This summer may see first ice-free North Pole

gerryh

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So whens the -80 going to stop in the arctic?

Soon?
I dont really want to go back untill it warms up.


This is January in the arctic.

This is July.


This is november.


This is october.



and what does this have to do with your false claim that Arctic pack ice is not salty?
 

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And drink it and I have yet to find any saltwater in the Arctic I was at and I was way up there.

If there is no salt water, then Arctic char wouldn't need physiological adaptations to survive their summer migrations out into the salt water. It's called osmoregulation. The Arctic char like other anadromous salmonids drink sea water and excrete the chloide ions via active transportation across the epithelium of their gills. The cells in the gill epithelium are rich in mitochondria, because this process requires energy to pump the chloride out against a concentration gradient. They would die if they couldn't do this. That or remain in the rivers and lakes year round, which we know they do not.

And as for the salinity of the Arctic sea water, it's not as salty as other areas of the worlds oceans, but it's far from fresh water. 30 ppt is pretty damn salty.
 

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If there is no salt water, then Arctic char wouldn't need physiological adaptations to survive their summer migrations out into the salt water. It's called osmoregulation. The Arctic char like other anadromous salmonids drink sea water and excrete the chloide ions via active transportation across the epithelium of their gills. The cells in the gill epithelium are rich in mitochondria, because this process requires energy to pump the chloride out against a concentration gradient. They would die if they couldn't do this. That or remain in the rivers and lakes year round, which we know they do not.

And as for the salinity of the Arctic sea water, it's not as salty as other areas of the worlds oceans, but it's far from fresh water. 30 ppt is pretty damn salty.

Mother nature will take care of it.She allways does!

You young pups,sheeeeesh.
Get out of the bloody basement for a change,travel! See Canada in real life and not on the internet.Those graphs mean absolutely nothing after 6 hours of flying over the arctic in real life.
 

gerryh

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Mother nature will take care of it.She allways does!

You young pups,sheeeeesh.
Get out of the bloody basement for a change,travel! See Canada in real life and not on the internet.



So, you've been on pack ice, and you have chipped out, melted and drank said pack ice.... noty the snow sitting on top of it, but the actual ice.
 

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Get out of the bloody basement for a change,travel! See Canada in real life and not on the internet.Those graphs mean absolutely nothing after 6 hours of flying over the arctic in real life.

And why would it make a difference if you are flying over salt water or fresh water? By the way, it's not a graph. Graphs have axes. It's called a map, I'm surprised you couldn't recognize the shapes on it...
 

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And why would it make a difference if you are flying over salt water or fresh water? By the way, it's not a graph. Graphs have axes. It's called a map, I'm surprised you couldn't recognize the shapes on it...

So what? It doesnt prove anything?
A graph is proof of nothing.You cant predict what will happen tomorrow.
So I guess the 24 hours of darkness in the arctic have nothing to do with Arctic freezing and melting,you continually evade this lil factoid.
You have not even factored this in to all your fancy graphs.
 
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gerryh

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still sticking to your story that you have drank water melted from arctic ocean ice?

still sticking to your story that you have drank water melted from arctic ocean ice?



Why the thumbs down? Just asking a question.
 

Kakato

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still sticking to your story that you have drank water melted from arctic ocean ice?

I dont believe I ever said that,I can drink dead water off the tundra though pretty well anywhere,this is obviously far beyond your grasp to comprehend though,because you have never been there.
60 kliks from the Arctic circle,I never saw the arctic ocean.There's more to the arctic then one ocean.

If you cant understand that then I really dont care,ignorant peeps abound on the net.
 

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So I guess the 24 hours of darkness in the arctic have nothing to do with Arctic freezing and melting,

Freezing yes, melting no...the 24 hours of light in the summer has to do with the melting. I thought you've been there?
 

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Freezing yes, melting no...the 24 hours of light in the summer has to do with the melting. I thought you've been there?

3 months of summer,9 months of winter,if you were ever there you would know that.

Try getting out of moms basement and the fish factory and experiencing shyte outside of the internet.
I have done it for over 35 years,your probably not even that old! lol!

You were probably still ****ting your diapers when I was doing 12 hour shifts in the coal mines.lol!!!!!

Starting to wonder if your not sucking up for a grant or something.

When a mining company wants to start a mine,they will call me....not you,you get that part? Your graphs will mean ****.

Sorry but that's the way it works Tonn.
You have a lot to learn about politics and the energy industry.
 
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gerryh

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Ya,I dont do graphs,I prefer to see it with my own eyes.

And drink it and I have yet to find any saltwater in the Arctic I was at and I was way up there.

