Toronto Blue Jays

[Mowich]

This is going to the 18th and is officially the longest game in the majors thus far

Ryan Goins is coming to the mound for the Jays

Intentional walk being issued by Jays as they get one out when the runner went outside the base line on the way home

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

Bases loaded Cleveland. Not sure who would have seen that coming.

 

[Mowich]

Bases loaded Cleveland. Not sure who would have seen that coming.

Goins gets the out!!!!!!!!! Rock frickin' on Ryan!

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

Goins gets the out!!!!!!!!! Rock frickin' on Ryan!

I see you are a glass half full type of person.

 

[Mowich]

I see you are a glass half full type of person.

Well I sure didn't expect Ryan to get out that inning and judging by your previous comment, neither did you. :lol:

Tulo strikes out but Junior takes a walk

Pillar pops it up for the second out and Barney comes to the plate

Junior Lake steals second on a curve ball

Barney grounds out and that's the inning and for only the second time in Blue Jay's history they are going to the 9th inning but I won't be here to see it as I am off to celebrate Canada Day with hope in my heart that the Jays find a way to win this one.

Darwin Barney is out to pitch for the Jays.

 

[talloola]

Indians streak still alive, I was hoping goins would get the win.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

I am incredibly puzzled with the Jay's decision to go with infielders over Estrada in the 18th inning onwards. Jays would have had to scramble tomorrow but they could have called up Huchinson or something for a spot start. Today was winnable. Who knows about tomorrow.

Indians streak still alive, I was hoping goins would get the win.

A Jays infielder did get a pitching decision. Actually his (Barney's) line isn't that bad aside from the HR. He struck somebody out and just gave up that one hit.

 

[Mowich]

I am incredibly puzzled with the Jay's decision to go with infielders over Estrada in the 18th inning onwards. Jays would have had to scramble tomorrow but they could have called up Huchinson or something for a spot start. Today was winnable. Who knows about tomorrow.



A Jays infielder did get a pitching decision. Actually his (Barney's) line isn't that bad aside from the HR. He struck somebody out and just gave up that one hit.

There will be no talking to my sister for a couple of days now...........she'll be that over the moon about her Indians. Helluva a game though. Cleveland won't soon forget their visit here. Really interesting seeing the positional players go out on the mound - that was another first for me.

Question: If Gibbons is thrown out of the game is he still able to make decisions regarding the team? Such as who will pitch in a certain inning?

I have to say that I have been upset with referees in both hockey and football many times but today, I would have gladly whacked the home-field ump upside the head myself. Thought for a minute there that Russell was going to take a poke at him. I know, I know they are supposed to remain calm and cool but it's got to be so frustrating to have ball after ball called when the pitches are strike after strike. That graph they throw up to show where the ball was in position to the plate was solid evidence that the stupid frickin' ump was out to lunch. I will now apologize for my outburst.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

There will be no talking to my sister for a couple of days now...........she'll be that over the moon about her Indians. Helluva a game though. Cleveland won't soon forget their visit here. Really interesting seeing the positional players go out on the mound - that was another first for me.

Question: If Gibbons is thrown out of the game is he still able to make decisions regarding the team? Such as who will pitch in a certain inning?

I have to say that I have been upset with referees in both hockey and football many times but today, I would have gladly whacked the home-field ump upside the head myself. Thought for a minute there that Russell was going to take a poke at him. I know, I know they are supposed to remain calm and cool but it's got to be so frustrating to have ball after ball called when the pitches are strike after strike. That graph they throw up to show where the ball was in position to the plate was solid evidence that the stupid frickin' ump was out to lunch. I will now apologize for my outburst.

Gibbons can't be anywhere close to the field. In theory he is not supposed to be in control. However, it is a baseball tradition for the ejected manager to be up the dugout hallway just out of sight of the umpires. With modern technology he could probably even be in his office and manage from there.

