Three weeks left: Will you change your mind

[the caracal kid]

breakthrough,

now other than liberal corruption do you want to vote con?

time for change: then change thing really. the problem is people are being played like pawns. Why do you really want the NDP to lose seats?

which is that is most dysfunctional: the voting public or the system (chicken and egg question for you)

 

[Colpy]

Five, tell me ONE thing that Belinda delinda has done in her new position? Other than agree with Harper that there should be fixed election dates! :wink:

Well, bluealberta:

On October 3, the Honourable Minister of Human Resources and Skills Development and the Minister responsible for Democratic Renewal, Belinda Stronach of the Liberal Government of Canada, announced arguably one of the best appointments made this year, where André Piché accepted an appointment to become the Commissioner for Employers. He has years of experience in the employment insurance field, and has served as a senior analyst for the Privy Council's Office.

Furthermore, under the leadership of Ms. Stronach, the Ministry of Human Resources and Skills Development has granted the Canadian Employment Insurance Commission (of which M. Piché is now a Commissioner) the authority to consult Canadians regarding employment insurance premiums, and the legislative authority to change the premiums from this year and on.

Additionally, Ms. Stronach announced that the Government of Canada, through her Ministry, would be providing funding to Alberta, more than $5.5 million, to establish and strengthen eighteen programs to give students and young people the ability to more easily transition between school and the workplace, or to return to school.

Furthermore, in order to aid the Government of Québec in its obligation to meet benefit requirements for its citizens, Ms. Stronach and her Ministry reduced the EI premiums throughout Québec in order to allow the Québecois Government to increase its own premiums, for the purpose of fulfilling those benefits.

Um, okay ... so that may be more than one, lol.

Belinda Stronach is a nasty opportunist, a sleazy politician, a election cheater, and a spoiled brat with absolutely no understanding of the importance of Parliamentary tradition and procedure.

She certainly belongs in the Liberal Party of Canada.

 

[Colpy]

Re: RE: Three weeks left: Will you change your mind

I will not be changing my vote; I will be voting for the Liberal candidate for Newton—North Delta, Sukh Dhaliwal.

While I do have concerns regarding accountability and transparency with the Liberal Party, I cannot vote in favour of a party who would rescind the Civil Marriage Act, or who would have supported the war in Iraq, or who would have supported Canada opting into the Balistic Missile Defence shield. And while I would love to vote for the NDP, that could make or break a Liberal Minority Government over the Conservatives.

But you can vote for a party that ignores the will of Parliament by failing to implement legislation passed against its wishes in the House. This, of course, makes this country a Liberal dictatorship, not a democracy.

But you will cast your vote for a party that has subverted the national police force, using them as a party enforcement tool at APEC, and in the Airbus scandal, and in the attack on the President of the BDC.

But you can vote for a party that has connections to the mob, alledgedly through both Joe Morselli, and Alphonso Gagliano. A party in which the Director General of the Quebec wing refused to testify unless given police protection because of what he interpreted as death threats from Mr. Morselli.

But you can vote for a party that has admitted to stealing over a million dollars, and still has not accounted for over $40 million still missing.

But you can vote for a party that, while claiming to address the above mess, refuses to name sitting Liberal MPs that they know got illegal cash.

Shall I go on?

For God's sake, as you are a lefty, vote NDP.

These people (the Liberals) are destroying a great nation. They must go.

 

[bluealberta]

For those that cannot understand the CPC platform, or have no desire to actually look at it, and for those who claim that Harper will be worse than Martin (how is beyond me, but what the hell), why not let the CPC tell it themselves, and you can go look yourselves. Then, please, come back and tell me where in these platforms you can honestly find fault. And simply saying that the tax platform won't work or the military program won't work is not enough, do some research and tell me, and us, why:

Halfway through the campaign and the question formed in every voter’s mind is which party can deliver the change in government necessary to bring political accountability to Ottawa.

The choice is clear.

Conservatives are standing up for what’s important.

Standing up for accountability:

Federal Accountable Act, sweeping reform to clean House;
Establishing an independent Director of Public Prosecutions to help clean up Ottawa; and
Democratic Reform to put Canada back in the forefront of democratic practice.

Standing up for opportunity:

Cutting the GST from seven to six to five percent to give all Canadians a tax break they can see and count on;

Protecting our fisheries with more provincial control and a capital gains tax cut for fishermen;

Easing the tax burden on small business and creating apprenticeship jobs;

Promoting education and training with tax deduction for school books, improvements to the Canada Student Loans Program, increased tax exemptions for scholarships and bursaries, a Tools Tax Deduction, and an Apprentice Incentive Grant; and
Investing in our farmers.

Standing up for security:

Cracking down on drug crime through mandatory prison sentences for serious drug crimes and ending house arrest.