It's a big place dude.

Ya right,want me to dig up all your instances of copyright infringement?

And in case you did not know,most arctic ice is fresh water,not saltwater.

Maybe you should google before hitting send with info and claims on a place in Canada you have no clue about.

So if warm water freezes faster then cold water(fresh water for cdn bear who has no clue whats in the arctic)then the ice should start building sooner each year,mother nature taking care of herself.
North of Hudsons bay,im my experience doing ice profile for ice roads,we built an inch a day after december 30th in ice thickness.

Nuna engineers will confirm this.They are the experts in building Arctic ice roads.

No link because i'm talking from experience here.

I dont believe I ever said that,I can drink dead water off the tundra though pretty well anywhere,this is obviously far beyond your grasp to comprehend though,because you have never been there.
60 kliks from the Arctic circle,I never saw the arctic ocean.There's more to the arctic then one ocean.

If you cant understand that then I really dont care,ignorant peeps abound on the net.



See....yes you did. We are talking about Arctic ocean ice pack....... and here you are making the statement that you've been there, drank it, and it wasn't salty.

So, why don't you just admit that you have never been far enough north to even SEE arctic pack ice let alone been able to chip it, melt it, and drink it.
 

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See....yes you did. We are talking about Arctic ocean ice pack....... and here you are making the statement that you've been there, drank it, and it wasn't salty.

So, why don't you just admit that you have never been far enough north to even SEE arctic pack ice let alone been able to chip it, melt it, and drink it.
Ok Gerry,I actually used ice from lake Tehake for a drink of crown royal,no salt in that ice.
Maybe you should take a flight up there before commenting on it.
I never saw or tasted saltwater anywhere from the tip of Hudsons bay and north of
rankin to south of Cambridge bay at Sabina lake last year.
No saltwater up there but thats the arctic,worlds largest supply of fresh water.

I have over 70 videos on youtube of my travels up there,they arent hidden and I share them with anyone as I think folks should see what I have seen.
Attack the message bud,not the messenger,you and bear are pathetic so far tonight.
Funny though! Pathetic and ignorant and stupid.

Flying out of meadowbank,they poured their first gold bar a couple years ago.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4PpBDxDpfE
 
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gerryh

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Ok Gerry,I actually used ice from lake Tehake for a drink of crown royal,no salt in that ice.
Maybe you should take a flight up there before commenting on it.


That's a fresh water lake. The OP isn't about THAT kind of ice. Maybe have someone read the OP for you and explain it to you. Come back afterward and comment if you actually have anything pertinent to contribute to the OP. Otherwise, go troll some other topic.
 

Kakato

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That's a fresh water lake. The OP isn't about THAT kind of ice. Maybe have someone read the OP for you and explain it to you. Come back afterward and comment if you actually have anything pertinent to contribute to the OP. Otherwise, go troll some other topic.
So you think the arctic is all saltwater..Most of the arctic is close to sea level,you would know that if you have ever been there.You have not though and I can tell.

maybe ask your bud what dead water is,he cant seem to find it on google.

Numptys!

Gotta love the internet experts!
 
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Kakato

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The OP is about Arctic ice pack. Not the ice on some lake.

again, do you have anything to add that is pertinent to the OP.
I was on the edge of the arctic ocean south of Cambridge bay this spring,whats your point if you have one besides the one on your head?

Do you have anything to add? maybe you should go look at a map.
Google a bit,your failing big time in my eyes.
 

gerryh

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I was on the edge of the arctic ocean south of Cambridge bay this spring,whats your point if you have one besides the one on your head?


So you say. Nothing you have posted in this thread has anything to do with the OP though.
 

Kakato

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So you say. Nothing you have posted in this thread has anything to do with the OP though.
You just got sidetracked in your effort to dirt me,I have taken dumps that have more experience then you in this field,stick to your furnaces.that's your field.

furnace jockey....making all his coin off the oilpatch and the workers.
I guess thats why you arent dirting them so much anymore eh Ger?
They provide you with a good income.

Your such a nice guy how about posting your company name here so I can maybe get a new furnace?
 
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gerryh

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You just got sidetracked in your effort to dirt me,I have taken dumps that have more experience then you in this field,stick to your furnaces.that's your field.

furnace jockey....,


Like I said, nothing you have posted in this thread has had anything to do with the OP.

You also need to remember, you don't have wendy here to clean up your posts for you.

so, do you have anything pertinent to add? Come on randy, I'm sure a junior high grad like you has all kinds of "intelligent" things to say about Arctic pack ice loss.