You saw something in the 19th which you also won't see everyday (in the AL). Travis played 2nd base in the 19th. He was the DH. In the AL, if the DH takes the field (it is allowed) the position player he replaces is removed from the lineup and replaced with the pitcher (in this case it was a double switch with Travis replacing Goins then switching with Barney). The team from that point onward would play without the DH. The team would also lose their DH if a position player pitches.

 

[Mowich]

Gibbons can't be anywhere close to the field. In theory he is not supposed to be in control. However, it is a baseball tradition for the ejected manager to be up the dugout hallway just out of sight of the umpires. With modern technology he could probably even be in his office and manage from there.

You saw something in the 19th which you also won't see everyday (in the AL). Travis played 2nd base in the 19th. He was the DH. In the AL, if the DH takes the field (it is allowed) the position player he replaces is removed from the lineup and replaced with the pitcher (in this case it was a double switch with Travis replacing Goins then switching with Barney). The team from that point onward would play without the DH. The team would also lose their DH if a position player pitches.

I must be learning as I understood everything you just wrote. :smile: I understood that both Goins and Barnery were positional players who went to the mound so that must mean that we didn't have a DH as soon as Ryan was the chosen pitcher. Do I have that right?

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

I must be learning as I understood everything you just wrote. :smile: I understood that both Goins and Barnery were positional players who went to the mound so that must mean that we didn't have a DH as soon as Ryan was the chosen pitcher. Do I have that right?

Actually, not quite. The DH was lost when Travis took the field. Goins was not on the lineup card when he went in so he was technically a pitcher. He would not have batted in the bottom of the order. When the 19th came around they wanted to have Barney (the 2nd baseman) pitch so they had 2 choices:

1. Move Barney staight to pitcher. If this happened, Travis (the DH) would be scratched. They would have needed to insert somebody else at second base. This could have been Goins.
2. Move Travis to P which would remove the DH tag off Travis. Then they just switched their P & 2B. This is the move they made. Should it have moved to the 20th they could have moved anybody to P by just switching them between their positions. Had they then decided some time in the future to have Estrata come in, they would have removed a position player and replaced him with Estrata. Estrada would have batted if his turn came up.

 

[Mowich]

Actually, not quite. The DH was lost when Travis took the field. Goins was not on the lineup card when he went in so he was technically a pitcher. He would not have batted in the bottom of the order. When the 19th came around they wanted to have Barney (the 2nd baseman) pitch so they had 2 choices:

1. Move Barney staight to pitcher. If this happened, Travis (the DH) would be scratched. They would have needed to insert somebody else at second base. This could have been Goins.
2. Move Travis to P which would remove the DH tag off Travis. Then they just switched their P & 2B. This is the move they made. Should it have moved to the 20th they could have moved anybody to P by just switching them between their positions. Had they then decided some time in the future to have Estrata come in, they would have removed a position player and replaced him with Estrata. Estrada would have batted if his turn came up.

The more I learn about baseball the less I feel I know. :lol: Looking at it this way it reminds me of a game of chess and the players are the pieces. Thanks for this, IRBS.

Glad they were able to reserve Estrada for tomorrow and I thought our relief pitchers did pretty well all in all considering who they were up against.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

The more I learn about baseball the less I feel I know. :lol: Looking at it this way it reminds me of a game of chess and the players are the pieces. Thanks for this, IRBS.

Glad they were able to reserve Estrada for tomorrow and I thought our relief pitchers did pretty well all in all considering who they were up against.

It was a good performance by all players. It was the manager who lost this one IMHO.

The double switching and stuff is more NL style with no DH. In that league you remove your pitcher not just on how tired he gets but when you can pinch hit for him. In the NL, having skilled backups who can play any position is extremely valuable since when inning is over, you can remove the last guy who batted or maybe the second last guy and put your pitcher there. The pinch hitter would then play whichever position you removed. There is a lot more strategy on the NL side. Also, they play more small-ball as every run is important as once every 9 batters there is almost a sure out -- the pitcher.

