thoughts on 2012 and the Mayn Calendar

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My thoughts on 2012...

The Mayan calendar does end in december 2012... But so what? In the context of such a calendar, time is cyclical, not linear... So the mayan cycles will just start again, that's all.

I'm not sure the mayans actually believed the world would end on December 21st 2012... All 2012 represents is the end of an era and beginning of a new one.

So as soon as I hear about 2012 being 'the end of the world', credibility is lost, in my view. I'm open to much speculation about what could happen but I don't take seriously anyone who pretends to know what exactly will happen.

The real issue is in how you believe cosmic cycles are related to our earthly lives. It's all about astrology really... The whole 2012 thing is just cosmic astrology on a much, much larger scale than what most are used to dealing with in cheap newspaper horoscopes.

So the question is, do you believe in astrology or not? If you don't, 2012 is a year like any other. If you do, than 2012 is a year to watch, but I suggest doomsday scenarios can only lead to unhealthy paranoia. Whether any of all this stuff is true or not, it's healthier to focus on making our lives better than to constantly expect some form of large scale disaster. That's not to say one can't be prepared for unexpected events.

While I don't believe or disbelieve in astrology, I consider myself very open-minded to it. So I have interest in the 2012 thing. But it doesn't go any further than interest; it would seem a bit foolish to me to change your life around paranoid ideas about 2012 being the end of it all.

Those are pretty much my thoughts too, mate.
Paranoia has added "the endoftheworld" thingy to the Mayan 2012 calendar, altho', with all the crap going on around us at the moment, which looks like escalating, eg:- the wars the good ol' us of g have dragged us into, the imminent collapse of the good ol' us of g economy, the rising price of oil, which appears to have the good ol' us of g fingerprints all over it.......one can't help wonder if we'll even make it to 2012 :roll:
 

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this is true, but bush will b gone in less than a year, which is the guy who caused many of those problems. mayb the new president of the u.s. could fix a thing or two.
i also heard from my husband (who is a marine) that the war on terror will end in a couple years. so who knows. but i do kno that oil will stay up cuz of the shortage, but thats what science and alternative fuel is for :)
 

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lol Gotta love those "end of the world" tales. Like that thread about the "rapture" coming last Wednesday, they are comical.
There is no shortage of oil other than the "shortages" caused by oil companies when they cut production. It's a simple supply and demand thing. Cut supply and up the price.
 

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So because Myans said 2012...then that is it? The Myans have the final say because they inscribed it in stone?
 

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lol Gotta love those "end of the world" tales. Like that thread about the "rapture" coming last Wednesday, they are comical.
There is no shortage of oil other than the "shortages" caused by oil companies when they cut production. It's a simple supply and demand thing. Cut supply and up the price.


Will Canada Last? Not if we surrender our energy lifeblood to the US
What will it take persuade Canadians that if they do not act soon to reverse the course of their nation, there will be nothing left to save? I am talking, of course, about so-called "deep integration" and its official expression, the Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP).
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=9479
 

