This must end NOW: Canadian Support for Israel - ENOUGH!
- Thread starter AspiringStarvingArtist
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This isn't about supporting Israel's right to defend itself. This is about whether or not you support Israel's war crimes. It is a war crime to deliberately target civilians:
Israels attacks on Hezbollah were legal. But Israel's deliberate attacks on civilians were war crimes.
Israeli children writing messages to Lebanese children on Israeli bombs:
http://www.thenausea.com/elements/Israel/2006/lebanon crisis/lebanon murders.htm
Results after the IDF delivered the messages:
WARNING GRAPHIC IMAGES OF ISRAEL'S WAR CRIMES IN LEBANON
http://www.thenausea.com/elements/Israel/2006/lebanon crisis/qana.htm
http://www.thenausea.com/elements/Israel/2006/gallery1/gallery1.htm
You would have to be pretty callous or willfully ignorant to support Israel's war crimes.
What Israel did in Lebanon, it has been doing to Palestinians for 58 years.
Most of you know the Israeli side of the story. Just listen to the news. But our news doesn't give us the whole story. If you have an open mind, you would take a few minutes to listen to the Palestinian side:
http://www.palestineremembered.com/
Israels attacks on Hezbollah were legal. But Israel's deliberate attacks on civilians were war crimes.
Israeli children writing messages to Lebanese children on Israeli bombs:
http://www.thenausea.com/elements/Israel/2006/lebanon crisis/lebanon murders.htm
Results after the IDF delivered the messages:
WARNING GRAPHIC IMAGES OF ISRAEL'S WAR CRIMES IN LEBANON
http://www.thenausea.com/elements/Israel/2006/lebanon crisis/qana.htm
http://www.thenausea.com/elements/Israel/2006/gallery1/gallery1.htm
You would have to be pretty callous or willfully ignorant to support Israel's war crimes.
What Israel did in Lebanon, it has been doing to Palestinians for 58 years.
Most of you know the Israeli side of the story. Just listen to the news. But our news doesn't give us the whole story. If you have an open mind, you would take a few minutes to listen to the Palestinian side:
http://www.palestineremembered.com/
Re: RE: This must end NOW: Canadian Support for Israel - ENO
Lets play "Hezboallah or Civilian" :
Are these a bunch of civilians operating a gun? Are they all civilians? Are they all Hezbo's? Who can tell? I can't. And who's backyard are they in? Why are they in a residential area operating artillary?
See above. Using civilians and civilian populated areas as a human shield is a war crime.
As long as we're on about Human Rights Watch, lets get both sides of the story:
http://hrw.org/english/docs/2006/08/11/lebano13969.htm
The council decided to establish a commission of experts to investigate deadly attacks by Israel, but took no action with regard to Hezbollah’s murderous abuses.
http://hrw.org/english/docs/2006/08/10/lebano13955.htm
Serious violations of international humanitarian law (IHL) have been committed by both Israel and Hezbollah.
http://hrw.org/english/docs/2006/08/05/lebano13921.htm
Hezbollah must immediately stop firing rockets into civilian areas in Israel, Human Rights Watch said today.
There was death and maiming in Israel too. Only the Israeli's didn't parade their dead in front of cameras. Over and over. You have to be pretty callous to recover a dead baby from rubble, then put the dead baby back into the rubble for a second take.
And the Palestinians have been holding true to the human shield philisophy as well.
A Palestinian shooting at IDF:
Hmmm, why so many Palestinian children get killed and wounded?
earth_as_one said:
Lets play "Hezboallah or Civilian" :
Are these a bunch of civilians operating a gun? Are they all civilians? Are they all Hezbo's? Who can tell? I can't. And who's backyard are they in? Why are they in a residential area operating artillary?
See above. Using civilians and civilian populated areas as a human shield is a war crime.
