Too Much Energy Used to Mine, Move Bitumen Says BC Firm

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The ecophiles are pissing and moaning about how the oil is getting the water, not added chemicals. So the question that was posed is quite fair.

I don't know who the ecophiles are, but the issue is NOT oil in the water.

The University of Alberta authors said
"We show that the oil sands industry releases the 13 elements considered priority pollutants (PPE) under the US Environmental Protection Agency’s Clean Water Act, via air and water, to the Athabasca River and its watershed. In the 2008 snowpack, all PPE except selenium were greater near oil sands developments than at more remote sites. Bitumen upgraders and local oil sands development were sources of airborne emissions. Concentrations of mercury, nickel, and thallium in winter and all 13 PPE in summer were greater in tributaries with watersheds more disturbed by development than in less disturbed watersheds. In the Athabasca River during summer, concentrations of all PPE were greater near developed areas than upstream of development. At sites downstream of development and within the Athabasca Delta, concentrations of all PPE except beryllium and selenium remained greater than upstream of development. Concentrations of some PPE at one location in Lake Athabasca near Fort Chipewyan were also greater than concentration in the Athabasca River upstream of development. Canada’s or Alberta’s guidelines for the protection of aquatic life were exceeded for seven PPE—cadmium, copper, lead, mercury, nickel, silver, and zinc—in melted snow and/or water collected near or downstream of development."​
 

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I don't know who the ecophiles are, but the issue is NOT oil in the water.


The ooip has many nasties 'attached' to it in its natural state... The only way for 'added' chemicals to get into the equation is via the refining process and for that to get into the water system and cause disease would require an ongoing practice of dumping into the river system... That simply is not happening
 

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Oh, I get it. There are no elements that come from the refining/upgrading process that are getting into the river. Never have been, never will be.

That's good to know, it's nice to have this cleared up.
 

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The ooip has many nasties 'attached' to it in its natural state... The only way for 'added' chemicals to get into the equation is via the refining process and for that to get into the water system and cause disease would require an ongoing practice of dumping into the river system... That simply is not happening

Emissions from the downstream processing of the ore fall out, this is not exactly unconventional knowledge. If you read the link provided, you'd see that they are finding toxic chemicals released during this processing, with the expected patterns of concentration from industrial fallout from stack emissions.

And as far as disease goes, it doesn't really matter how the compounds get into the river system. Use whatever euphemism you like, the process adds toxic chemicals to the watershed.
 

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How is the PEI sewage problem coming along?

An answer came from Ottawa this week. There is a price tag already to address the issue. Though none of the managers are shirking their responsibilities by pointing out someone elses problem. Has any of the companies in the patch even cost out a solution to the findings? Hmmm?
 

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Last week? WOW. That's amazing considering there has been raw sewage dumped into the oceans for how many decades? Why is Ottawa having to step in?

Has anything been done since the Athabasca/NRBS conclusion in 2002? You bet!
 

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Last week? WOW. That's amazing considering there has been raw sewage dumped into the oceans for how many decades?

Quite a few decades. How long has fallout been falling on the ground in Athabasca and running into the watershed? Ottawa also funded the carbon sequestration project in Saskatchewan. Ottawa also funds projects to clean up the operations in Athabasca.
 

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Quite a few decades. How long has fallout been falling on the ground in Athabasca and running into the watershed? Ottawa also funded the carbon sequestration project in Saskatchewan. Ottawa also funds projects to clean up the operations in Athabasca.

I'm thinking more than a few decades, there has been human waste produced from this area for a few hundred years.

As for Athabasca, the oil co.s are spending big money to deal with the issue since day 1... Can PEI say the same?


:lol: That was priceless.

Do you know why?
 

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Quite a few decades. How long has fallout been falling on the ground in Athabasca and running into the watershed? Ottawa also funded the carbon sequestration project in Saskatchewan. Ottawa also funds projects to clean up the operations in Athabasca.
A 45% redcution in emission and effluent discharge since the 90s (even after a massive expansions) was funded by who? Botswanans?
 

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I wonder what the tax revenues are that the CRA collects from the PEI sewage treatment facilities?

Oh, that's right - they really don't have those, do they...
Maybe PEI gets some of the $40 million paid out by oil companies into the Climate Change and Emissions Management Fund?
 

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I'm thinking more than a few decades, there has been human waste produced from this area for a few hundred years.
I don't know the exact figure. I assumed it's been multiple, not being from the area.

Ahh, turns out it hasn't been that long. It's only in the past couple years that untreated sewage has been overflowing when there is heavy precipitation, after a few lines were merged.

As for Athabasca, the oil co.s are spending big money to deal with the issue since day 1... Can PEI say the same?

Which issue? The toxic emissions are still falling out and running into the watershed.

Do you know why?

I suspect what you find priceless is quite different than what I find priceless. Let's hear why you find it priceless.

A 45% redcution in emission

Which emissions? I'd like to see that.