Tories fess up to hundreds of thousands in undisclosed donations

[CDNBear]

If you think you can do better...and I am sure that you can if you put your mind to it.....then stand for office and give every other member of the public to take you to you word and lets see if you can do all that you gas about...and I wonder would you get re-elected.......

If that was addressed to me, my guess is that I tread upon your party of choice?

Hence the asinine comment.

Dismissal of facts and illegal actions is not very becoming. Hence why I do not dismiss the acts perpetrated by the conservatives, in this event. I merely took on the challenge of balancing the minucia that was leveled agianst them, by someone who has an axe to grind. Much like yourself.

With your seemingly repentant views of the liberal party, perhaps you should run for a liberal post. You seem as willing to be oblivious to corruption and theft as they do.

Have at it. I have already established my lack of political will, yet challenge all sides in meaningful commentary on Native issues, in Ottawa, only to have those issues dismissed, to preserve the status quo.

So please save your sactamonious tripe for some other wayward wind bag, that has not challenged the system. Much like yourself, I am sure.

Hey, wow, I just went off MikeyDB, style. And it felt good, lol. Now I know why he does it.

 

[BitWhys]

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If the Finance Office had no idea where the money was going they should have. There were suposed to be checks and balances in place to safe guard the process...

That's where you're wrong, particularly since the funds were allocated via the PMO. The Finance Minister is responsible for the disposition of spending authority. Its the Treasury Board and individual cabinet ministers that are responsible for management and accounting of funds. It was a Public Works internal audit that first exposed the problem. That was as it should be.

 

[L Gilbert]

That's where you're wrong, particularly since the funds were allocated via the PMO. The Finance Minister is responsible for the disposition of spending authority. Its the Treasury Board and individual cabinet ministers that are responsible for management and accounting of funds. It was a Public Works internal audit that first exposed the problem. That was as it should be.

LOL And it's the PM that's supposed to be responsible for what goes on in his/her gov't, and not keep brooming stuff under the carpet.

 

[BitWhys]

LOL And it's the PM that's supposed to be responsible for what goes on in his/her gov't, and not keep brooming stuff under the carpet.

That has nothing to do with Martin's role as Finance Minister.

 

[CDNBear]

That has nothing to do with Martin's role as Finance Minister.

Even pro liberal media outlets pegged Martain. The buck should have at least passed his office once of twice on its way to the PMO.

In any event, this is but the most publicized piece of corruption from the liberal caucus. Im surethere are more. It was just a drop in the bucket for the rampant corruption that permiates the liberal party.

 

[BitWhys]

Even pro liberal media outlets pegged Martain. The buck should have at least passed his office once of twice on its way to the PMO...

You do understand the word "exonerated", no? Claiming to understand the mechanisms of government better than Gomery simply betrays a stubborn allegiance to opinion formed in lieu of fact.

got any links to that pegging?

 

[Numure]

Since you have obviously missed the class on this...

I'll put you through a clinic, again...

I am a business owner, I live off the res...

Therefore...

I pay taxes.

Likely, a considerable amount more then you.

Unless you're in the 6 figures, I doubt it. What's the name of your business?

 

[CDNBear]

You do understand the word "exonerated", no? Claiming to understand the mechanisms of government better than Gomery simply betrays a stubborn allegiance to opinion formed in lieu of fact.

got any links to that pegging?

Considering the time lapsed between now and then, and the rather obvious lack of acceptance on your part. I highly doubt I'll waste my time in searching archives, for not.

Look, you have your views. I have mine.

The difference is I base mine on the full extent of all involved, yours is based solely on your political leanings.

I would no soon post a thread on the absolution of Martains complicity, because it is tenuous at best, then I would to post a thread on the NDP supporting terrorists.

Why you ask? Because it is based on conjecture, just like your first replies and subsequent rebuttles. You do not support the conservatives, we get, you are not objective, we see that.

I personaly lean right, but not far enough to topple over on some party line as in burns. I take shots at the corruption and incompidence of whatever politico is screwin' the preverbial pouch. You do not, you turn a blind eye the corruption of the liberals, then focus your frustrations on the conservatives. I shot at all of them. Try being objective, they're all crppked, no one party is any less apt to rip off, sneek through, steal or lie, then any other. Get over it, your dear party is not immune. By contrast, they are the worst to date.