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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]6. I've heard of the Mayan prophecy of 2013. What's supposed to happen? [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Good question! According to Mayan calendrics, December 21, 2012 is a critical juncture, indicating the culminating point of the 26,000 year cycle of Homo Sapien evolution. [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]On the winter solstice of 2012, the noonday Sun will exactly conjunct the crossing point of the sun's ecliptic with the galactic equator, while also closely conjuncting the exact the center of the galaxy.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Mayan Messenger Carlos Barrios shares the Quiche Maya's knowledge of the ending of this cycle by saying, "The world will not end. It will be transformed... Everything will change...Change is accelerating now, and it will continue to accelerate...If the people of the earth can get to this 2012 date in good shape, without having destroyed too much of the Earth, we will rise to a new, higher level. But to get there we must transform enormously powerful forces that seek to block the way...Humanity will continue, but in a different way. Material structures will change. From this we will have the opportunity to be more human...[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"Our planet can be renewed or ravaged. Now is the time to awaken and take action...The prophesized changes are going to happen, but our attitude and actions determine how harsh or mild they are. This is a crucially important moment for humanity and for earth. Each person is important. If you have incarnated into this era, you have spiritual work to do balancing the planet...The greatest wisdom is in simplicity. Love, respect, tolerance, sharing, gratitude, forgiveness. It's not complex or elaborate. The real knowledge is free. It's encoded in your DNA. All you need is within you. Great teachers have said that from the beginning. Find you heart, and you will find your way." [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]As author Moira Timms writes, "It is the Unification and Completion of all natural, cultural, religious, and prophetic time cycles."[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Let us reflect on the prophecy of Pacal Votan which declares, "If humanity wishes to save itself from biospheric destruction, it must return to living in natural time." Evolution is being placed before us but it is left to us as we are actually living out the unfolding of this prophecy, right here and now, and for the next 9 years. To "wake up now" is to begin to change everyday consciousness, through simple, pragmatic ways, such as adapting the 13 Moon Calendar. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Perhaps the keener we listen, the more insight we will have of the face of this Shifting World Age. As we awaken to our own, true consciousness, so we come to reflect on the supreme interconnectedness of the future reaching radially into the Now. Let us coordinate together, on inner and outer planes of existence, for the dawning of galactic synchronization! [/FONT]


[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]7. Is this the Mayan Calendar?[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Simply put NO. Considering that the ancient Maya had more than 17 calendars, and that present day Maya in Guatemala follow a distinct version of this Tzolkin count which is generally called "The Mayan Calendar", it would be inaccurate to say this system is The Mayan calendar. It is true that this calendar is commonly referred to as a "modern Mayan calendar," yet while this 13-Moon Natural Time Calendar does integrate the ancient patterns and codes found in the Mayan Time Science, these mathematics are universal reflections of cosmic order, themselves not Mayan. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Also, this 13-Moon Dreamspell system integrates new knowledge that is not based on the historical Mayan Calendar, and therefore it verges on cultural misrepresentation to confuse this as the Traditional Mayan Calendar. So, technically speaking: no, this is not the Mayan Calendar, but rather, this is synchronized with Mayan calendars, and, as Dr. Jose Arguelles explains about this calendar system,"This prophetic stream is emphatically a galactic revelation of the same base of knowledge that produced the Mayan civilization of ancient Mesoamerica. The new revelatory stream is known as the 'Wizard's Count' or 'reformulated Chilam Balam.'" This 13-Moon Calendar is based on Nature's time science of 13:20 which the ancient Maya were aware of and recorded. Because these energy patterns are universally occurring, they are present as systems of cyclic time keeping and fourth dimensional divinatory oracles. For more clarification go here[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The revered Classic Maya (435-830 AD) recorded the most extensive and precise calendrical science ever to grace Earth. They tracked the concurrent cycles of all heavenly bodies and calculated dates reaching in to the distant past and the approaching future with astonishing accuracy. Their cosmic time science was so perfect in reflecting universal Laws of Nature, that its patterns correspond to countless other harmonic systems, ranging from Incan and Druidic 13-moon calendars, to the Chinese I-Ching, to the spiral form of the galaxy, to our body's physical architecture of 20 fingers and toes and 13 joints, to our DNA codes![/FONT]
 

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From the Kolbrin Bible:

MAN:3:1 Men forget the days of the Destroyer. Only the wise know where it went and that it will return in its appointed hour.

MAN:3:4-6 When blood drops upon the Earth, the Destroyer will appear, and mountains will open up and belch forth fire and ashes. Trees will be destroyed and all living things engulfed. Waters will be swallowed up by the land, and seas will boil…The people will scatter in madness. They will…seek refuge within dens in the Earth. Terror will eat away their hearts…They will be eaten up in the flames of wrath and consumed by the breath of the Destroyer.

MAN:3:7 Thus it was in the Days of Heavenly Wrath, which have gone, and thus it will be in the Days of Doom when it comes again. The times of its coming and going are known unto the wise. These are the signs and times which shall precede the Destroyer’s return: A hundred and ten generations shall pass unto the West, and nations will rise and fall. Men will flying the air as birds and swim in the seas as fishes. Men will talk peace one with another’ hypocrisy and deceit shall have their day. Women will be as men and men as women; passion will be a plaything of men.


