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Serryah

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Did know it had ever been removed. It would have been around that time or slightly before, that it came up where I lived. I was I high school at the time anyway. Also MAID would have been illegal at that time. At least we have advanced from that time.

True. Personally I'm glad for MAID but then I see enough downsides of people who are terminal and suffering to think it should have been a thing years ago.
 
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True. Personally I'm glad for MAID but then I see enough downsides of people who are terminal and suffering to think it should have been a thing years ago.
I will never forget the shock on a woman’s face when we told her that her husband’s DNR was not legal because it was out of date and we were required to perform CPR. Bureaucratic bullshit.
 

petros

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I refer you to the link from the CENTER FOR SUICIDE PREVENTION.

"Is suicide illegal in Canada?
No
, but attempted suicide was not removed from our Criminal Code until 1972. However, counselling suicide – sometimes referred to as aiding and abetting suicide, still remains a criminal act."

Perhaps you mean the aiding and abetting of suicide, but the act itself, is NOT illegal.



"Suicide
Marginal note:Counselling or aiding suicide

  • 241(1) Everyone is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term of not more than 14 years who, whether suicide ensues or not,
    • (a) counsels a person to die by suicide or abets a person in dying by suicide; or
    • (b) aids a person to die by suicide.
  • Marginal note:Exemption for medical assistance in dying
    (2) No medical practitioner or nurse practitioner commits an offence under paragraph (1)(b) if they provide a person with medical assistance in dying in accordance with section 241.2.
  • Marginal note:Exemption for person aiding practitioner
    (3) No person is a party to an offence under paragraph (1)(b) if they do anything for the purpose of aiding a medical practitioner or nurse practitioner to provide a person with medical assistance in dying in accordance with section 241.2.
  • Marginal note:Exemption for pharmacist
    (4) No pharmacist who dispenses a substance to a person other than a medical practitioner or nurse practitioner commits an offence under paragraph (1)(b) if the pharmacist dispenses the substance further to a prescription that is written by such a practitioner in providing medical assistance in dying in accordance with section 241.2.
  • Marginal note:Exemption for person aiding patient
    (5) No person commits an offence under paragraph (1)(b) if they do anything, at another person’s explicit request, for the purpose of aiding that other person to self-administer a substance that has been prescribed for that other person as part of the provision of medical assistance in dying in accordance with section 241.2.
  • Marginal note:Clarification
    (5.1) For greater certainty, no social worker, psychologist, psychiatrist, therapist, medical practitioner, nurse practitioner or other health care professional commits an offence if they provide information to a person on the lawful provision of medical assistance in dying.
  • Marginal note:Reasonable but mistaken belief
    (6) For greater certainty, the exemption set out in any of subsections (2) to (5) applies even if the person invoking the exemption has a reasonable but mistaken belief about any fact that is an element of the exemption.
  • Marginal note:Definitions
    (7) In this section, medical assistance in dying, medical practitioner, nurse practitioner and pharmacist have the same meanings as in section 241.1.
  • R.S., 1985, c. C-46, s. 241
  • R.S., 1985, c. 27 (1st Supp.), s. 7
  • 2016, c. 3, s. 3
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There is no mention of suicide itself being illegal in the Criminal Code.
Suicide is mainly single men. Why 4 you no care?
 

Serryah

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I will never forget the shock on a woman’s face when we told her that her husband’s DNR was not legal because it was out of date and we were required to perform CPR. Bureaucratic bullshit.

And yet legitimate and you should know that.

Bureaucratic bullshit or not; don't like it, change the policy.
 

Taxslave2

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And yet legitimate and you should know that.

Bureaucratic bullshit or not; don't like it, change the policy.
I know that. She didn’t. When DNRs are written, it should be made clear to the family how exactly it works. We should not have been called. It was dispatched wrong somehow. We are automatically dispatched to cardiac arrest. The DNR got missed I think. Pretty sure she was expecting a coroner and maybe a cop. Certainly she did not expect two rescue trucks and an ambulance with lights and sirens.
 
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Serryah

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I know that. She didn’t. When DNRs are written, it should be made clear to the family how exactly it works. We should not have been called. It was dispatched wrong somehow. We are automatically dispatched to cardiac arrest. The DNR got missed I think. Pretty sure she was expecting a coroner and maybe a cop. Certainly she did not expect two rescue trucks and an ambulance with lights and sirens.

Oof...

That's happened here a couple of times too. Mostly because either person does not have their DNR right there when the emergency happened, loved ones don't know where the DNR is or like you said, no one explains the DNR properly to family.

I know when my mom was taken in by ambulance once my dad could not find the DNR, but it was on the fridge, he was just so stressed it blanked for him.

Sorry that shit happened to you; I agree, it shouldn't have. Personally I think when an ambo is called, one of the questions that should be asked is "Does the patient have a DNR status and what is it?" Far as I know, that's not a thing.
 
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Serryah

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