Tories shutting down Status of Women offices

[TenPenny]

and thanks for that. unequal distribution's a good place to start.

And until you come to some idea of why there is an unequal distribution, everything else you say is pointless.

Let's take, oh, say, lawyers. A lawyer who wants to advance in the corporate law field will need to work 60 to 80 hours per week. There are people who want to do this; however, most of them are men. I know some who come to pick their kids up, and don't even know it's the last day of school, because they are so busy they don't know what's going on. A stereotypical woman will probably be somewhat interested in her family, and therefore wont' work 80 hours per week, and therefore wont' become top dog in the corporate law field. Does this mean it's unfair to women? No.

Let's look at, oh, GPs. Typical male GP works 60 hours per week. Typical female GP works 40-50. So their incomes are different. Is there a point? No. If you want to work more, you make more money. Is the system unfair? No.

 

[Sassylassie]

This is rather a silly arguement, somewhere between your two positions is the truth.

These Status of Women offices were a waste of money, period.

Is there an office for the Status of Men somewhere. Maybe I can get a grant I could use to promote men instead of women, even though ALL the women welders I have seen, including the one I have on staff now, have always been better welders then most men.

So with the inane logic of these Staus offices, it is my contention that woman will take over the welding work force if I do not do something quick to make it easier for men to do.

LOL Bear, YES women are plotting to take over the welding field but our first target will be Firemen (it's the uniform) so you will have to wait a while for the revolution.

 

[TenPenny]

LOL Bear, YES women are plotting to take over the welding field but our first target will be Firemen (it's the uniform) so you will have to wait a while for the revolution.

Careful, a friend of mine is a Capt in the East Chezzetcook fire dept...and she'd give me a whuppin.

 

[Colpy]

LOL Bear, YES women are plotting to take over the welding field but our first target will be Firemen (it's the uniform) so you will have to wait a while for the revolution.

Firemen have been the target of most of the young women I used to know.....OH, you mean the JOB!

Never mind.

 

[Jay]

(Party my choice, I love my work!)

I bet you do! :wink:

 

[Sassylassie]

Does anyone know if there is a website for the status of women? I'd like to know exactly what they do and how they spend the 25 mil they got?

Good comeback Colphy.:laughing7:

 

[BitWhys]

* sigh *

http://www.swc-cfc.gc.ca/funding/wp/wpguide_e.html#whatfund

The Women's Program provides funding and technical assistance for projects that have a direct impact on women in their communities. To be eligible for funding, applicants must demonstrate how their projects contribute to the achievement of the full participation of women in the economic, social and cultural life of Canada. Priority will be given to projects addressing issues pertaining to the following:

Aboriginal women
Immigrant women and visible minority women
Senior women

The following are examples of issues that may be addressed through Women's Program funded projects:
Entrepreneurship (self-employment, small business, micro-credit businesses, women's representation in corporate, trade and other boards, etc.)

Increasing the representation of women in key or non-traditional professions
Supporting the economic security of senior women
Violence, such as elder or domestic abuse, human trafficking, etc.

Its hilarious so many people think it will be more effective to air drop these sorts of initiatives from Ottawa.

I can't wait until the next set of cuts when everybody gets to complain that the remaining staff is nothing but a bunch of rubber stamps. You get what you pay for.

 

[Tonington]

LOL Bear, YES women are plotting to take over the welding field but our first target will be Firemen (it's the uniform) so you will have to wait a while for the revolution.

Awesome, then we'll have calenders of women firefighters!

 

[Ariadne]

Aggregate statistics like those really don't say very much that's useful. In every place I've ever worked, men and women were paid the same for doing the same job, the stats reflect the fact that women tend to cluster in the lower paying jobs. Go into any office anywhere and you'll find that by far the majority of the clerical, administrative, and secretarial jobs are held by women, and the higher up the organizational structure you go, the more men come to dominate. Why that's so I don't know, though I've seen a lot of specious attempts to explain it. It's not on the face of it a justification for claiming discrimination against women, though a lot of people have tried. It's a truism that when you're hiring, you can choose only from the pool of people who come forward, so there's a certain amount of self-selection going on. One of the deeper questions obviously has to be, why do women make those choices? I don't know the answer to that either, but it's certainly one of the things an outfit like Status of Women Canada should have been researching.

I work with technology and it seems to me that there's a general belief that computers are a male thing. If a 25 year old male and a 50 year old female of equal qualifications apply for the same tech position, I would guess that 9 times out of 10 it will go to the young male - nothing to do with qualifications. The Status of Women Action Committee cannot do anything to change this. Maybe in about 20 years the social perception of women and computers will change and then the opportunities will balance out.

 

[CDNBear]

I work with technology and it seems to me that there's a general belief that computers are a male thing. If a 25 year old male and a 50 year old female of equal qualifications apply for the same tech position, I would guess that 9 times out of 10 it will go to the young male - nothing to do with qualifications. The Status of Women Action Committee cannot do anything to change this. Maybe in about 20 years the social perception of women and computers will change and then the opportunities will balance out.

