palestinian Authority reform program is faithfully carried out, the conditions may finally be in place for a credible pathway to Palestinian self-determination and statehood, which we recognize as the aspiration of the Palestinian people.”

Israel may have been dragged kicking and screaming to the table. But it has signed on to a plan that is a damned sight more credible than that proposed by Ottawa, Paris and London, under which statehood recognition was granted in the hope that Hamas would disarm and the Palestinian Authority would finally hold elections.

The foreign policy establishment position — as related by 200 former ambassadors and career diplomats — was that recognition would set the stage for “a serious bilateral negotiation process.”

Instead, it was viewed by Hamas as a validation. Ghazi Hamed, a member of Hamas’s political bureau, told Al Jazeera that recognition “is one of the fruits of October 7th.”

The recognition move may have been merely symbolic, but all terror movements rely on symbolism to disrupt the status quo.

In the course of researching a biography on former justice minister, law professor and human rights icon Irwin Cotler, I talked to John Baird, who was Conservative foreign affairs minister in November 2012, when the United Nations voted to recognize Palestine as a “non-member state.”

Palestinian Authority President then (as now) Mahmoud Abbas, called the resolution the “birth certificate of Palestine” and said a vote for the proposal was the last chance to save a two-state solution.

The resolution passed 138 in favour, and only nine against, one of which was Canada.

Baird was the only foreign minister who showed up to speak against it, “probably the most consequential speech I gave in my political career” and one, it turns out, that was crafted by Cotler, who was at the time a Liberal MP (although he was referred to in Baird’s office as “the associate minister of foreign affairs”).

Baird pointed out that the cornerstone of all peace proposals since UN resolution 181 in 1947 was the need for negotiation and the rejection of one or other side acting unilaterally.

“This resolution will not advance the cause of peace or spur a return to negotiations. Will the Palestinian people be better off as a result? No. On the contrary, this unilateral step will harden positions and raise unrealistic expectations, while doing nothing to improve the lives of the Palestinian people,” he said — a prediction that has been borne out by subsequent events.

Hamas has only now been forced to make concessions because of losses on the battlefield and because the Americans have leaned hard on the Israelis, Egyptians, Turks and Qataris to recognize the realities in front of them.

On his way to the Summit for Peace in Egypt, Mark Carney put out an eloquent statement, urging all sides to grasp the moment.

“For the Jewish people, this is a moment that holds two truths at once — a grief for what cannot be restored and a fragile light of what might still be repaired,” he said.

He made mention of the Canadians who died on October 7 — Vivian Silver, Netta Epstein, Alexandre Look, Judih Weinstein, Shir Georgy, Ben Mizrachi, and Adi Vital-Kaploun — as well as others with close ties to Canada, like Tiferet Lapidot. And he commended Trump’s leadership in advancing a comprehensive peace plan.

But as Hamas gunmen try to reassert control on the streets of Gaza City and Khan Younis, there needs to be a recognition, at least internally, that Canada got it wrong — that Hamas will never lay down its arms; that the Palestinian Authority will never reform or negotiate, unless there is no alternative.

Cotler told me that in conversations with Abbas that date back to 1977, he noted an evolution in the latter’s thinking that meant by the mid-2000s he may have been disposed toward entering into a peace process with Israel. At the same, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu gave a famous foreign policy speech at Bar Ilan in 2009, where he spoke for the first time about a two-state solution.

Both men may have been looking for their place in history.

But both retreated because of domestic pressures — Abbas because Hamas had ejected Fatah from Gaza and forced him to take a more radical position in the West Bank, while Netanyahu was focused on managing an unwieldy coalition that was heavily influenced by orthodox and religious parties after the 2009 election.

The inflection point for a genuine peace passed and has only now come around again. It is regrettable that it is in spite of, rather than because of, Canada.
Name another war were the civil sector didn't stay for continuity.
 

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Name another war were the civil sector didn't stay for continuity.
I don’t think we’re talking about Gaza‘s garbageman and plumbers here. Anyway, back in the Canadian side of the goat rodeo:
 

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I don’t think we’re talking about Gaza‘s garbageman and plumbers here. Anyway, back in the Canadian side of the goat rodeo:
Civil sector is top to bottom. 100% purge of Govt just doesn't happen.

