Tories fess up to hundreds of thousands in undisclosed donations

[RomSpaceKnight]

The Liberals have formed 70% of the goverments in Canada. It therefore makes sense they would have committed 70% of the usual political shenanigans. Give Haper and the boys a chance and they will screw us just as much as the other bunch. Maybe both Libs and Cons needa good shakeup. Maybe we should elect the NDP next time. But only if we give them a minority and can get them out of power before they bankrupt us through social services and infrastructure projects.

 

[L Gilbert]

Maybe we should all just tell Ottawa that the only thing it can govern is itself.

 

[BitWhys]

Unfortunately anarchy isn't an option. I'm not too keen on the idea of Balkanization, either.

 

[BitWhys]

The Liberals have formed 70% of the goverments in Canada. It therefore makes sense they would have committed 70% of the usual political shenanigans. Give Haper and the boys a chance and they will screw us just as much as the other bunch. Maybe both Libs and Cons needa good shakeup. Maybe we should elect the NDP next time. But only if we give them a minority and can get them out of power before they bankrupt us through social services and infrastructure projects.

a dipper majority would be way too much of a jump. too many rookies. coalition would be fun, though.

 

[L Gilbert]

Unfortunately anarchy isn't an option. I'm not too keen on the idea of Balkanization, either.

Me either. Having Ottawa butt out of the provinces' biz would be a good thing, IMO, though.

A coalition might work well if we could keep the children from too much arguing about whose party was better than the rest long enough to get some production outta them.

 

[BitWhys]

heh

same old same old

afa the provinces' biz goes, the Bloc is not without its contributions.

 

[CDNBear]

So if people are in concert with you in disagreeing with my opinion on one issue it gives you the right to speak on their behalf on other matters even though they are unrelated?

how convenient. excuse me for not subscribing to the same belief.

Seeing as you can not refute what I have laid claim to, keep up the smug whining...

Good call.

Seeing as you missed the point as well, I did not lend voice, I used factual evidence that your views are exposed for what they are, by the shear number of those that see through your tripe, now get over it and move on. Or I may have to dig up the old sookie, MikeyDB's no longer needs, for ya.

The Harpo conservatives have begun the clensing Ottawa needs to rid itself of the wasteful practices of the last socialist regime. Thank or lucky stars. So what if they were sneeky in their contibution disclosures. The one evil, does not outwiegh the evils committed under the liberal rule.

 

[BitWhys]

The only claims you've made, and there are a lot of them, I haven't responded to is your gratuitious insults and muckraking using your slant about old threads. That you would even expect me to respond to them directly speaks volumes in itself.

here's the thing about the actual topic...
The CPC would have us believe they've straightened the books.

I would hope whoever eventually accepts or rejects the revised statement on behalf of Elections Canada would refuse to believe the CPC let some 2,900(+) delegates pay only $186 each to get in. They would have had to recieve only $539,915 in additional donations, a doubtful proposition since the lowest registration fee on the bill was $299 for student delegate early birds.

If not Elections Canada, someone in opposition should be able to find some effective means of pointing out the discrepency. Failing that I would hope someone would at least get around to asking why Harper had to pay back $456 when he's on record in the new version as only having donated $4,500. That's $900 short of the limit.

The CPC. The party that thinks it can have its cake and eat it too.

 

[CDNBear]

The only claims you've made, and there are a lot of them, I haven't responded to is your gratuitious insults and muckraking using your slant about old threads. That you would even expect me to respond to them directly speaks volumes in itself.

here's the thing about the actual topic...
The CPC would have us believe they've straightened the books.

I would hope whoever eventually accepts or rejects the revised statement on behalf of Elections Canada would refuse to believe the CPC let some 2,900(+) delegates pay only $186 each to get in. They would have had to recieve only $539,915 in additional donations, a doubtful proposition since the lowest registration fee on the bill was $299 for student delegate early birds.

If not Elections Canada, someone in opposition should be able to find some effective means of pointing out the discrepency. Failing that I would hope someone would at least get around to asking why Harper had to pay back $456 when he's on record in the new version as only having donated $4,500. That's $900 short of the limit.

The CPC. The party that thinks it can have its cake and eat it too.

The fact that you have responded, while trying to cast a shadow over me, then claim not have responded, in and of itself, explains alot about why you support who you do.

Look, I have never dissagreed with your assertion that these actions are anything, but criminal. But hey, they're politicians, what were you hoping for, the actions of a group of fiscal martyrs?

My only concern and biggest peeve, is that supporters, such as yourself, find, but a few minor faults and then blow them well out proportion.

This being the case here.

Yes, there is wrong doing, yes, we need to get to the bottom of it, yes, those responsible, should be hung out to dry.

Do we not see eye to eye on that?

 

[BitWhys]

The fact that you have responded, while trying to cast a shadow over me, then claim not have responded, in and of itself, explains alot about why you support who you do.

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If you read what I said more carefully you'll notice I said "respond to them directly", which is the case. What I responded to this time was your claim there was anything substantial to refute, which there isn't. Please stop trying to twist my words. The fact I had to edit the word "directly" in because I saw that coming is a sad testament to how predictable the trolling on this board has become. Maybe its a seasonal thing.

Yes, there is wrong doing, yes, we need to get to the bottom of it, yes, those responsible, should be hung out to dry.

Do we not see eye to eye on that?

Of course we do. Oddly enough, you've said more about what would constitute justice in this matter than I have. I'm still waiting for the audit.

