Trans Mountain ‘pipeline is going to get built’: Trudeau dismisses B.C.’s bitumen ban
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It might be too late. Odds are good that the fuel in your car right now it’s from the Alberta oil sands. If by some fluke it’s not then it has been recently....odds are good. Are you using Ontario bought gasoline that came from the big refinery in Montreal?? Quebec uses it...And exports it to Ontario... but doesn’t want Western Canada To you have access to the Atlantic with this product. Doesn’t that seem a little bit hypocritical ???
The gas in my car probably comes from somewhere around the Gulf of Mexico.
Yeah, maybe. Maybe a %'age of it. I'm pulling the below post from another thread (I'm lazy tonight) that was in response to someone cheering on Canadian Oil being boycotted by Patriotic Eastern Canadians (I'm assuming). Ignore the first couple sentences as they're a reply to someone else.
What %'age of the increase in oil from the US into Quebec is really oil from Western Canada bought for pennies and resold into that market for dollars??? Good deal for America.I honestly don't know where you live, and it's just an assumption that your area code might be 905? Anyway, Western Canadian Oil & its products are only 'boycotted' (lets call it throttled) from reaching more of a market in ON & QC, and from getting past Quebec to reach the rest of Canada in that direction. It's also 'boycotted' (lets call it throttled) from exporting west beyond Canada at the 1950's level unless it flows through the US first. Great deal for them.
The Montreal refinery produces everything from gasoline to heavy fuel oil, solvents, petrochemicals and other petroleum products. These are distributed primarily across Quebec and Ontario via the Trans-Northern Pipeline, which runs from Montreal to Lake Erie and has connections to Ottawa and Toronto. Finished products are also shipped by truck, by rail and over water.
Suncor’s Montreal refinery processes conventional crude oil as well as diluted bitumen and “sour” or high-sulphur crude, according to the company’s most recent annual information form. It says that in 2017, the Montreal refinery processed on average 24,300 barrels per day of diluted bitumen, 86,700 barrels per day of conventional crude and 14,700 barrels per day of other types of oil. In order to get more Canadian Oil to other Canadian markets outside of Western Canada via pipelines in the USA, American Oil sales have also had to increase dramatically into these markets (like Ontario & Quebec & the Lower Mainland of BC). These Markets can still strut about condemning Canadian Oil....& it's a great deal for the USA buying Canadian Oil for penny's to resell it for dollars. The American Oil Market is thriving & ours could be too....but here we are.
Above, Canada's percentage increased from 8% to 44%, and to accomplish that, America's share increased from 1% to 37%...who's share increased the most without factoring in that Canada's share has to pass through the US just to reach Markets in it own freak'n country?
Of course you don't. You think anyone who does is a White natty. You wouldn't dare sully yourself by associating with some dirty, pipe-wrangling White natty now would you.
Global is fake news now? https://globalnews.ca/news/6094705/trans-mountain-new-positions-pipeline-expansion/
Hey look, Indigenous White natties were hired. Oh wait, can pro-oil Native people even be White natties?
As for not seeing any want ads for the jobs, it's amazing what you won't see when you're not actually looking. I can't imagine you "lowering" yourself to give up welfare and mommy and daddy's basement to actually get a job.
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Sure. Call 'em "apples" if they don't conform to white lefty notions of what Induns are supposed to be, think, and feel.
LIE-berals do not want bitumen..................................
because they want to AVOID being tarred and feathered.......................................
and run out of town on a rail!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
After LIE-berals drive us FACE FIRST into the DEBT WALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In other news.....................it was back on August 21. 2019 that Our idiot Boy told pipeline contractors.....................
TO BE PREPARED TO START pipeline WORK within 30 days!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And yet NOTHING has been done to resolve DEMANDS by native radicals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Our idiot Boy is just running out the clock..................................
while he hopes desperately for some SALVATION that will reverse the erosion of LIE-beral support!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The "Do Nothing Brigade" is firmly in charge in Ottawa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And hoping desperately FOR A MIRACLE that will change LIE-beral fortunes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LIE-berals face UGLY choices!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If they do nothing then the "booming economy' will continue to erode and the debt wall will inch ever closer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But any action LIE-berals take will EXPOSE the failure of all their policy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You don't get your fuel from these refineries?
