Tories shutting down Status of Women offices

[Ariadne]

Does the Community Financial Services Centre run a thrift shop, spend two years training individuals from functional illiteracy to full employability, help functionally illiterate women fill out the necessary forms to aquire valid identification documents?

does it even give a rat's ass when a woman doesn't know who to phone when a woman believes one of their children might be apprehended by CFS unjustly?

I'll answer that for you.

no it doesn't.

you really think the people that run these programs have the time and inclination to gussy up web pages to convince the self-righteous they should think otherwise about the work they do when they know damn well its a pointless exercise in futility anyways?

We always called the suburban Thrift Shop our "Favourite Old Store" because I wanted my daughters to like the place. They were thrilled when we left with a paper grocery bag full of goodies (first Thursday of every month = 5$). It was run by the church in a separate faciliy (burbs) and all the goods were donated by people that didn't need the stuff anymore. You could get a nice sweater for about $2.75. SWAC had nothing to do with this. Perhaps they referred the customer to the service, but I don't see SWAC running a thrift shop - more likely sitting in $2000 suits flying around the country having dinner with beautiful men. I think we could spend the $5 million on something more societally conscientious.

 

[Ariadne]

This is without a doubt, the brightest thing I've read from you.
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Originally Posted by Ariadne
The SWAC is not doing anything to help the woman that can't pay rent. Should women have special privileges not available to men? Paying rent is a societal issue. If the woman is uneducated, there are many options starting with a student loan, some ambition and a few goals. This is not uniquely a female issue. Senior abuse is not a gender issue and, from what we've learned recently, neither is spousal abuse. Immigrant issues are not female gender problems. If 20 years of policy making didn't solve the problems, another $23 million every 2 years for another 20 years probably isn't going to make much more of a difference.


Actually in here, you're doing well, well after you stopped chewing on my ass. But I'm impressed.

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A soft spot? Are you okay?:read2:

 

[tamarin]

What the hell has Winnipeg got to do with the essential issue of gender disparity in the workplace? The city is renowned for its social and crime problems, most of it centred in its large aboriginal community. Aboriginal women aren't poor because they're discriminated against in the workplace. Canada does more than a decent job at treating men and women fairly in the working world. No doubt there are groups all over with their study sessions and data collection projects, all convened to support their bias. It doesn't mean you have to listen to them. I've worked in various industries in Ontario and any group that wants to whine about wage mischief in the workplace doesn't know what it's talking about. But what each does know is how to collect and skew in order to queue for some government research handout.

 

[Ariadne]

What the hell has Winnipeg got to do with the essential issue of gender disparity in the workplace? The city is renowned for its social and crime problems, most of it centred in its large aboriginal community. Aboriginal women aren't poor because they're discriminated against in the workplace. Canada does more than a decent job at treating men and women fairly in the working world. No doubt there are groups all over with their study sessions and data collection projects, all convened to support their bias. It doesn't mean you have to listen to them. I've worked in various industries in Ontario and any group that wants to whine about wage mischief in the workplace doesn't know what it's talking about. But what each does know is how to collect and skew in order to queue for some government research handout.

Winnipeg has nothing to do with anything except that in studies completed during the 1980s there was evidence that aboriginal women were financially disadvantaged. As a result, the Status of Women Action Committee set up a Winnipeg North office (2000) for dealing with women in financial ignorance. As it turns out (2006), men in Winnipeg North also suffer from financial ignorance so now a facility addressing the needs of both sexus has opened. It's Winnipeg ... the middle of the country, formerly the capital of the country, and now the centre of aboriginal educational problems in the country. Don't they have schools in Winnipeg? Don't they have attendance policies? What is happening in Winnipeg that so many children grow into adults without being able to function and pay rent?

Shouldn't Alberta get an least an equal amount of money to re-educate the population in the concept of work, money, jobs, budgets, priorities and waitressing? What's different about North Manitoba and Winnipeg ... from the rest of the country ... that they need this special financial advisory office and all those millions of dollars? Is this an identified problem that stems to Aboriginal circumstances? nothing to do with gender? is that why a new office opened up ... to replace that women's money place ... that addresses the community needs ... not just women?