GLN:4:24-26 …There, riding on a great black rolling cloud, came the Destroyer, newly released from the confines of the sky vaults, and she raged about the Heavens, for it was her day of judgment. The beast with her opened its mouth and belched forth fire, hot stones and a vile smoke. It covered the whole sky above and the meeting place of Earth and Heaven could no longer be seen. In the evening, the places of the stars were changed, they rolled across the sky to new stations; then, the floodwaters came…The pillars of Heaven were broken and fell down to Earth. The skyvault was rent and broken; the whole of creation was in chaos. The stars in the Heavens were loosened from their places, so they dashed about in confusion. There was a revolt on high; a new ruler appeared there and swept across the sky in majesty.


CRT:4:5-9 Then came the day when all things became still and apprehensive, for God caused a sign to appear in the Heavens, so that men should know the Earth would be afflicted, and the sign was a strange star…The star grew and waxed to a great brightness and was awesome to behold…He was clothed with smoke and fire. He carried lightnings in His hand, and His breath, falling upon the Earth, brought forth brimstone and embers…the sun and moon hid themselves in fear and there was a heavy darkness over the face of the Earth…Great fires and smoke rose up from the ground and men gasped for air. The land was rent asunder and swept clean by a mighty deluge of waters. A hole opened up in the middle of the land; the waters entered, and it sank beneath the seas.
 

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On the same note I must admit feeling suspicious when many who claim to be so well-connected to certain alternative topics such as extraterrestrials, clairvoyance, channeling, and the “new consciousness” are unwilling to bring up the subject of Planet X, a polar shift or global catastrophe, or simply claim the 2012 enigma is only and ever a positive transformation. I’m not saying let’s all run around like Chicken Little; such a catastrophe could be exactly what ushers in a new consciousness for those who are prepared. In other words; the very thing that destroys, also creates, ala Shiva. The sister sun flies by more or less around the same time the 12/21/12 galactic alignment beams psychedelic energies from the “Tree of Life” at the center of the galaxy. Simultaneous? Or will the consciousness trip “save” us before, or even after if we survive, like some kind of ‘rapture’? Not sure. Perhaps be prepared for both?
 

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Will Canada Last? Not if we surrender our energy lifeblood to the US
What will it take persuade Canadians that if they do not act soon to reverse the course of their nation, there will be nothing left to save? I am talking, of course, about so-called "deep integration" and its official expression, the Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP).
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=9479
Thanks, Quandary! That is a very good link, and coming from you, a Brit, quite extraordinary!!
I have heard about us getting the short end of the stick, but then wondered why the new candidates down south wanted to get out of or rewrite NAFTA? If it is so good for them, the Americans, why change it? Anyway, I think this is off-topic here.
 

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Thanks, Quandary! That is a very good link, and coming from you, a Brit, quite extraordinary!!
I have heard about us getting the short end of the stick, but then wondered why the new candidates down south wanted to get out of or rewrite NAFTA? If it is so good for them, the Americans, why change it? Anyway, I think this is off-topic here.

it was just a reply to L Gilbert remarks dear friend ;-)
 

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VI. I've heard that there are a lot of Biblical parallels in Sumerian literature. What are they?

