To Train Up A Child

[Mowich]

"Pain is the point
Make it a point to never use your hand for spanking … the hand-swatting is a release of the parent’s own frustration. A hand on a diapered bottom is useless as a spanking, but it is effective in causing permanent damage to the spine. There is no surface pain to the child thus whipped. Any pain would be deep inside, similar to a fall or a car wreck. Any spanking, to effectively reinforce instruction, must cause pain…. For the one-year-old child, a small, 10- to 12-inch long, willowy branch (stripped of any knots that might break the skin), about one-eighth inch in diameter is sufficient … a one-foot ruler, or belt or a three-foot cutting off of a shrub is [also] effective."

Series of excerpts from To Train Up A Child | News | National Post


"But for all the good the Pearls say To Train Up a Child has created — obedient, God-fearing youngsters with strong ties of loving fellowship — American authorities say three children are dead, thanks in part to their teachings. In all three cases, police found evidence the children’s parents owned the book or received the ministry’s training resources online.

"God wants us to hit our children: parents | News | National Post

 

[Cannuck]

There is no "one" way to discipline a child as there are many types of children.

 

[Goober]

God wants us to hit our children: parents

God wants us to hit our children: parents | News | National Post

God wants us to hit our children: parents -
I beg to differ

Michael and Debi Pearl believe God wants them to hit their children.

So, one could argue, do the thousands of others who’ve picked up the evangelical Christian couple’s self-published title, To Train Up a Child, a sliver of a book that has sold a remarkable 670,000 copies and been translated into at least 11 languages since it was published in 1994.

It’s a quick, simple read, full of the kind of prescriptions distraught parents might crave as they try to instill good behaviour in their children.

But for all the good the Pearls say To Train Up a Child has created — obedient, God-fearing youngsters with strong ties of loving fellowship — American authorities say three children are dead, thanks in part to their teachings. In all three cases, police found evidence the children’s parents owned the book or received the ministry’s training resources online.

The controversy has sparked a backlash against the couple — not only from secular society, but from Christians who fear their espousal of spanking is painting all religious parents with the same brush. Some have built websites such as WhyNotTrainAChild.com, which campaigns against the book’s teachings. A petition to get Amazon to stop selling it online had more than 6,500 signatures Friday.

At the same time, the controversy is reinvigorating a long-running debate among Christians about how to interpret what the Bible says about corporal punishment. The Pearls’ case is raising the discussion in churches in the United States and in Canada.

In an email interview with the National Post, Mr. Pearl said his approach to child rearing has been horribly miscast in the media.

“The false image they paint of our book and our ministry is indeed ugly and repulsive,” he said.

“But there are 3,000,000 satisfied adherents ready to bear witness to the sweet fruit To Train Up a Child has produced in their families.”

 

[gerryh]

Re: God wants us to hit our children: parents

.....http://forums.canadiancontent.net/news/103125-train-up-child.html

 

[Ron in Regina]

Nice catch. Missed that myself, & I'm sure Goober did too. Merged. Thanks.

 

[taxslave]

It is people like this that helped make me swear off religion. If this is the kind of god they see I want no part of them. I feel sorry for all the believers that will get tarred with the same brush just because they are religious. Much like calling all muslims terrorists.

 

[gerryh]

It is people like this, that take the bible literal, that give Christianity a bad name all the way around.

 

[Spade]

Horses are broken, dogs are trained, children must be nurtured.

 

[talloola]

Horses are broken, dogs are trained, children must be nurtured.

even horses are broken now with a much more intelligent and well thought out method than the
old wild west style, it could be called nurturing as well, and makes the horse and trainer
a much closer team, and i'm sure spares the back of the rider as well.

also dogs are not 'force' trained anymore, at least not by intelligent up to date trainers,
as there are methods that work very well, and don't include planting fear in the dog.

when it comes to children, who are much more intelligent than the above animals, nurturing and
intelligence with patience are the key, with nothing that instills fear and resentment in the
child.

 

[VanIsle]

Children should not be raised "in fear of God" and they should never be hit. It hurts. It's never forgotten. Until this moment, I've never heard of this book. Where were these people that bought the book raised? How were they raised? I did not need a book to tell me how to raise my children. I didn't need to be told what not to do. I "saw" what not to do. My oldest child is 44 years old! Even when he was born we knew not to shake a child, not to hit a child on the head. Even if you show you are angry, children have a look of fear on their face that is quite enough to know you've gone far enough. It's better to explain if they are old enough to understand, than it is to hit and - if they are not old enough to talk to, what's the point in hitting them? Will they understand that? They'll understand pain and fear.

 

[Nuggler]

8O WTF is "train up"..................sounds like action in the roundhouse.

Everyone knows if you want to "train up" one uses a 2 x 4 and steel toed boots. How else do they learn love? !

:love1:.............Ah been "trained up"............eyuk eyuk.

sick.

 

[SLM]

God wants us to hit our children?!?

How can so many people read the same book and get it all so wrong?

 

[Mowich]

God wants us to hit our children?!?

How can so many people read the same book and get it all so wrong?

I imagine it is along the same line of thinking that informs the minds of people who still believe in creationism, SLM.

Nice catch. Missed that myself, & I'm sure Goober did too. Merged. Thanks.

Oops.....my bad, I didn't realize that someone had already posted this. Sorry, Ron.

 

[gerryh]

Oops.....my bad, I didn't realize that someone had already posted this. Sorry, Ron.

Not your bad Mowich, you had posted it first.

 

[Mowich]

Not your bad Mowich, you had posted it first.

Oh, well thanks for letting me know gerry...........I appreciate that. :smile:

 

[VanIsle]

I imagine it is along the same line of thinking that informs the minds of people who still believe in creationism, SLM.



Oops.....my bad, I didn't realize that someone had already posted this. Sorry, Ron.

I am a very strong believer in creationism but that doesn't mean that I believe in hitting children nor do I know of any of my friends who believe in it and neither do my kids believe in it. Most people I associate with believe in creationism and none of them think that way.

 

[gerryh]

I am a very strong believer in creationism but that doesn't mean that I believe in hitting children nor do I know of any of my friends who believe in it and neither do my kids believe in it. Most people I associate with believe in creationism and none of them think that way.

That explains a lot.

 

[Goober]

I imagine it is along the same line of thinking that informs the minds of people who still believe in creationism, SLM.



Oops.....my bad, I didn't realize that someone had already posted this. Sorry, Ron.

It was my mistake - Not yours. My apologies.