As long as we're on about Human Rights Watch, lets get both sides of the story:
http://hrw.org/english/docs/2006/08/11/lebano13969.htm
The council decided to establish a commission of experts to investigate deadly attacks by Israel, but took no action with regard to Hezbollah’s murderous abuses.
http://hrw.org/english/docs/2006/08/10/lebano13955.htm
Serious violations of international humanitarian law (IHL) have been committed by both Israel and Hezbollah.
http://hrw.org/english/docs/2006/08/05/lebano13921.htm
Hezbollah must immediately stop firing rockets into civilian areas in Israel, Human Rights Watch said today.
There was death and maiming in Israel too. Only the Israeli's didn't parade their dead in front of cameras. Over and over. You have to be pretty callous to recover a dead baby from rubble, then put the dead baby back into the rubble for a second take.
And the Palestinians have been holding true to the human shield philisophy as well.
A Palestinian shooting at IDF:
Hmmm, why so many Palestinian children get killed and wounded?
AspiringStarvingArtist said:
And we've never supported the terrorists.
AspiringStarvingArtist said:
You guys might be taken more seriously if y'all weren't so frickin' one-dimensional and boiling every single bad thing down to the machinations of greedy, evil businessmen.
Like your handle BTW.
I support Israel 100%. As a soldier with Canadian UN forces in both Egypt and the Golan heights (Syria) I don't have any optimism about the ability of the Arab culture to improve it's pathetic existence. Abuse of women, children and especially animals, filth and hatred are what I remember most of the culture.
Re: RE: This must end NOW: Canadian Support for Israel - ENO
True, from now on, we can even beat every peoples on the streets who can't defend themselves like children, old peoples, just make sure if you get caught by police officer that, your answer is "self defense "", then you are clear.
Hotshot said:
True, from now on, we can even beat every peoples on the streets who can't defend themselves like children, old peoples, just make sure if you get caught by police officer that, your answer is "self defense "", then you are clear.
Why anyone could be against the only democracy in that area of the world is beyond me. Hizbollah is a terrorist organization, have taken over Lebanon, and is supported by Iran and Syria.
To say that I support Israel is an understatement.
To say that I support Israel is an understatement.
I'm pro-Israel. I cannot stand how people always paint the Israeli's as the bad guys soley because they have bigger weapons that do more damage. People throw out body counts and say "see see, look how many people Israel kills!!!". The sad reality my friends is that Israel has a robust, well trained, and well equipped military. The wrath they unleash is the burden of those who provoke the bear. If Hezbollah wants to fire rockets from a residential area, and Israel fires back with hellfires from an Apache gunship, I feel no, I say again NO pity for any civilians killed. A weapon system, whether it be an AK-47 or an ZSU-III, will draw enemy fire. If Hezbollah cared about it's people, they'd not lauch attacks against ISRAELI CIVILIANS from a residential area. A great example:
Lastly, before I close on this tired, tired, topic. Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East. The Nations surrounding it have tried on NUMEROUS occasions to literally wipe Israel off of the map. To Israel's credit they have staved off said attacks time and time again. If you honestly can sit there in your computer chair and spout off about how Israel is the aggressor, I sugest you pick up a history book and read about how many times Israel has been attacked and just how close they've come to been wiped out i.e. Yom Kippur War.
Lastly, before I close on this tired, tired, topic. Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East. The Nations surrounding it have tried on NUMEROUS occasions to literally wipe Israel off of the map. To Israel's credit they have staved off said attacks time and time again. If you honestly can sit there in your computer chair and spout off about how Israel is the aggressor, I sugest you pick up a history book and read about how many times Israel has been attacked and just how close they've come to been wiped out i.e. Yom Kippur War.
RE: This must end NOW: Ca
When I read this post this ios what it came out as.
OOOOH GOD, PLEASE CANADA, DONT USE YOUR NAVY TO STOP HEZBOLLAH FROM GETTING GUNS, SO THIS WAR CAN KEEP GOING.
Uninformed Libreals danceing around....danceing around what.....anything Canada can do to help others... Fuck off
When I read this post this ios what it came out as.
OOOOH GOD, PLEASE CANADA, DONT USE YOUR NAVY TO STOP HEZBOLLAH FROM GETTING GUNS, SO THIS WAR CAN KEEP GOING.