Traces of Sumerian religion survive today and are reflected in writings of the Bible. As late as Ezekiel, there is mention of a Sumerian deity. In Ezekiel 8:14, the prophet sees women of Israel weeping for Tammuz (Dumuzi) during a drought.
The bulk of Sumerian parallels can, however be found much earlier, in the book of Genesis. As in Genesis, the Sumerians' world is formed out of the watery abyss and the heavens and earth are divinely separated from one another by a solid dome. The second chapter of Genesis introduces the paradise Eden, a place which is similar to the Sumerian Dilmun, described in the myth of "Enki and Ninhursag". Dilmun is a pure, bright, and holy land - now often identified with Bahrain in the Persian Gulf. It is blessed by Enki to have overflowing, sweet water. Enki fills it with lagoons and palm trees. He impregnates Ninhursag and causes eight new plants to grow from the earth. Eden, "in the East" (Gen. 2:8) has a river which also "rises" or overflows, to form four rivers including the Tigris and Euphrates. It too is lush and has fruit bearing trees. (Gen. 2:9-10) In the second version of the creation of man "The Lord God formed man out of the clay of the ground and blew into his nostrils the breath of life, and so man became a living being." Enki and Ninmah (Ninhursag) use a similar method in creating man. Nammu, queen of the abyss and Enki's mother, bids Enki to "Kneed the 'heart' of the clay that is over the Abzu " and "give it form" (Kramer & Maier p. 33) From there the similarities cease as the two create several malformed humans and then the two deities get into an argument
 

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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]As Dr. Jose Arguelles writes in "Time and The Technosphere" -
"August 13, 3113 BC is as precise and accurate as one can get for a beginning of history: the first Egyptian dynasty is dated to ca 3100 BC; the first 'city,' Uruk, in Mesopotamia, also ca 3100 BC; the Hindu Kali Yuga, 3102 BC; and most interestingly, the division of time into 24 hours of 60 minutes each and each minute into 60 seconds [and the division of the circle into 360 degrees], also around 3100 BC, in Sumeria. If the beginning of history was so accurately placed, then must not the end of history, December 21, 2012 also be as accurate?" [/FONT]
 

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Um, I believe the earliest recirded history is a bit farther back in time than 3100. More like the 5th century BCE.
When the end of history comes, I bet it will be recorded down to a very minute fraction of a second somewhere. So, that's a pretty silly question.
BTW, I really doubt the end of history will be in Dec. 2012. Just in case, though, I am going to call my relatives on planet Mxyzptlk and see if they have a spare bedroom I can borrow till I get my own place.
 

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Um, I believe the earliest recirded history is a bit farther back in time than 3100. More like the 5th century BCE.
When the end of history comes, I bet it will be recorded down to a very minute fraction of a second somewhere. So, that's a pretty silly question.
BTW, I really doubt the end of history will be in Dec. 2012. Just in case, though, I am going to call my relatives on planet Mxyzptlk and see if they have a spare bedroom I can borrow till I get my own place.
are you going from thread to thread deliberately trying to discredit everything Ive posted it seems that way to me
 