Standing up for family:

Enacting a Patient Wait Times Guarantee to ensure Canadians get the health care they need when they need it;

Choice in Child Care with direct support to parents;

Giving Seniors retirement security and respect;

Supporting the Canadian Strategy for Cancer Control; and
Tax break for sports registration fees to allow every child to get in the game.

Standing up for community:

Taking real action on clean air with a tax credit for transit users.
Standing up for Canada:

Canada First defence strategy to ensure Canada is able to fulfill its sovereign duty at home – in the Arctic and on the West Coast – and around the world;

Delivering on issues important to British Columbia and Quebec;

and Veterans’ Bill of Rights to put veterans first.

Stephen Harper and a new Conservative government hold the promise of brighter days ahead.

As for Paul Martin, he’s run an unfortunate campaign thus far. After twelve years of Liberal waste, mismanagement, and corruption, the Liberals have little left. Canadians have no great expectations for Martin. And he’s sure to not disappoint.

 

[FiveParadox]

Belinda Stronach is a nasty opportunist, a sleazy politician, a election cheater, and a spoiled brat with absolutely no understanding of the importance of Parliamentary tradition and procedure.

She certainly belongs in the Liberal Party of Canada.

With all due respect, Colpy, you didn't address any points of my post, so why bother quoting it? Mudslinging does not contribute to a debate.

I have submitted valid facts, and valid things that the Hon. Belinda Stronach has done so far in her mandate as the Minister of Human Resources; as for Parliamentary tradition, the right to cross the floor is part of that; granted, it's controversial, and that's why it's done so rarely.

 

[Jersay]

Can everyone accept and be respectful to the decision of the other people who have already made up their minds with regards to this election. It might not be the way you want to vote, and it might anger you, but we are all adults and we can make our own choices.

All three major parties, Liberals, Conservative, and NDP, no one has yet said they would vote Bloc, have their own problems but they also are there to appeal to voters ideals.

So it would be pretty hard to turn a leftist into a right-wing voter, unless they are a swing voter.

 

[the caracal kid]

albertablue, do you trust the biased opinion of the used-car salesperson trying to sell you that car without doing your own research?

lets list some of the comments harpie has made over the years that show he is an opportunist (amung other things):

"You've got to remember that west of Winnipeg the ridings the Liberals hold are dominated by people who are either recent Asian immigrants or recent migrants from eastern Canada: people who live in ghettoes and who are not integrated into western Canadian society." (Stephen Harper, Report Newsmagazine, January 22, 2001)

“I do not intend to dispute in any way the need for defence cuts and the need for government spending cuts in general. …I do not share a not in my backyard approach to government spending reductions.” (Hansard, May 23, 1995)

“We must aim to make [Canada] a lower tax jurisdiction than the United States.” (Vancouver Province, April 6, 2004)

“It is imperative to take the initiative, to build firewalls around Alberta, to limit the extent to which an aggressive and hostile federal government can encroach upon legitimate provincial jurisdiction.” (National Post, January 24, 2001, “Open Letter to Ralph Klein”)

In 1997, Harper bragged that he was opposed to government programs to eliminate child poverty:
“These proposals included cries for billions of new money for social assistance in the name of “child poverty” and for more business subsidies in the name of “cultural identity”. In both cases I was sought out as a rare public figure to oppose such projects.” (The Bulldog, National Citizens Coalition, February 1997)

from:http://www.canadiandemocraticmovement.ca/displayarticle378.html

"The NDP could be described as basically a party of liberal Democrats, but it's actually worse than that, I have to say. And forgive me jesting again, but the NDP is kind of proof that the Devil lives and interferes in the affairs of men."

- Conservative leader Stephen Harper, then vice-president of the National Citizens Coalition, in a June 1997 Montreal meeting of the Council for National Policy, a right-wing American think tank.

"In terms of the unemployed, of which we have over a million-and-a-half, don't feel particularly bad for many of these people. They don't feel bad about it themselves, as long as they're receiving generous social assistance and unemployment insurance."

- Conservative leader Stephen Harper, then vice-president of the National Citizens Coalition, in a June 1997 Montreal meeting of the Council for National Policy, a right-wing American think tank.

"[Y]our country [the USA], and particularly your conservative movement, is a light and an inspiration to people in this country and across the world."

- Conservative leader Stephen Harper, then vice-president of the National Citizens Coalition, in a June 1997 Montreal meeting of the Council for National Policy, a right-wing American think tank.

"Now 'pay equity' has everything to do with pay and nothing to do with equity. It’s based on the vague notion of 'equal pay for work of equal value,' which is not the same as equal pay for the same job."

- Stephen Harper, NCC Overview, Fall 1998.

"I don't know all the facts on Iraq, but I think we should work closely with the Americans."