Uninformed Libreals danceing around....danceing around what.....anything Canada can do to help others... Fuck off
zoofer said:AspiringStarvingArtist said:
Thats as far as I got then puked.
Trudeau was best buddies with Mao, the Communist Ruskies and Castro. Even this week that addlepated moron of a son of his was idolising Castro.
Some letters to the Editor by citizens.
Yes, PET was in several countries when there was a communist revolution. There was an interesting book called 'Shrug', but I can't remember the author's name.
Re: RE: This must end NOW: Canadian Support for Israel - ENO
Nobody has tried to literally wipe israel off the map, nobody has the capability to do it, and every one who has something called a "gray brain", will know that if someone try it, they will be wipe off the map for real, look what happened to lebanon for the 2 soldier kidnapped, israel has enough nuclear weapons to wipe the entire middle east off the map just like that.
Yes hezbollah cares about his peoples, they give 12000$ us each family to reconstruct.
Mogz said:I'm pro-Israel. I cannot stand how people always paint the Israeli's as the bad guys soley because they have bigger weapons that do more damage. People throw out body counts and say "see see, look how many people Israel kills!!!". The sad reality my friends is that Israel has a robust, well trained, and well equipped military. The wrath they unleash is the burden of those who provoke the bear. If Hezbollah wants to fire rockets from a residential area, and Israel fires back with hellfires from an Apache gunship, I feel no, I say again NO pity for any civilians killed. A weapon system, whether it be an AK-47 or an ZSU-III, will draw enemy fire. If Hezbollah cared about it's people, they'd not lauch attacks against ISRAELI CIVILIANS from a residential area. A great example:
Lastly, before I close on this tired, tired, topic. Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East. The Nations surrounding it have tried on NUMEROUS occasions to literally wipe Israel off of the map. To Israel's credit they have staved off said attacks time and time again. If you honestly can sit there in your computer chair and spout off about how Israel is the aggressor, I sugest you pick up a history book and read about how many times Israel has been attacked and just how close they've come to been wiped out i.e. Yom Kippur War.
Nobody has tried to literally wipe israel off the map, nobody has the capability to do it, and every one who has something called a "gray brain", will know that if someone try it, they will be wipe off the map for real, look what happened to lebanon for the 2 soldier kidnapped, israel has enough nuclear weapons to wipe the entire middle east off the map just like that.
Yes hezbollah cares about his peoples, they give 12000$ us each family to reconstruct.
Re: RE: This must end NOW: Ca
Canada won't have to do that,the whole "Coalition of the willing" are quite happy with this situation, justifying military budget and so on, look after 5 years of wars in afganisthan, alqueada and taliban are still alive and well, since then friends of "Coalition of the willing"politiciens, which are mainly weapons manufacturers, are making huge profit.
EastSideScotian said:
Canada won't have to do that,the whole "Coalition of the willing" are quite happy with this situation, justifying military budget and so on, look after 5 years of wars in afganisthan, alqueada and taliban are still alive and well, since then friends of "Coalition of the willing"politiciens, which are mainly weapons manufacturers, are making huge profit.