 

[CDNBear]

If you read what I said more carefully you'll notice I said "respond to them directly", which is the case. What I responded to this time was your claim there was anything substantial to refute, which there isn't. Please stop trying to twist my words. The fact I had to edit the word "directly" in because I saw that coming is a sad testament to how predictable the trolling on this board has become. Maybe its a seasonal thing.

What you see as trolling, I see as exposing weakness and bias. I seek only to balance the BS and political bias rhetoric. Despite your obvious intellegence, you are a bouniful supplier of the latter.

Of course we do. Oddly enough, you've said more about what would constitute justice in this matter than I have. I'm still waiting for the audit.

That is because I can not stand politicians, the crooked business practices they embrace, the lies they spew upon the unwittingly mis-informed public or the smug self righteous way in which they do it.

This act by the conservatives just bolsters my opinion of them, quite nicely. All asshats.

 

[BitWhys]

What you see as trolling, I see as exposing weakness and bias...

You'd be well advised to stop assuming that the only opinion worth listening to is that of one with no opinion at all.

 

[CDNBear]

You'd be well advised to stop assuming that the only opinion worth listening to is that of one with no opinion at all.

Really...?

This coming from you, is interesting, to say the least. Considering I have seen you dismiss and then pick apart OP-ED pieces on this very forum.

I would rather the cold hard, sterile facts, than some heated spin with all the rhetoric and posturing of a peacock or the cryptic mystique of some wise sage.

Then and only then, can you achieve an informed opinion of your own.

 

[BitWhys]

Really...?

This coming from you, is interesting, to say the least. Considering I have seen you dismiss and then pick apart OP-ED pieces on this very forum.

I would rather the cold hard, sterile facts, than some heated spin with all the rhetoric and posturing of a peacock or the cryptic mystique of some wise sage.

Then and only then, can you achieve an informed opinion of your own.

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[CDNBear]

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That's the about the best response I could have imagined.

Face it, you have no concrete proof of monumental corruption in the CPC, so you'll have to make do with this rather binign act of unscrupulous behavior for now.

Come back after the audit and try and rub my face in it. I doubt there will be anything to it so, good luck with that.

 

[BitWhys]

...Face it, you have no concrete proof of monumental corruption in the CPC, so you'll have to make do with this rather binign act of unscrupulous behavior for now...

where did I call it "monumental corruption"?

In one breath you say you prefer cold hard fact and in the next you argue against something I never even said.

pick a horse.

 

[CDNBear]

where did I call it "monumental corruption"?

In one breath you say you prefer cold hard fact and in the next you argue against something I never even said.

pick a horse.

Just analys the energy you have spent trying to battle my exposure of your bias. The conservatives are on your hit list, just go look at all the one sided critisim you levy against them, all the while conveniently missing the cold truth about real corruption in Ottawas past.

Your fevered pitch and subsequent nit pickery of what I say in my posts, is proof of how you view this topic, people that dissagree with you and the conservatives in general. No big deal, your on the horse you picked. But calling others horses bad, while riding a bucking bronco, is rather silly. Don't you think?

I picked my horse, it's a pretty high one, lmao. And I'm watching all the pretty little red, blue and green ones beneath me, roll around and throw muck at each other, while wollowing in the own shyte.

 

[Fingertrouble]

If that was addressed to me, my guess is that I tread upon your party of choice?

With your seemingly repentant views of the liberal party, perhaps you should run for a liberal post. You seem as willing to be oblivious to corruption and theft as they do.

You can put away your crystal ball, because I think it's a dud. I am actually a Conservative and proud of it. I believe that this past 11 months or so under this government has been a breath of fresh air. To think, a Prime Minister who actually follows through on his election promises, does what he said he would do and actually gets more acheived in a minority government than the Liberals did in 13 years (I know that this comment is exagerated, but every time I hear the Liberals slam the Conservatives about Kyoto I find myself thinking about all the things they did to prepare for Kyoto over the 10 or so years they had...nope, could find enough things to even write on the back of a postage stamp)

I was disappointed about the donations thing with the conservatives. It shouldn't have happened, but to compare it to the sponsorship scandal is all Liberal posturing as they have nothing else to hit home at the consevatives about.

 

[CDNBear]

You can put away your crystal ball, because I think it's a dud. I am actually a Conservative and proud of it. I believe that this past 11 months or so under this government has been a breath of fresh air. To think, a Prime Minister who actually follows through on his election promises, does what he said he would do and actually gets more acheived in a minority government than the Liberals did in 13 years (I know that this comment is exagerated, but every time I hear the Liberals slam the Conservatives about Kyoto I find myself thinking about all the things they did to prepare for Kyoto over the 10 or so years they had...nope, could find enough things to even write on the back of a postage stamp)

I was disappointed about the donations thing with the conservatives. It shouldn't have happened, but to compare it to the sponsorship scandal is all Liberal posturing as they have nothing else to hit home at the consevatives about.

I couldn't for the most part agree with you more.

The only thing that Harpo has done that has impressed me, is stick to his guns on key issues. Then of course, I think about the much touted Transparency and accountablity BS, then think, nope, he's just a politician, nothing new here.

Given enough time, he would likely end up in the same smelly place as the liberal party.

 

[BitWhys]

...I picked my horse, it's a pretty high one, lmao. And I'm watching all the pretty little red, blue and green ones beneath me, roll around and throw muck at each other, while wollowing in the own shyte.

no point in arguing with that