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PACAL VOTAN: THE SACRED LINK TO THE INDIGO ERA
By Hunbatz Men
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Like the Sun, Pacal Votan came to this world to illuminate his Mayan people. He came from the dimension where the enlightened teachers are awaiting for the right moment to get reincarnated. It is there where the Universal Creator chooses the teacher who will come to fulfill the mission of guiding his people toward the cosmic light of wisdom so that once again the sacred human race can use that wisdom to complete its destiny of enlightenment.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The ancient Mayans worshipped the teacher Pacal Votan for his great wisdom because he was an enlightened one and he knew everything. According to Alberto Ruz Lhuillier's book, some inscriptions in the Temple of the Inscriptions in Palenque say that Pacal Votan was an initiate who had the ability to do healing miracles. He could cure many illnesses just by raising his hands or through a look. Then we can say that he was able to perfectly handle the energy, which he could control and regulate with his body and mind.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Pacal Votan taught his people the mystery of the 9 BOLON TI K'U and the 13 OX LAHUN TI K'U. He taught his Mayan people that the 9 BOLON TI K'U are the Lords of the Night and their wisdom and power depend on the absence of light. Also he taught them that the 13 OX LAHUN TI K'U are the Lords of the 13 dimensions; he used to say that every initiate should be aware of knowing these 13 dimensions because the explanations to all the existing mysteries in the world, either physically or non-physically, could be found there.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The ancient Mayan priests of the old times claimed that the spirit of Pacal Votan came from the stars and that was why he brought the wisdom of the stars with him and knew the 13 OX LAHUN TI K'U. They also said that after arriving in our Mother Earth, he decided to work with the human beings forever teaching them all the current well-known sciences plus other unknown sciences that are even unknown to us these days. According to the Mayan priests, Pacal Votan knew the tunnels of time.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]When Pacal Votan arrived into this world, he was already enlightened with the wisdom and brought the history of time with him. When he spoke of the ancient times, he showed a figure of the Eocene Era, the time in which the animals we know and still inhabit the planet appeared on the Earth. Then he used to tell his Mayan people that the human race already existed, but they lived in other very distant places called Continents, now these Continents are sunk under the seawaters. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Pacal Votan had many disciples and many of them traveled to other Mayan temples such as Quirigua and Copan to share this wisdom; that is why many inscriptions found in these places are similar to those found in Palenque. These days, it is advisable for all the initiates who do initiatic works to go to those places to absorb the teaching found in those Mayan temples of light.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]In the Mayan lands, Pacal Votan used to teach the secrets of the K'ULTHANLILNI, better known today as KUNDALINI; in this way the priestly class knew and practiced the 7 powers in such the same way they were known in India. Pacal Votan also taught his Mayan people the handling of the 7 powers held in the human body and using the Mayan word "Chacla" he used to point out the parts of the initiates' bodies where that great power, coming from the cosmic power, would flow out.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The teacher Pacal Votan used a small flint made figure to teach how the KUNDALINI could be awaken. This small figure was rubbed several times on the back of the initiate, on his spine to be more exact, and then the teacher Pacal Votan did his magic movements. This way the way the ritual of knowledge was begun. Besides, several Mayan "mantras" were taught in order to activate this KUNDALINI force that all the human beings have in their interior. This was the way the Great Power got manifested in their bodies. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]It is important to mention here that when the body of Pacal Votan was found in the Temple of the Inscriptions in Palenque, Chiapas, Mexico, he was holding a cubic geometric shape made of flint in his right hand, and another geometric shape, but in spherical form, also made of flint, in his left hand. For the initiates, both geometric shapes mean High Initiation, because even after finishing his physical life, the teacher Pacal Votan continued traveling in other dimensions bearing this wisdom.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Hunab K'u is the main God for the Mayans and is represented with a circle and a square. When they are taught in their lineal form, the circle has a value of 13 and the square of 20; when both geometric shapes are taught in their plain form, their value changes. In the case of the teacher Pacal Votan, in whose hands these geometric shapes were found, but in their 3-dimensional form, this means that he was very aware of how to work with the third dimension mathematically. Certainly, this knowledge belongs only to the High Initiation.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The geometric formations that have been showing up recently in England are very impressive, especially the one that appeared on July 16, 1999 in Windmill Hill, Avebury Trusloe, Wiltshire County, reproduced here graphically for a better understanding of this topic. As it can be seen, it is a great circle with a square in the middle, the square has many small circles distributed symmetrically inside. The following information was published in the magazine “Crop Circles”, where Judith Moore and Bárbara Lamb wrote the following article:[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]This crop circle (geometric shapes that appear in the corn fields of England) is the DNA that will evolve our mathematical capacity. Each one of these circles is an infinite fractal crystalline code, and each crystalline aspect is a fractal universe. This evolved mathematical system is the next step for mathematics on Earth. When this particular glyph comes into the collective consciousness, present mathematics will seem obsolete or primitive, like the difference between a stone ax and laser beam. