Top dentists make $1 million on reserves

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Many good socialists go into govt so they can be Santa Claus, it can be okay. I remember an instructor at a community college in BC telling us in a class that when the college opened in the late 1960s, the union asked for the store and school admin gave it to them. Great pay and benefits in those days. Now it has gone too far the other way for many, especially in the private sector. The fed govt wishes to continue this tradition, which I agree with to a point.

I can see paying a premium for dentists to work up north or in remote areas, that is an issue for doctors across the country, but 7x more for dentists is a bit steep. For a dentist to make $1 million a year means he earns $500 an hour, 8 hours a day, 21 days a month, for 11 months.
You didn't read your own OP?
 

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In most offices, the dentist bills for all the work done by him, his assistants, and the hygienists, and any denturists working in the clinic.

dumpthemonarchy is assuming that the dentist is a single person working alone, which would be somewhat surprising. Perhaps it's true; do you have any evidence that it is the case?
 

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In most offices, the dentist bills for all the work done by him, his assistants, and the hygienists, and any denturists working in the clinic.

dumpthemonarchy is assuming that the dentist is a single person working alone, which would be somewhat surprising. Perhaps it's true; do you have any evidence that it is the case?

The article talks about mainly dentists, and the supporting infrastructure, which may actually be relevant. But we need to see more info here.

Dentists have always been called better businessmen than doctors, and better golfers.
 

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The article talks about mainly dentists, and the supporting infrastructure, which may actually be relevant. But we need to see more info here.

Dentists have always been called better businessmen than doctors, and better golfers.


Sort of unrelated, but I know someone (not a Dentist) who does work on
many northern reserves and remote communities, on a contract basis,
for the Federal Gov't.

He pays (out of pocket, up front) all of his expenses for travel and
accomodations and so on and so forth, and then bills out and waits for
cash to come back from the Gov't for his pay. I'm sure his billing reflects
not only his expenses and his pay (for his expertise, & willingness to do
the job and put up with the funding structure), but the fact that he has to
put out the cash for everything up front, & wait to be paid after the fact.

I'm assuming that Dentists flying to these remote places may be facing
the same or similiar realities, and their billing reflects this. I'm also
assuming that it would be easier to stay at home and run their practices,
avoiding the whole travel & wait for $$$ from the gov't eventually thing, so
to attract someone to bother putting up with that hastle, we see larger pay
than would otherwise be seen to just do a job and go home for supper
everynight to their family and their own beds.
 

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Sort of unrelated, but I know someone (not a Dentist) who does work on
many northern reserves and remote communities, on a contract basis,
for the Federal Gov't.

He pays (out of pocket, up front) all of his expenses for travel and
accomodations and so on and so forth, and then bills out and waits for
cash to come back from the Gov't for his pay. I'm sure his billing reflects
not only his expenses and his pay (for his expertise, & willingness to do
the job and put up with the funding structure), but the fact that he has to
put out the cash for everything up front, & wait to be paid after the fact.

I'm assuming that Dentists flying to these remote places may be facing
the same or similiar realities, and their billing reflects this. I'm also
assuming that it would be easier to stay at home and run their practices,
avoiding the whole travel & wait for $$$ from the gov't eventually thing, so
to attract someone to bother putting up with that hastle, we see larger pay
than would otherwise be seen to just do a job and go home for supper
everynight to their family and their own beds.

I used to do a lot of contract work up north back in the eighties. We billed out at $1000 per day. That wasn't my take home (unfortunately).
 

Ron in Regina

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I used to do a lot of contract work up north back in the eighties. We billed out at $1000 per day. That wasn't my take home (unfortunately).


The Guy I'm thinking about lives well, but is usually waiting on $20,000 to
$30,000 in out of pocket expences and pay to show up from the Fed's....
and this is ongoing on a month to month basis as I understand it. His
billing would reflect this.
 

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The article talks about mainly dentists, and the supporting infrastructure, which may actually be relevant. But we need to see more info here.

Dentists have always been called better businessmen than doctors, and better golfers.

That's because dentists operate as a business, doctors are treated as glorified public servants, and folks complain if the office is closed, and expect everything for nothing from doctors.

We need to see more info here, although it doesn't seem to stop some people (read: you) from making bizarre conclusions, and then whining because your mommy gave you 1/2 teaspoon less milk than someone else got, and his cookie had more chocolate chips on it, and your pillow wasn't as soft, and you really need a nap.
 

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The Guy I'm thinking about lives well, but is usually waiting on $20,000 to
$30,000 in out of pocket expences and pay to show up from the Fed's....
and this is ongoing on a month to month basis as I understand it. His
billing would reflect this.

We did OK with the oil patch but we also did business with aboriginal communities and the federal government. The Feds were brutal when it came to paying the bills. Some of the aboriginal groups were good and some were so bad we decided to work through Indian Affairs rather than deal directly. As slow as the feds were, we at least knew we would eventually get paid. In any event, there was a significant amount of money spent by the company up front. It wasn't quite the money tree some folks think.
 

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The secondary issue here is all the bureaucratic details of payment. The primary point is that aboriginals are getting this service for free. Dental service was not mentioned in any treaty made in earlier centuries. Aboriginals have to get dental services because they would be even more unhealthy than they already are, and this patchwork cannot work as well as the dental service most Canadians get. Like many services provided by the fed govt, it is too expensive and lousy. Centralised planning here misses most aboriginals.
 

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A few words in treaties can mean anything forever to some people. Is that using the strict American enterpretation of the constittution, whatever the found fathers said, that's what it means? Well, they never heard of the internet, and George Washington had wooden teeth.

Treaties are one of the best word games ever invented, fed by lawyers. Time to end these openended social programs. Indians have no power and we don't need them any more is the real bottom line here. It's all about an orderly transition to a post-treaty world. The current fantasy needs to encounter reality.
 

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A few words in treaties can mean anything forever to some people. Is that using the strict American enterpretation of the constittution, whatever the found fathers said, that's what it means? Well, they never heard of the internet, and George Washington had wooden teeth.
The treaties, like the Constitution, are a living document. The Founding Fathers dictated such, in regards to the Constitution. The Crown made it so with the Treaties, when they claimed as such, to exploit First Nations and resources.

Treaties are one of the best word games ever invented, fed by lawyers.
They've been dealt with legally for years. Lawyers or not, they are binding.

Time to end these openended social programs.

Indians have no power and we don't need them any more is the real bottom line here.
You don't have to keep confirming your penchant for fascism.

The current fantasy needs to encounter reality.
I've been saying that about your posts for a long time. I'm glad you finally admit it though.
 

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The treaties, like the Constitution, are a living document. The Founding Fathers dictated such, in regards to the Constitution. The Crown made it so with the Treaties, when they claimed as such, to exploit First Nations and resources.

The Canadian consititution is different from the dogmatic mysticism in the USA consittiion, they revere theirs, we don't. Canadians are a practical people, not hung up by ideology, or trying to figure out what people were thinking over 200 years ago. The crown and monarchy meant a great deal during when Canada felt itself to be a British country, now the public doesn't feel so British and the old attitudes lack meaning. Not too long ago, Italians were considered outsiders, not any more. Segregation is out, integration is in. That's the new name of the game for everyone in Canada.
 

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The big ugly of this situation in my opinion is that billions of dollars are culled from hard-working taxpayers to give free everything to a few. They get free medical, dental, post-secondary education, housing, etc. If I got half the handouts the Indians do I would be way richer than I am. It really is about time to integrate all as Canadians and share the wealth and expense equally.