 

[CDNBear]

This is without a doubt, the brightest thing I've read from you.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ariadne
The SWAC is not doing anything to help the woman that can't pay rent. Should women have special privileges not available to men? Paying rent is a societal issue. If the woman is uneducated, there are many options starting with a student loan, some ambition and a few goals. This is not uniquely a female issue. Senior abuse is not a gender issue and, from what we've learned recently, neither is spousal abuse. Immigrant issues are not female gender problems. If 20 years of policy making didn't solve the problems, another $23 million every 2 years for another 20 years probably isn't going to make much more of a difference.


Actually in here, you're doing well, well after you stopped chewing on my ass. But I'm impressed.

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A soft spot? Are you okay?:read2:

Yes I'm always ok.
Just because I dissagree with your opinion on one issua does not mean I would not support you on any other if our views coenside.
But with all respect, your opinion on the other issue added to your opinion here, leads me to the conclusion that you are a rightwing pro lifer. Which would negate your ablity to argue the other topic objectively.

 

[BitWhys]

We always called the suburban Thrift Shop our "Favourite Old Store" because I wanted my daughters to like the place. They were thrilled when we left with a paper grocery bag full of goodies (first Thursday of every month = 5$). It was run by the church in a separate faciliy (burbs) and all the goods were donated by people that didn't need the stuff anymore. You could get a nice sweater for about $2.75. SWAC had nothing to do with this. Perhaps they referred the customer to the service, but I don't see SWAC running a thrift shop - more likely sitting in $2000 suits flying around the country having dinner with beautiful men. I think we could spend the $5 million on something more societally conscientious.

at least you're not pretending there's validity to your claim that one program replaces the other any more.

 

[BitWhys]

What the hell has Winnipeg got to do with the essential issue of gender disparity in the workplace?...

what the hell makes you think gender disparity in the workplace is the only thing Status of Women deals with?

 

[CDNBear]

what the hell makes you think gender disparity in the workplace is the only thing Status of Women deals with?

I honestly have no problem with organizations that support women, but this is nothing more then a government funded lobby group that is just doubling services provided by other government and privately funded organizations, with a vague mandate and going into matters that do not pertain to the betterment of woman. So why do we need to support it? It's a waste.

 

[BitWhys]

I honestly have no problem with organizations that support women, but this is nothing more then a government funded lobby group that is just doubling services provided by other government and privately funded organizations, with a vague mandate and going into matters that do not pertain to the betterment of woman. So why do we need to support it? It's a waste.

If you honestly believe that helping women get their first identification papers is "lobbying" then you're prepared to allow Oda to cut a mighty wide swath. good luck with that. less cynical and more patient than I are convinced you're going to need it. luck, that is.

 

[tamarin]

Status of Women is a well organized professional mooch association. It posits that women are disadvantaged because of inherent injustices in Canada and not because of the consequence of personal choice. It wants to use public money to address personal causes. It will rise and fall on the proof there's systemic discrimination in the workplace. And there's not any. It's time it cleaned up its act and secured private funding.

 

[CDNBear]

If you honestly believe that helping women get their first identification papers is "lobbying" then you're prepared to allow Oda to cut a mighty wide swath. good luck with that. less cynical and more patient than I are convinced you're going to need it. luck, that is.

Do you have any idea how many organizations out there do just that for both genders?

Did you miss it when I posted them earlier?

 

[Curiosity]

One day when I have time....

I am going to set up a "study group" to investigate government welfare scams.

From my limited experience - it is shocking to know that not only are the public being scammed but the government (who rush into these money trees) have no idea nor care what they are actually fronting as long as they continue to
"report" regularly and receive funding regularly along with generous salaries which is another scam in itself.

As I said in my earliest comment - only welfare on a local community basis can succeed because you can't scam the locals who know exactly where the need should be addressed and what kind of remediation can
be offered.

And I repeat - it should never be gender specific. That separation emasculates the male of the species and reduces the women in poverty to beggars because some women stay "single" in order to receive help.... and even worse... produce unwanted children to clinch the deal.

 

[TenPenny]

I see that the good folks of Nova Scotia are upset that the SoW office in Halifax will be closed; apparently, women in MONCTON couldn't understand all of the issues involved with women who "live in coastal communities and rural Cape Breton."