Nanticoke Refinery
Nanticoke Rd, Haldimand
DIRECTIONS
WEBSITE
Esso Imperial Oil Refinery Con 2
2 Nd Cncr, Nanticoke · 519-587-4992
DIRECTIONS
McAsphalt Industries
70 Couchie Industrial Rd, North Bay · 705-472-5456
DIRECTIONS
WEBSITE
Cattarello Assayers Inc
424 Amwell St, Haileybury · 705-672-5045
DIRECTIONS
Armand H Couture Ltd
470 Algonquin Blvd E, Timmins · 705-264-9433
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See results on map
List of oil refineries - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oil_refineries
Believe it or not they get the bulk of their crude from Western Canada, through the Enbridge Sarnia terminal.
Really even Alberta's NDP is more in touch with Alberta than the Liberals
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/rachel-notley-calls-out-singh-1.5334646
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/rachel-notley-calls-out-singh-1.5334646
Really now fleabag? Looks like yet another topic you know absolutely nothing about. Or do you simply not understand the concept of refining.
Terence Corcoran: TMX is a done deal. Here are five bad policies to worry about instead
It is a foregone conclusion that the 1,150-kilometre Trans Mountain Pipeline Expansion (TMX) will be built. The expansion, which involves building a second pipe along the route of an existing line, will run from outside Edmonton across the Rockies and on to Burnaby, B.C., boosting Alberta’s oil exports from 300,000 barrels per day to 890,000.
TMX is a done deal. Albertans will be somewhat mollified. Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s Liberals will claim to be fulfilling an election promise and demonstrating his government’s deep dedication to Albertans. The company has already announced that it has hired more than 2,000 employees since the end of September. Indigenous groups are reportedly eager to take on some ownership and Finance Minister Bill Morneau, scraping for green support, suggested the government’s purchase of TMX has nothing to do with promoting the fossil fuel industry in Alberta. “We purchased it for a reason,” he said last week, “We now see how it can help accelerate our clean energy transition by putting any revenues that we get from it into a transition to clean energy.”
According to Morneau, about $500 million a year in pipeline revenues will be pumped into clean energy, thus performing the miracle of turning a carbon-emitting fossil fuel pipeline into a carbon-reduction project. One has to wonder, though, where this money will come from.
Morneau said the government will put “any revenues that we get” into green energy projects. But revenues are not profits. Before Ottawa has free cash from TMX to throw around, a lot of money will need to be allocated to paying back the government’s massive investment in the project, including the $4.5 billion the Trudeau government paid for the existing pipeline and the estimated $10-billion cost of completing the expansion. It’s hard to see how TMX will be throwing up $500 million a year in excess profits for the Liberals to splash around as green energy investments any time soon.
But since TMX was set to go before the election, Morneau said it will not be a bargaining chip as the Liberals negotiate with other parties to keep their minority government afloat. “My expectation is that we have much common ground between the other parties,” said Morneau.
If TMX is off the table, what are the policies, programs and taxes that the Liberals and NDP (and maybe even the Conservatives) might agree on? Here are five hot chips on the bargaining table that appear to offer “common ground” for early adoption. The only common element is that each represents undesirable and harmful government intrusion in the economy.
Pharmacare: In one form or another, Canada is about to take a critical plunge into national drug price and supply management. The Liberal platform was cautious, promising only to “take the critical next steps” to implement national universal pharmacare so that all Canadians have the drug coverage they need at an affordable price. The NDP wants a full national pharmacare plan in place ASAP. The bargaining over pharmacare will focus on how far the federal government should go into taking over the pricing and supply of pharmaceuticals.
Media fund: The Trudeau government has already committed to funding journalism and media companies. Mediacare represents a government reach into another market that flies in the face of free market and free media principles.
Telecom fees: The Liberal platform promised to lower monthly cellphone bills by 25 per cent over two years “by using the government’s regulatory powers, saving an average middle-class family of four nearly $1,000 per year.” That’s a big number, one the Liberals did not account for in their fiscal plan because, obviously, it would have to be paid by the telecom companies. If there are, say, three million families of four in Canada, that’s an annual cost of $3 billion.
Netflix taxes: All parties seem to agree that international big-tech companies need to be taxed, through a sales tax or some form of revenue tax. The Liberal fiscal plan estimated revenue of $600 million a year from tech companies. If the new tech taxes are limited to collecting GST/HST on Facebook and the other giants, fine. But there are indications that new tech taxes will amount to a grab for more than sales taxes to generate cash to redistribute to Canadian companies.
Taxes on wealthy: It is hardly worth mentioning that the first Liberal budget will take a run at raising taxes on higher-income Canadians. The Liberals promised to make sure “the wealthiest Canadians … pay a little bit more.” The NDP has more explicit plans it is certain to insist on when the bargaining chips are down. Also part of the tax-the-rich agenda is the Liberal plan to impose a tax on foreign buyers of housing.