- Stephen Harper, Report Newsmagazine, March 25th 2002. As it turned out, Harper wasn't the only one who didn't know all the facts.

from:http://www.intheirownwords.ca/harper.html

 

[Jersay]

These are interesting quotes. Some are recent and some are old but all extremely interesting.

 

[Breakthrough2006]

breakthrough,

now other than liberal corruption do you want to vote con?

Corruption is a biggie. Not just because it is very evident in the Liberals but it's even more troubling when we haven't finished with one corruption scandal when another one begins.

Waste is another biggie. HR Boondoggle and Gun registry come to mind.

Flip floping of issues. Martin was against SSM but now he is the saviour of gays rights. Same with health care. He made the cuts which brought health care to it's knees yet he tells us that only he can save health care.

The Liberals are driving Canadians apart. Both in Quebec and in Alberta.

Then there's the lies. Getting rid of the GST.

Then there's hipocrasy. Avoid paying CDN income taxes by registering his ships off shore. Taking a stand against private health care yet uses a private clinic.

Then theres arrogance. Claiming that Liberals are Canada's party as if the other parties are foriegn.

Then there's dirty politics. Paying of Bimbo Stronach and such.

There much much more but I'm sure you get the point.

As far as the Conservatives, I believe that they would be a breath of fresh air. SSM aside, they have promised some fresh new ideas that I'm very impressed with.

Why do you really want the NDP to lose seats?

Because they deserve to lose seats. They posess very few "real" supporters. They have become the Liberal partys farm system. Once you are good enough, you can graduate from an NDP supporter to Liberal. A poll came out today showing 35% of NDP supporters would vote Liberal if they thought that it would keep the Conservatives out of power. The Bloc is only running in one province yet will win three maybe four times more seats than the NDP.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Haven't made up my mind.........so how can I change it?? :wink:

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Re: RE: Three weeks left: Will you change your mind

my leanings will sway up until election day since i am acting to prevent tyrany from coming to ottawa.

welcome to 2006, in 3 weeks we will see if canadians decide to anoint 2006 "the year of the jackass". i certianly hope not.

Year of the JACKASS?? as in Harper???? :wink:

 

[Colpy]

Re: RE: Three weeks left: Will you change your mind

my leanings will sway up until election day since i am acting to prevent tyrany from coming to ottawa.

welcome to 2006, in 3 weeks we will see if canadians decide to anoint 2006 "the year of the jackass". i certianly hope not.

Year of the JACKASS?? as in Harper???? :wink:

CK, you are WAY too late to prevent tyranny from coming to Ottawa; the Liberals have been there since 1993.

Harper is far from perfect: he is also by far the best offered.

 

[Colpy]

Belinda Stronach is a nasty opportunist, a sleazy politician, a election cheater, and a spoiled brat with absolutely no understanding of the importance of Parliamentary tradition and procedure.

She certainly belongs in the Liberal Party of Canada.

With all due respect, Colpy, you didn't address any points of my post, so why bother quoting it? Mudslinging does not contribute to a debate.

I have submitted valid facts, and valid things that the Hon. Belinda Stronach has done so far in her mandate as the Minister of Human Resources; as for Parliamentary tradition, the right to cross the floor is part of that; granted, it's controversial, and that's why it's done so rarely.

I do have a problem with Stronach crossing the floor, I think it was nasty and opportunistic, and she did for a cabinet post. Had it been on principle, she would either of sat as an independent, or even sat in the back benches of the Liberal government. Instead, she was bought and paid for.

BUT, that said, my dislike of Ms. Stronach predates her self-abasement. I decided I really disliked her when she had Earnie Eaves present his Ontario budget in a TV studio. This was a trampling of the British Parliamentary tradition. It showed no respect for our democracy, and basically bypassed the Ontario legislature. I have often said, were I in Ontario, that in itself might have made me vote for McGuinty.

Boy, would I ever be sorry now.

When Stronach ran for leader of the CPC, my plan was to drop my membership and cease voting altogether if she won. The last thing we need is another damned billionaire running the place.

 

[the caracal kid]

colpy,

"Harper is far from perfect": well, at least your not an idealist. :tu:

"The last thing we need is another damned billionaire running the place.": that sounds bigoted to me. No offence, but what do you have against billionaires?

 

[FiveParadox]

Principled Enough

Well, she did say that it was her principles that led her to cross the floor from the Opposition to the Government side of the House of Commons. Personally, I believe her; she always seemed considerably more moderate than her other Conservative counterparts — and, as I've said before, she has done quite a bit of good work as a Minister of the Crown; that much, I don't think can be honestly refuted, regardless of one's opinion of her having crossed the floor of the Commons.