 

[Sassylassie]

One day when I have time....

I am going to set up a "study group" to investigate government welfare scams.

From my limited experience - it is shocking to know that not only are the public being scammed but the government (who rush into these money trees) have no idea nor care what they are actually fronting as long as they continue to
"report" regularly and receive funding regularly along with generous salaries which is another scam in itself.

As I said in my earliest comment - only welfare on a local community basis can succeed because you can't scam the locals who know exactly where the need should be addressed and what kind of remediation can
be offered.

And I repeat - it should never be gender specific. That separation emasculates the male of the species and reduces the women in poverty to beggars because some women stay "single" in order to receive help.... and even worse... produce unwanted children to clinch the deal.

Welfare fraud is one of my pet peeves Curio, can I be the first person to join your lobby group?

Ten this is one gal from Nova Scotia that is happy to see this bloated over funded "Girls" club shut down, it has never served a useful purpose and it's programs panders to Socialist Ideals that are out dated and frankly sexest against males. A few good causes may of benefited from the Status of Women but it's been a cash cow for those who have worked for this organization as a make shift life time career scam and I hope all it's funding is scraped.

 

[CDNBear]

Welfare fraud is one of my pet peeves Curio, can I be the first person to join your lobby group?

Ten this is one gal from Nova Scotia that is happy to see this bloated over funded "Girls" club shut down, it has never served a useful purpose and it's programs panders to Socialist Ideals that are out dated and frankly sexest against males. A few good causes may of benefited from the Status of Women but it's been a cash cow for those who have worked for this organization as a make shift life time career scam and I hope all it's funding is scraped.

Do you have any idea what you would be labelled if you a) started such a groupd, b) joined such a group?

Well for those of us that are tierd of supporting the cronicly lazy, you would be smart, well informed, fiscally responsible. To the socialists you would be a facist, a nazi, a grinch, an asshole.

I'm pretty sure I know which group I want to be in, lol.

 

[Tonington]

Has anyone stopped and thought about what our society might look like if the wages were on a 1:1 ratio? This may ruffle some feathers but I think it's a valid point. If the women of Canada were concentrating on their careers and earning as much as the men are, by this I mean in all the same fields, what would happen to the birth rate of our country? As it is the government is increasing immigration and my generation is going to be carrying a large burden tax wise once all those boomers are out of the workforce.

 

[CDNBear]

Has anyone stopped and thought about what our society might look like if the wages were on a 1:1 ratio? This may ruffle some feathers but I think it's a valid point. If the women of Canada were concentrating on their careers and earning as much as the men are, by this I mean in all the same fields, what would happen to the birth rate of our country? As it is the government is increasing immigration and my generation is going to be carrying a large burden tax wise once all those boomers are out of the workforce.

My minds not hungry at the moment, so stop with the food for thought,lol. Just kidding.

That is an excellent point and likely the reason we need immagration to increase our population Tonington.

 

[Ariadne]

If you honestly believe that helping women get their first identification papers is "lobbying" then you're prepared to allow Oda to cut a mighty wide swath. good luck with that. less cynical and more patient than I are convinced you're going to need it. luck, that is.

First identification papers? As in a SIN? Birth Certificate? Passport (a la "I live in Canada", er Lebanon) ... what papers? Why can't these people go to a government office, like everyone other than females between the ages of 18 and 100 presumably do, and fill out their papers with the help of a help desk person? Why do some females need this special service?

 

[Ariadne]

I see that the good folks of Nova Scotia are upset that the SoW office in Halifax will be closed; apparently, women in MONCTON couldn't understand all of the issues involved with women who "live in coastal communities and rural Cape Breton."

I can just imagine all the gender issues association with living on the coast ... they must be devastated. Rural living ... another good example of a serious gender issue. Why do those women insist on living in those places when they are obviously disadvantaged because they are female!

 

[Ariadne]

My minds not hungry at the moment, so stop with the food for thought,lol. Just kidding.

That is an excellent point and likely the reason we need immagration to increase our population Tonington.

So what jobs pay women less than men? Can anyone think of a job where the pay is different?