So while the TMX pipeline green light will be hailed as the Trudeau Liberals’ willingness to compromise and at least get a part of the Alberta economy moving, the real indicators of the government’s direction are still to come but were comprehensively outlined during the election.
business.financialpost.com/opinion/terence-corcoran-tmx-is-a-done-deal-here-are-five-bad-policies-to-worry-about-instead
It is a foregone conclusion that the 1,150-kilometre Trans Mountain Pipeline Expansion (TMX) will be built. The expansion, which involves building a second pipe along the route of an existing line, will run from outside Edmonton across the Rockies and on to Burnaby, B.C., boosting Alberta’s oil exports from 300,000 barrels per day to 890,000.
TMX is a done deal. Albertans will be somewhat mollified. Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s Liberals will claim to be fulfilling an election promise and demonstrating his government’s deep dedication to Albertans. The company has already announced that it has hired more than 2,000 employees since the end of September. Indigenous groups are reportedly eager to take on some ownership and Finance Minister Bill Morneau, scraping for green support, suggested the government’s purchase of TMX has nothing to do with promoting the fossil fuel industry in Alberta. “We purchased it for a reason,” he said last week, “We now see how it can help accelerate our clean energy transition by putting any revenues that we get from it into a transition to clean energy.”
According to Morneau, about $500 million a year in pipeline revenues will be pumped into clean energy, thus performing the miracle of turning a carbon-emitting fossil fuel pipeline into a carbon-reduction project. One has to wonder, though, where this money will come from.
Morneau said the government will put “any revenues that we get” into green energy projects. But revenues are not profits. Before Ottawa has free cash from TMX to throw around, a lot of money will need to be allocated to paying back the government’s massive investment in the project, including the $4.5 billion the Trudeau government paid for the existing pipeline and the estimated $10-billion cost of completing the expansion. It’s hard to see how TMX will be throwing up $500 million a year in excess profits for the Liberals to splash around as green energy investments any time soon.
But since TMX was set to go before the election, Morneau said it will not be a bargaining chip as the Liberals negotiate with other parties to keep their minority government afloat. “My expectation is that we have much common ground between the other parties,” said Morneau.
If TMX is off the table, what are the policies, programs and taxes that the Liberals and NDP (and maybe even the Conservatives) might agree on? Here are five hot chips on the bargaining table that appear to offer “common ground” for early adoption. The only common element is that each represents undesirable and harmful government intrusion in the economy.
Pharmacare: In one form or another, Canada is about to take a critical plunge into national drug price and supply management. The Liberal platform was cautious, promising only to “take the critical next steps” to implement national universal pharmacare so that all Canadians have the drug coverage they need at an affordable price. The NDP wants a full national pharmacare plan in place ASAP. The bargaining over pharmacare will focus on how far the federal government should go into taking over the pricing and supply of pharmaceuticals.
Media fund: The Trudeau government has already committed to funding journalism and media companies. Mediacare represents a government reach into another market that flies in the face of free market and free media principles.
Telecom fees: The Liberal platform promised to lower monthly cellphone bills by 25 per cent over two years “by using the government’s regulatory powers, saving an average middle-class family of four nearly $1,000 per year.” That’s a big number, one the Liberals did not account for in their fiscal plan because, obviously, it would have to be paid by the telecom companies. If there are, say, three million families of four in Canada, that’s an annual cost of $3 billion.
Netflix taxes: All parties seem to agree that international big-tech companies need to be taxed, through a sales tax or some form of revenue tax. The Liberal fiscal plan estimated revenue of $600 million a year from tech companies. If the new tech taxes are limited to collecting GST/HST on Facebook and the other giants, fine. But there are indications that new tech taxes will amount to a grab for more than sales taxes to generate cash to redistribute to Canadian companies.
Taxes on wealthy: It is hardly worth mentioning that the first Liberal budget will take a run at raising taxes on higher-income Canadians. The Liberals promised to make sure “the wealthiest Canadians … pay a little bit more.” The NDP has more explicit plans it is certain to insist on when the bargaining chips are down. Also part of the tax-the-rich agenda is the Liberal plan to impose a tax on foreign buyers of housing.
So while the TMX pipeline green light will be hailed as the Trudeau Liberals’ willingness to compromise and at least get a part of the Alberta economy moving, the real indicators of the government’s direction are still to come but were comprehensively outlined during the election.
business.financialpost.com/opinion/terence-corcoran-tmx-is-a-done-deal-here-are-five-bad-policies-to-worry-about-instead
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hemerHOID truly impresses!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As a super charged LIE-beral manure spreader!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He certainly has the "orifice" to handle the job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!