Maybe in twenty years the simple fact of wasting time on someone that will likely retire in 5 to 15 years as apposed 30 to 40, will be lost on the HR staff of the world and your point will be irrelevant.

Simple business phylosophy, hire young, seed and reep. Not hire old, seed and waste.

 

[Ariadne]

Maybe in twenty years the simple fact of wasting time on someone that will likely retire in 5 to 15 years as apposed 30 to 40, will be lost on the HR staff of the world and your point will be irrelevant.

Simple business phylosophy, hire young, seed and reep. Not hire old, seed and waste.

I don't see that time is wasted by hiring skills and experience versus skills alone.
BTW, I made a cartoon for you and left it on that other delightful discussion that we had.

 

[CDNBear]

I don't see that time is wasted by hiring skills and experience versus skills alone.=Dealing with bad habits and "this is the way we used to it's"

BTW, I made a cartoon for you and left it on that other delightful discussion that we had.=Likely the product of that oh so lofty intellect and degree.

 

[Ariadne]

I don't see that time is wasted by hiring skills and experience versus skills alone.=Dealing with bad habits and "this is the way we used to it's"

BTW, I made a cartoon for you and left it on that other delightful discussion that we had.=Likely the product of that oh so lofty intellect and degree.

What degree?

 

[BitWhys]

I realize there aren't very many of you, but for those of you who aren't content to allow sidetracks avoid what's at stake, here's a reminder.

During yesterday's Statements by Members, Judy provided a prime example of the real impact this slash-and-burn populism is actually having...

Mr. Speaker, no one can dispute the importance of helping low income Canadians to acquire the tools they need to move out of poverty. For women, increased financial knowledge and skills building rank high among those tools.

In Winnipeg's north end, the women and money project has been providing these tools to women since 2000, from basics such as getting identification papers and navigating through financial forms, to training in job skills and valuable work experience. The women and money project has been a great success, or it had been until the Conservatives cut off its funding, part of the government's offensive against any measure that empowers women.

Winnipeg North just celebrated the opening of the Community Financial Services Centre, a groundbreaking initiative and the first of its kind in Canada that will provide access to financial services, counselling and micro-loans to those abandoned by big banks and left to the mercy of payday lenders. This is a testament to the power of a community to rise above all odds in the face of big money interests.

We cannot allow the women and money project to die. The government must reinstate its funding.

 

[Ariadne]

I realize there aren't very many of you, but for those of you who aren't content to allow sidetracks avoid what's at stake, here's a reminder.

And then for balance, according to the SWAC website: http://www.swc-cfc.gc.ca/resources/gba/cs/index_e.html the Gender Based Analysis is as follows:
Gender-based Analysis

Case Studies

• Anti-Smoking (to come)
  
• Anti-Terrorism Legislation in Canada (to come)
• Climate Change (to come)
  
• Crime Prevention (to come)
  
• Emergency Preparedness (to come)
  
• HIV/AIDS (to come)
• Urban Transport (to come)

What does half of this have to do with gender anyway???

 

[BitWhys]

why don't you wait for the reports and find out?

no worries. mocking what one doesn't understand is common enough.

 

[CDNBear]

What degree?

Based on your masterful command of the English language as you complain about the raw deal that men have in life, I'm pretty sure that nothing I write will ever appear as "intelligent" to you. It does amuse me that you use the tactic of insulting my intelligence and accuse me of hating men, but that's about as far as it goes. I have a funny feeling that if we were to compare academic credentials or even intelligence quotient scores, there wouldn't be any doubt as to who lacked intelligence.

If I mistook that for a degree, my most humblest apologies. In retrospect though, I should have seen that I was wrong anyways. Regardless of whatever piece of paper you have, from your posts, it seems to have the merit of TP.

 

[Ariadne]

why don't you wait for the reports and find out?

no worries. mocking what one doesn't understand is common enough.

Sure. Let's take the Anti-smoking bylaws. What do you suppose that has to do with gender? Are the status of women people going to fight for the rights of women to smoke at work but men can fend for themselves? Can you envision any way that anti-smoking bylaws are, or should be, gender specific?

 

[Ariadne]

If I mistook that for a degree, my most humblest apologies. In retrospect though, I should have seen that I was wrong anyways. Regardless of whatever piece of paper you have, from your posts, it seems to have the merit of TP.

Why don't you try contributing something to the subject at hand.

 

[CDNBear]

I realize there aren't very many of you, but for those of you who aren't content to allow sidetracks avoid what's at stake, here's a reminder.

Oddly enough, all training and assistance woman can get from the YWCA, Community Support Centers, Job Skills Canada, ALL Emplyment Offices, The Untied Way Outreach Centers, Covenant House, ALL Womens shelters.

So if it is being done by government agencies and non profit groups, why do we have to double dip and pay these womans groups to essentially provide a duplicate service?