My personal preference is the AL version with the DH. But I do understand the NL side of it. If you have a Saturday afternoon or Sunday evening free (and free of any of the other leagues you follow) you may watch the MLB game of the week. If they are playing in an NL park, you can see the difference in action. There are other subtle differences in rules, etc. but the DH no-DH is the only one directly impacting most games.

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[Mowich]

It was a good performance by all players. It was the manager who lost this one IMHO.

The double switching and stuff is more NL style with no DH. In that league you remove your pitcher not just on how tired he gets but when you can pinch hit for him. In the NL, having skilled backups who can play any position is extremely valuable since when inning is over, you can remove the last guy who batted or maybe the second last guy and put your pitcher there. The pinch hitter would then play whichever position you removed. There is a lot more strategy on the NL side. Also, they play more small-ball as every run is important as once every 9 batters there is almost a sure out -- the pitcher.

My personal preference is the AL version with the DH. But I do understand the NL side of it. If you have a Saturday afternoon or Sunday evening free (and free of any of the other leagues you follow) you may watch the MLB game of the week. If they are playing in an NL park, you can see the difference in action. There are other subtle differences in rules, etc. but the DH no-DH is the only one directly impacting most games.

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And thanks for it. Hard enough get my head around our league let alone another. Every bit of knowledge plainly given helps. Thank you.

Meant to tell you I watched Moneyball again the other night. I learned and understood much more about baseball this time around. I remember the term 'small ball' from that movie.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

And thanks for it. Hard enough get my head around our league let alone another. Every bit of knowledge plainly given helps. Thank you.

Meant to tell you I watched Moneyball again the other night. I learned and understood much more about baseball this time around. I remember the term 'small ball' from that movie.

I never saw that movie. But it is important to remember that Hollywood rarely gets everything right.

The other 2 rule differences I know about are that the AL counts attendance by ticket sales. If you buy a ticket, you are counted at the game. The NL counts it as people through the turnstile. The other difference is the AL has a 1AM curfew. No inning can start after 1AM unless it is the last series which the visiting team is visiting that stadium. Both of these are inconsequential to the actual play of the game.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

The aftermath of the 19 inning loss and the pitching decisions continue to grow. Ryan Goins has been placed on the 15 day DL with forearm tightness as a result of his pitching debut.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

Looks like Cleveland started their bullpen. Going to top of the 5th it is tied at 3.

Bottom of the 4th they had men on 1st & 2nd with 1 out but both Travis and Donaldson struck out. The only Toronto runs came on a 3 run HR by Encarnasion in the bottom of the 1st.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

Jays win 9-6. Win goes to Jason Grilli. Save to Osuna. Estrada getting an MRI for his back. Did 5 innings.When it was 6-6 in the middle of the 8th I am sure both clubs were saying "s-hit, not again!".

 

[Mowich]

Jays win 9-6. Win goes to Jason Grilli. Save to Osuna. Estrada getting an MRI for his back. Did 5 innings.When it was 6-6 in the middle of the 8th I am sure both clubs were saying "s-hit, not again!".

Well Rock on Jays!!!!! They actually brought the Indians streak to an end - that's something in itself. Really happy to hear they won as I had my doubts that they could stop Cleveland. I wish I had been able to watch the game - had to work. Will definitely be watching Rewind.

Bad news about Ryan and Eric. Ryan really gave it his all during his pitching debut - too bad it was in a losing cause - a win would have helped soothe the wounds. Sounds like Eric too gave it his all in the 5 innings he pitched. Read that he held the Indians to 3 runs.

Watched the video replay of the call on Carrera and it was a swing and a miss in my books. Carrera got to the plate first and the overturned call was the right decision.

Michael Saunders also got past his troubles at the plate with a 2-run double. Yeah!

 

[Mowich]

Watching Blue Jays Central in preparation for the 4th game of the series with Cleveland - hoping the Jays can get the split.

Looking forward to Greg's Roast and Toast - would love to hear him tear Vic Carapazza a new one - he's the stupid frickin' ump who had little or no idea exactly where the strike zone was in Game 2. Every single article I read about that game mentioned the egregious calls.