 

[BitWhys]

we??

 

[CDNBear]

we??

Go back to your thread on SoW and take a look at all those that opine over misspent and misguided funds and funding. Me included.

Those of us who are genuinely critical, not just critical of the party we do not support.

There is your "we".

 

[BitWhys]

Go back to your thread on SoW and take a look at all those that opine over misspent and misguided funds and funding...

If that's how you see it then I couldn't be more pleased.

 

[CDNBear]

If that's how you see it then I couldn't be more pleased.

Your pleased that you are seen as someone who is so blinded by bias, that you can not find fault in your corrupt dream team???

Your pleased that you are see as someone that is so bent on the down fall of the conservative movement, that you would misrepresent the facts to try and force your favoured outcome?

Your pleased that you are seen as someone that tries valiantly to seem somehow mystic and deep, but really is just shallow and biased?

I'm not sure which one should please you more?

 

[BitWhys]

I'm pleased that the forum's self-declared voice of the people has to hide behind accusations of bias in effort to achieve some pretense to himself of making a case.

in other news...

Kingsley to resign as Elections Canada head

Jean-Pierre Kingsley has announced that he will resign as head of Elections Canada in the new year.

The announcement that Kingsley will step down in February as the nation's chief electoral officer came in a statement from the Prime Minister's Office.
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can't say as I blame him. It ain't over.

 

[CDNBear]

I'm pleased that the forum's self-declared voice of the people has to hide behind accusations of bias in effort to achieve some pretense to himself of making a case.

in other news...

Kingsley to resign as Elections Canada head



can't say as I blame him. It ain't over.

Self declared voice of the people, wow you sure read into things eh?

I stated the obvious, something that is more then un-obtainable for you. I need not speak for others, I let their views speak for themselves. I merely counted myself among the un-impressed, unswayed, unmoved, unbiased, unmanipulated, that see through you tripe and your biased spin on the facts.

But I know, I should bow in the presence of someone as enlightend as you, the vanguard of the liberal race.

Humph, I think not. I am pleased though that you think so highly of me to equate me to the voice of the people.

 

[BitWhys]

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Those of us who are genuinely critical, not just critical of the party we do not support.

There is your "we".

Self declared voice of the people, wow you sure read into things eh?
...

Its rather cynical of you to say claim the first part and then turn around in the same thread and deny that you don't represent the majority of posters but hey, that's fine with me.

 

[CDNBear]

Its rather cynical of you to say claim the first part and then turn around in the same thread and deny that you don't represent the majority of posters but hey, that's fine with me.

I did not claim to represent anyone, I made referrence to the fact that I am not the only one that dissagrees with you. I used the facts in evidence (past posting attributes of fellow members) as my proof, that you are biased and hypocritical. period.

Your posts express a self righteous hypocracy that permiates the liberal mind set. Get over it. You are what you write.

I do not hide behind any pretence, I came right out to expose you as the hypocrit your posts portray.

The premice of the OP and the illegal activities of the conservative powers, are a common political action. C'mon, they're politicians. But you would have people believe that this was the end all of government corruption. If this is the worst thing the conservatives ever do, they are miles ahead of the liberal rat pack and you know it. Your narrow views, will never let you accept it mind you, but you are not un-intellegent.

 

[L Gilbert]

That has nothing to do with Martin's role as Finance Minister.

Perhaps not, but he shirked responsibility in whatever facade he was painting for himself: "Oh, I had no knowledge of that", "We haven't done anything wrong", etc. etc. ad infinitum, ad nauseum.
At any rate, as of this far, the Cons haven't been able to do anything nearly as nefarious nor as opprobrious as what the Hypogrits tried pulling off. (I wouldn't be surprised if they did try something just as shifty, though. That's the main reason why I can't trust a pol any farther than I can throw my house).

 

[Canadian_Ambassador]

This just gives us another excuse to toss them out in the next election. I never liked the Conservatives from the beginning. If Canadians trully wanted "change" in the last election, then we should have voted in the NDP or Greens, but instead we just voted in the same old corrupt politicians we always have.