 

[Suzique39]

Re: RE: Three weeks left: Will you change your mind

albertablue, do you trust the biased opinion of the used-car salesperson trying to sell you that car without doing your own research?

lets list some of the comments harpie has made over the years that show he is an opportunist (amung other things):

"You've got to remember that west of Winnipeg the ridings the Liberals hold are dominated by people who are either recent Asian immigrants or recent migrants from eastern Canada: people who live in ghettoes and who are not integrated into western Canadian society." (Stephen Harper, Report Newsmagazine, January 22, 2001)

“I do not intend to dispute in any way the need for defence cuts and the need for government spending cuts in general. …I do not share a not in my backyard approach to government spending reductions.” (Hansard, May 23, 1995)

“We must aim to make [Canada] a lower tax jurisdiction than the United States.” (Vancouver Province, April 6, 2004)

“It is imperative to take the initiative, to build firewalls around Alberta, to limit the extent to which an aggressive and hostile federal government can encroach upon legitimate provincial jurisdiction.” (National Post, January 24, 2001, “Open Letter to Ralph Klein”)

In 1997, Harper bragged that he was opposed to government programs to eliminate child poverty:
“These proposals included cries for billions of new money for social assistance in the name of “child poverty” and for more business subsidies in the name of “cultural identity”. In both cases I was sought out as a rare public figure to oppose such projects.” (The Bulldog, National Citizens Coalition, February 1997)

from:http://www.canadiandemocraticmovement.ca/displayarticle378.html

"The NDP could be described as basically a party of liberal Democrats, but it's actually worse than that, I have to say. And forgive me jesting again, but the NDP is kind of proof that the Devil lives and interferes in the affairs of men."

- Conservative leader Stephen Harper, then vice-president of the National Citizens Coalition, in a June 1997 Montreal meeting of the Council for National Policy, a right-wing American think tank.

"In terms of the unemployed, of which we have over a million-and-a-half, don't feel particularly bad for many of these people. They don't feel bad about it themselves, as long as they're receiving generous social assistance and unemployment insurance."

- Conservative leader Stephen Harper, then vice-president of the National Citizens Coalition, in a June 1997 Montreal meeting of the Council for National Policy, a right-wing American think tank.

"[Y]our country [the USA], and particularly your conservative movement, is a light and an inspiration to people in this country and across the world."

- Conservative leader Stephen Harper, then vice-president of the National Citizens Coalition, in a June 1997 Montreal meeting of the Council for National Policy, a right-wing American think tank.

"Now 'pay equity' has everything to do with pay and nothing to do with equity. It’s based on the vague notion of 'equal pay for work of equal value,' which is not the same as equal pay for the same job."

- Stephen Harper, NCC Overview, Fall 1998.

"I don't know all the facts on Iraq, but I think we should work closely with the Americans."

- Stephen Harper, Report Newsmagazine, March 25th 2002. As it turned out, Harper wasn't the only one who didn't know all the facts.

from:http://www.intheirownwords.ca/harper.html

Damn , he's almost as stupid as Bush , And that is scary !

 

[FiveParadox]

Harper is Unnerving — Agreed

There's something about the Conservative Leader of the Opposition that I just find creepy. It's not 'cause of the Liberals' "hidden agenda" campaign, I don't think, but there's something about him. Maybe it was the way he smiled during the French leadership debate; his smile kind of said "Yes, my pretties ... vote me in ... yes ..."

:?: Slightly off-topic...
Does anybody know which Members of Parliament are invited to become part of the Queen's Privy Council? I know that the Prime Minister, and all Ministers of the Crown do; what about non-ministerial Members of the Government? And what about the Leader of the Opposition? This is off-topic, I know, but I'm curious, and I can't find a solid source on this on the Internet.

:!: Edit Edited to add Slightly off-topic content.

 

[Semperfi_dani]

RE: Three weeks left: Wil

Back to the question at hand..yes, i probably will change my vote. But i have stated from the beginning when I joined this site that i vote for the candidate more than the party. I have various views on issues and not any one party best represents that view, but with all parties, there are elements that I agree with. I have in the past voted Liberal, Reform, than Liberal again. This time, i am strongly leaning towards Conservative based on the issues I have been presented with and the candidate in my riding.

I am rational enough to know that not one party will do all that they claim they will do..nor am i irrational enough to assume that anyone is evil. To call Harper evil...well its a damn good thing we don't live in a totalatarian system....like many of our other earth dwellers live under.

Evil is reletive I suppose. On the other hand, if the Liberals (or the NDP) for that matter were to make a compelling case..i could vote there. I won't know for sure until literally the last day and i weight out what was presented to me.

What has surprised me is that i thought i would vote Liberal had you asked me four weeks ago..but the L party has grossly underperformed...have not led on presenting issues, have not clearly outlined their issues...and are just not performing. It is clearly their election to lose, so if they don't bring up their game..they just might do so.

 

[Finder]

Voting NDP and I will not change my vote

 

[Andygal]

No I will not change my mind. My mind has been firmly made up for 6 months already.

NDP all the way!