Overview of Government Continuity Post-Regime Change

Government continuity after a regime change refers to how new rulers manage the existing administrative apparatus—particularly the civil service or bureaucracy—to ensure effective governance. Historically, outright elimination of civil servants is uncommon due to the risk of administrative collapse; instead, regimes balance retribution (purges for loyalty) with pragmatism (retention for expertise). This pattern holds across revolutions, coups, colonial transitions, and external interventions. Factors influencing approaches include the regime's ideology, the bureaucracy's strength, external pressures, and the need for immediate stability. Purges often target political elites or those directly tied to the old regime, while mid- and lower-level civil servants are frequently retained, vetted, or gradually replaced. Outcomes vary: continuity can stabilize the state but entrench old habits, while aggressive purges may empower loyalists but disrupt services.

 

Ron in Regina

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Civil sector is top to bottom. 100% purge of Govt just doesn't happen.

Overview of Government Continuity Post-Regime Change

Government continuity after a regime change refers to how new rulers manage the existing administrative apparatus—particularly the civil service or bureaucracy—to ensure effective governance. Historically, outright elimination of civil servants is uncommon due to the risk of administrative collapse; instead, regimes balance retribution (purges for loyalty) with pragmatism (retention for expertise). This pattern holds across revolutions, coups, colonial transitions, and external interventions. Factors influencing approaches include the regime's ideology, the bureaucracy's strength, external pressures, and the need for immediate stability. Purges often target political elites or those directly tied to the old regime, while mid- and lower-level civil servants are frequently retained, vetted, or gradually replaced. Outcomes vary: continuity can stabilize the state but entrench old habits, while aggressive purges may empower loyalists but disrupt services.

Your question would be for whomever the bright person is that wrote that 20 point peace plan for President Trump, because it states in it that it “mandates that Hamas cannot have any role—direct, indirect, or in any form—in Gaza's future governance” and Trump has pushed this as an ultimatum (to be negotiated?).
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Etc…so how do you think Mr. Rocksteady “sticks to his guns” is gonna manage this?

Some small things might have wiggle room for negotiation, but Hamas remaining armed and in power in Gaza, aren’t small things. The last couple days I’ve shown that Hamas hanging onto their AK-47’s makes the whole deal a no go going forward.

Hell, misplacing 2/3 of the dead holocaustages might be enough to kibosh this ceasefire after the propaganda games that Hamas was playing using returning those living and corpses as bait just a few weeks ago, but we’ll have to wait and see there. Remember the picture of the 48 hostages that Hamas said Israel was going to kill themselves if they didn’t bend to Hamas, etc…type bullshit? Time will tell…
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1760657810445.jpegPerhaps they have some type of vetting system figured out for what you’re calling civil servants, or not, so we might just have to wait and see here too.

Hamas also says it expects the interim administration to hire 40,000 Hamas employees, and Hamas spokesman Basem Naim says he expects its fighters to be integrated into a post-transition Palestinian state. “Before that, no one has the right to deny us the right to resist the occupation by all means.”
 

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Your question would be for whomever the bright person is that wrote that 20 point peace plan for President Trump, because it states in it that it “mandates that Hamas cannot have any role—direct, indirect, or in any form—in Gaza's future governance” and Trump has pushed this as an ultimatum (to be negotiated?).
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Etc…so how do you think Mr. Rocksteady “sticks to his guns” is gonna manage this?

Some small things might have wiggle room for negotiation, but Hamas remaining armed and in power in Gaza, aren’t small things. The last couple days I’ve shown that Hamas hanging onto their AK-47’s makes the whole deal a no go going forward.

Hell, misplacing 2/3 of the dead holocaustages might be enough to kibosh this ceasefire after the propaganda games that Hamas was playing using returning those living and corpses as bait just a few weeks ago, but we’ll have to wait and see there. Remember the picture of the 48 hostages that Hamas said Israel was going to kill themselves if they didn’t bend to Hamas, etc…type bullshit? Time will tell…
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Perhaps they have some type of vetting system figured out for what you’re calling civil servants, or not, so we might just have to wait and see here too.

Hamas also says it expects the interim administration to hire 40,000 Hamas employees, and Hamas spokesman Basem Naim says he expects its fighters to be integrated into a post-transition Palestinian state. “Before that, no one has the right to deny us the right to resist the occupation by all means.”
That's phase 2. There is a 60 day truce first to sort shit out. What's your hurry?
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