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]When the teacher Pacal Votan ascended to the other dimensions, he was holding the sphere and the cube in his hands, or better said, the circle and the square. It would be important to understand in which dimension Pacal Votan is, since he understood the 13 dimensions, then he could be observing us from any of them. Now, after the appearance of this geometric shape there in England in the middle of the XXI century, we wonder: Is the teacher Pacal Votan trying to find a way of communicating with us?[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Next MARCHch 21, 2004, we will spend three 3 days with their respective nights in the Mayan temples of Palenque trying to understand this mystery. Our work will include Mayan mantric words, the sacred geometry, a visit to the place in which Pacal Votan was buried, the knowledge of the dimensions, a visit to the museum of Palenque in which we will be able to read many existing inscriptions, and of course, we will do meditations in order to try to see and feel the dimension in which the initiate teacher Pacal Votan is. We will also request from him, as a god he is, to cure and heal this aching humanity.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]This Mayan Temple of the inscriptions is also called “of the gestation" because in the upper part of its 5 entrances there are some carved columns that have figures with the shape of a Mayan priestess carrying a baby. Each boy shows a natural foot, while the other foot seems to be the body of a serpent. The women are holding the boy with a hand and with the other one they are holding the head of the serpent-foot. In this way, this temple pyramid of Pacal Votan gives us another teaching, now related to the formation of children. (Picture 4)[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]What the North American researcher Nancy Ann Tappe said about the children that are being born currently is very important. She calls the children of the New Millennium the “Indigo Children", “Blue Children", or “Children of Light". She called them like this because of the characteristic indigo blue color of their electromagnetic field; this phenomenon can be captured by using a Kirlian camera. Since 1995, the number of births of children with these qualities has been increasing. This researcher also says that the Mayans had already predicted this in one of their prophecies.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Generally, the Indigo Children are more intelligent than the normal children, they learn faster, they don't feel afraid or discouraged by adults, they know what they want and fight to get it. Some people name the Indigo Children, The Technologists of the human race because they have the capacity to manage their two cerebral hemispheres simultaneously. Nancy Ann also sorted these children in four categories, the “Humanist Children", the “Conceptual Children", the “Artist Children", and the “Inter-dimensional Children"; they are the humanity's hope since they bring with them new philosophies that will be good to harmonize the humanity. I want to give thanks to the sister Carolina Hehenkamp for her first book she gave me entitled “Das Indigo Phänomen” that is about these New Children. ("Das Indigo Phänomen" is translated in 8 languages).[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Now retaking our topic, it is important to understand why these Mayan priestesses found in the Temple of the Inscriptions have these babies in their hands and why the bodies of these children are blended with those of the serpents. Well, to your knowledge, the serpent represents the knowledge, the wisdom and the energy. For example, a boy engendered consciously will bring the healthiest qualities of life when he is born. But I must also tell you something that is a little more complex; this is, the space occupied by our solar system in the Universe has been receiving more cosmic light since 1995. This is due to the fact that ever since that date our solar system has entered a cosmic band in which we are receiving more cosmic light.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]For the Mayans, the serpent represents wisdom in any sense; let us explain what these serpent-children in the carved columns of Palenque mean. They mean that it would be the children the ones who would bring the great wisdom, therefore what we are living now with the Indigo Children had already been prophesied by the Mayans. Besides, the Mayans sculpted these symbols in the Pyramid of Pacal Votan and they also wrote about it in their more than 2,500 glyphs found near these stucco figures. The ancient Mayans knew that some day we would be living these times of incomprehension and ignorance we are living now in these modern times. That is the reason why they printed that teaching in the Mayan temple of Palenque, so that it was learned by the new initiates that would come back already reincarnated some day.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]It has been prophesied that some day the initiates and teachers from all over the world will come back again to the Mayan temple of the Inscriptions and the Gestation to learn with the teacher Pacal Votan. This pyramid was designed so that the humanity could come to acquire its knowledge forever because in its upper part there are 12 holes where the initiates are supposed to put their hands so that they begin to receive the information that the teacher Pacal Votans will transmit to them from the dimension in which he is observing us.