'Time to set scientists free'

[captain morgan]

Whatever.

 

[mentalfloss]

Whatever.

That's what I thought.

 

[captain morgan]

What's the point?

Anytime that a solid argument is forwarded, you morph-off on some ideological rant. When was the last time that society had a purely free market? Pre-Roman times maybe?

The rebuttal you provided was as useless as tits on a bull

 

[petros]

It's not what they get paid, it's the motive of the organization they work for. If it is a private institution then it will be primarily motivated by profit.

You have an acute hypocrisy that you have to deal with petros.

You condemn pharmaceutical companies because of their influence from CEOs and profit margins, yet you also condemn public institutions and want them to be privatized.

That kind of double standard is not logical.

EVERYBODY works for profit. If you are with the Feds you go with whatever science keeps your working. If they (public or private) want posionous grapefruit, you job is to supply poisonous grapefruit or you don't get paid.

Scientists like to eat and live indoors. It's not a religion and there is no vow of poverty, so stop treating it like one.

 

[mentalfloss]

What's the point?

Anytime that a solid argument is forwarded, you morph-off on some ideological rant. When was the last time that society had a purely free market? Pre-Roman times maybe?

Look - as I said, I was simply denying the fallacy that corporate profit is always good for all of us. That's a Friedman tenet that has been proven wrong time and time again. You're the one that went on some ideological bent about Communism, Socialism and Europe, lol

EVERYBODY works for profit. If you are with the Feds you go with whatever science keeps you working. If they (public or private) want posionous grapefruit, you job is to supply poisonous grapefruit or you don't get paid.

Scientists like to eat and live indoors. It's not a religion and there is no vow of poverty, so stop treating it like one.

This has nothing to do with the way a private institution works versus a public one.

In a public institution, we can fund the research without truly knowing if it will actually bring us something substantially beneficial. In a private institution, the work is intrinsically linked to profit so they need to know in advance if the project is worth it.

We can take cancer research as an example. We're (supposedly) no where near a cure. Would this be something that a private institution would want to take head on even with the high costs and uncertainty about revenue?

 

[captain morgan]

Let's talk about what's real, not about some capitalism religion you believe in.

profit is something Friedman would say - and we all know that a purely free market is bad.

You're the one that went on some ideological bent about Communism, Socialism and Europe, lol

What a laugh

 

[mentalfloss]

What a laugh

That was a response to your ideological statement which started it all:

Make no mistake, the research must have value and the value is directly related to profit

Your dirty tricks are failing you again cap.

 

[petros]

Look - as I said, I was simply denying the fallacy that corporate profit is always good for all of us. That's a Friedman tenet that has been proven wrong time and time again. You're the one that went on some ideological bent about Communism, Socialism and Europe, lol



This has nothing to do with the way a private institution works versus a public one.

In a public institution, we can fund the research without truly knowing if it will actually bring us something substantially beneficial. In a private institution, the work is intrinsically linked to profit so they need to know in advance if the project is worth it.

We can take cancer research as an example. We're (supposedly) no where near a cure. Would this be something that a private institution would want to take head on even with the high costs and uncertainty about revenue?

All Fed science is holy and to the benefit of mankind?

 

[mentalfloss]

All Fed science is holy and to the benefit of mankind?

An assumptive question that you agree with me and disagree with yourself?

 

[petros]

Are there things you don't need to know about that are funded by you?

 

[mentalfloss]

Are there things you don't need to know about that are funded by you?

Does an egg lay a chicken on funding of science?

 

[petros]

A free range egg?

 

[Spade]

Geezus, muzzling is necessary if your pesky scientists discover your ideology wanting.

 

[Tonington]

Same as in any private lab

Private labs own the intellectual property created by their employees; scientists paid by the government who publish results in open journals are not creating intellectual property for 'the owners'.