The reason I consider the Liberals the lesser evils is because the Conservatives have too many right-wing nutjobs in their backbenches. Maybe Randy White is no longer there, but there's tons of other backbenchers who just haven't fessed up yet. That's why Harper is trying his hardest to keep them all quiet. He knows that they won't have any real power until a majority and then he'll let them loose. Garth Turner even warned us of this as well as other former Conservative MPs. Only in a majority, we'll start hearing all the crap like anti-abortion legislation, cracking down harder on marijuana rather than decriminalize like it should be and possibly even another "free vote" on same-sex marriage. Not to mention, drag us into any ol' war that the Americans get themselves into. Too much baggage for me to vote for them on fiscal responsiblity alone.

I'm not a socialist and I am pro-free trade, but I'm certainly dead-set against American-like social conservatism. I want a fiscally conservative, but socially liberal party and the Liberals are the closest that we got, considering that many former progessives switched to the Liberals anyway. At least they have been paying down our debt and managing our money pretty well, aside from the sponsership scandal. You know a scandal like that after 13 years in power isn't that bad considering that this is just the first year that the Conservatives have been in power and already we're pulling fresh skeletons out of their closet.

 

[L Gilbert]

This just gives us another excuse to toss them out in the next election. I never liked the Conservatives from the beginning. If Canadians trully wanted "change" in the last election, then we should have voted in the NDP or Greens, but instead we just voted in the same old corrupt politicians we always have.

The NDP would have the national debt astronomically higher than anyone else in no time flat, they'd have businesses moving out of Canada to avoid the high taxes, and the greens would have us all on foot and using expensive solar equiopment to heat our homes in the winters. Peachy.

The reason I consider the Liberals the lesser evils is because the Conservatives have too many right-wing nutjobs in their backbenches. Maybe Randy White is no longer there, but there's tons of other backbenchers who just haven't fessed up yet. That's why Harper is trying his hardest to keep them all quiet. He knows that they won't have any real power until a majority and then he'll let them loose. Garth Turner even warned us of this as well as other former Conservative MPs. Only in a majority, we'll start hearing all the crap like anti-abortion legislation, cracking down harder on marijuana rather than decriminalize like it should be and possibly even another "free vote" on same-sex marriage. Not to mention, drag us into any ol' war that the Americans get themselves into. Too much baggage for me to vote for them on fiscal responsiblity alone.

The Cons still haven't done anything anywhere near the Glibs on the the notoriety scale. The Cons trying to hide a couple million in donation against how many billions did aPAULing Martin and Co. try to scam? As far as corruption goes, the Cons are pickpockets in comparison to the master thieves that the Glibs are. Not only that, but the national debt is going down, not up, Harpy & Co. actually seem to have a direction instead of flipflopping around from one opinion to the opposite evvery five minutes like Martin & Co. Liberal platform? What platform? (I hate populists).

I'm not a socialist and I am pro-free trade, but I'm certainly dead-set against American-like social conservatism. I want a fiscally conservative, but socially liberal party and the Liberals are the closest that we got, considering that many former progessives switched to the Liberals anyway. At least they have been paying down our debt and managing our money pretty well, aside from the sponsership scandal. You know a scandal like that after 13 years in power isn't that bad considering that this is just the first year that the Conservatives have been in power and already we're pulling fresh skeletons out of their closet.

The Glibs fiscally conservative? roflmao All they did was balance the budget a few times. You know what balancing the budget is? It's projecting the amount you are going to spend over the year, and then meeting that spending at the end of the year. Surpluses? You know what they are? That's saying I'm going to spend $20,000 on house maintenance over the year and then finding out you've only spent $18, 000. You have not spent the other $2000 but you still have your $500,000 mortgage.

 

[BitWhys]

I did not claim to represent anyone, I made referrence to the fact that I am not the only one that dissagrees with you. I used the facts in evidence (past posting attributes of fellow members) as my proof, that you are biased and hypocritical. period...

So if people are in concert with you in disagreeing with my opinion on one issue it gives you the right to speak on their behalf on other matters even though they are unrelated?

how convenient. excuse me for not subscribing to the same belief.