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Among the Mayans, both the priests and the prophets, as well as the mathematicians and astronomers, had their set up days to climb the pyramid and consult with Pacal Votan, the Messenger of Time. In this way, any person or teacher who had a responsibility before the Mayan society, could receive spiritual orientation from Pacal Votan so that they could serve and lead their people to a good destiny. However, not only the local teachers could receive orientation from Pacal Votan, but also initiates and teachers from other places around the world; this is confirmed with the discovery of certain offerings found in this pyramid that have nothing to do with the Mayans and do not have, in fact, a Mayan origin.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Unquestionably, Pacal Votan came to this world to fulfill a mission as an Avatar, because everything indicates that he was actually a teacher of teachers, a master teacher, and he did come to fulfill a mission here in this planet called Earth. This can be proven with the following fact, inside the coffin where Pacal Votan's body was found, they also found the Mayan glyph CABAN repeated 20 times; both this glyph and the number 20 are representative of our planet Earth as well as there other different glyphs for the other planets. Therefore, I name Pacal Votan as “The Cosmic Messenger who came to this planet Earth to fulfill the sacred mission Hunab K'u commended him". [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Along Pacal Votan's coffin cover there are many other Mayan glyphs that represent the other planets. For the Mayans, the dead become stars and when the new children are born these stars come down and become these children's souls. The Mayans also believe that the souls can come from another planet of our solar system, but currently we also have the explanation of the Mayan tradition that says that the souls of the children may come from very distant celestial bodies and the souls of the most evolved children may come from even the most distant celestial bodies or stars.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]We are not exaggerating when we affirm that there is no another pre-Hispanic grave in all the American Continent that can be compared in magnificence to the Temple of the Inscriptions and the Gestation of Palenque. Also there is no a coffin in any other American place as big and sumptuous as the one that holds the body of Pacal Votan in the mortuary chamber of the Temple of the Inscriptions. It is unquestionably the most extraordinary structure ever built by an American people before the white men.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Furthermore, I want to let you know about the existence of a PSYCHO-DUCT that was found in this pyramid, this is a magic conduit that comes out from the coffin with the shape of a snake, it is made of lime and white stones. This conduit is a hollow mold that goes along the stairway and ends vertically under the perforated tombstone that marks the end of the stairway's entrance, on the floor of the temple. This PSYCHO-DUCT was used for a permanent communication with the priest Pacal Votan so that his messages could always be heard by his Mayan people, through the priests. Or vice versa, it was also used by these priests to communicate with this deified being of the Mayan people, Pacal Votan, to ask for his advice.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]When the Mayan priests communicated with Pacal Votan, they first had to reach a very deep meditative state, and once they were in meditation, the true communication took place. But the first thing that the priests heard was a sound indicating the presence of Pacal Votan. Here it is important to point out that when the tomb of Pacal Votan was opened, they found 9 metal-sheet shaped white stones that produced a metallic sound when colliding one against the others. Is it possible that Pacal Votan has decided to use those stones for an eternal communication with his people?[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Here we will make a pause to go a little further into the explanation of the number 9. As we said before, the BOLON TI K'U are the 9 forces that have been called to belong to the dark world. These 9 forces work where there is no light; so it is important to point out that in the room where Pacal Votan's coffin is there are 9 carved pictures of 9 priests, each priest shows off a belt and in that belt there are also 9 symbols similar to the 9 metal-sheet shaped white stones found in Pacal Votan's tomb.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]BOLON TI K'U was the Mayan word to name these 9 Lords of the Night or the 9 forces of darkness where Pacal Votan gives his messages. But we must not forget the OX LAHUN TI K'U that are the 13 dimensions of light also used by Pacal Votan to communicate with his Mayan people, to send them messages and to receive messages from them. I hope the initiates who will attend our next Initiatic work, which will be held in March, 2004, receive messages that can be used to improve our lives and to help the whole humankind.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]To conclude, I hope all the initiates in the world do some research and find out a little more about the teacher Pacal Votan and include him in their meditations and prayers. Pacal Votan is awaiting for this communication to start emitting his messages as a teacher and sacred person who came to the earth as an Avatar of all the times. Please analyze this sacred writing where we mention for the first time who Pacal Votan really was. This saint and mystic Mayan character who came to our world to teach the humankind the true cosmic education of the Maya Itza New Age.[/FONT]




Have you heard of this fellow PACAL VOTAN, he apparently when first introduced to the mayns, destroyed all of what he could find of there history, then after some time he regretted what he had done, and tried to reassemble what fragments of there cultures history,that he could find was left, he was seen as a god to these mayn peoples.