Re: RE: This must end NOW: Ca
You know logic, it's become apparent that you speak about issues you really don't understand. You deem that Al-qeda and the Taliban are "allive and well", when in reality they're getting hammered. When we landed in Afghanistan in 2001 they controlled the entire Nation, now in 2006 they have a few strongholds in the South, with the North and East being firmly in Coalition and Afghan Government control. Sure they're still alive and kicking, but they're most certainly not well. If you follow the news, you'll know that a Canadian trap a few days ago decimated almost 100 Taliban fighters. The sad truth is that we're pummeling the militants, as we have been since day one. They keep losing territory, a great example is Kandahar Province. We arrived there in January of this year. Kandahar and the surrounding Provinces (save for a few U.S. FOBs and the main Airbase in Kandahar proper) was completely under militant control. Now here we are in August and Kandahar in completely under NATO control, with Helmand, Zabol, and Oruzgan Provinces nearing pacification. Now I have no doubt in my mind that you're completely unaware as to how Afghanistan is layed out, but I suggest you find a map of Afghanistan that shows the Provinces and look at it after reading this:
The Northern Provinces of Badkhshan, Takhar, Kondoz, Samangan, Bahglan, Kapisa, Laghman, Konar, Nangarhar, and Bamian were firmly under North Alliance (otherwise known as United Islamic Front for the Salvation of Afghanistan) control when the Taliban took control of the Nation in 1996. When the United States, Britain, and Canada invaded in 2001 the Northern Alliance attacked from the North whilst the coalition attacked from the South. Post-invasion the Provinces from Badkhshan to Kandahar (save for Zabol in the South) were firmly in Coalition/Northern Alliance hands. The coalition then took the War to the North West, fighting all throughout Balkh, Sar-e-Pol, Jowzjan, and Faryab Provinces, each of which were pacified in short order. Now the War, as I said above, has moved South where we're stomping the Taliban and/or Al-qaeda. Soon Helmand, Oruzgan, and Zabol Provinces will be pacified completely, leaving only those to the far West (the number is five in total) to be pacified. That won't be too hard considering the biggest concentration of Taliban/Al-qaeda are in the South, with those in Zabol and Kandahar trapped. It's a matter of time, but don't be ignorant, we are winning.
Logic 7 said:
You know logic, it's become apparent that you speak about issues you really don't understand. You deem that Al-qeda and the Taliban are "allive and well", when in reality they're getting hammered. When we landed in Afghanistan in 2001 they controlled the entire Nation, now in 2006 they have a few strongholds in the South, with the North and East being firmly in Coalition and Afghan Government control. Sure they're still alive and kicking, but they're most certainly not well. If you follow the news, you'll know that a Canadian trap a few days ago decimated almost 100 Taliban fighters. The sad truth is that we're pummeling the militants, as we have been since day one. They keep losing territory, a great example is Kandahar Province. We arrived there in January of this year. Kandahar and the surrounding Provinces (save for a few U.S. FOBs and the main Airbase in Kandahar proper) was completely under militant control. Now here we are in August and Kandahar in completely under NATO control, with Helmand, Zabol, and Oruzgan Provinces nearing pacification. Now I have no doubt in my mind that you're completely unaware as to how Afghanistan is layed out, but I suggest you find a map of Afghanistan that shows the Provinces and look at it after reading this:
The Northern Provinces of Badkhshan, Takhar, Kondoz, Samangan, Bahglan, Kapisa, Laghman, Konar, Nangarhar, and Bamian were firmly under North Alliance (otherwise known as United Islamic Front for the Salvation of Afghanistan) control when the Taliban took control of the Nation in 1996. When the United States, Britain, and Canada invaded in 2001 the Northern Alliance attacked from the North whilst the coalition attacked from the South. Post-invasion the Provinces from Badkhshan to Kandahar (save for Zabol in the South) were firmly in Coalition/Northern Alliance hands. The coalition then took the War to the North West, fighting all throughout Balkh, Sar-e-Pol, Jowzjan, and Faryab Provinces, each of which were pacified in short order. Now the War, as I said above, has moved South where we're stomping the Taliban and/or Al-qaeda. Soon Helmand, Oruzgan, and Zabol Provinces will be pacified completely, leaving only those to the far West (the number is five in total) to be pacified. That won't be too hard considering the biggest concentration of Taliban/Al-qaeda are in the South, with those in Zabol and Kandahar trapped. It's a matter of time, but don't be ignorant, we are winning.
Israel cant tell the difference between civilian and Hezbollah.....prolly the Hezbollah militants pretend theyre civilians....so it would be easier to get around places...
Re: RE: This must end NOW: Canadian Support for Israel - ENO
Killing hundreds of civilians and putting checkpoints within Palestine itself so Palestinians have trouble going in between their own towns is a little bit beyond defending itself.Hotshot said:
Re: RE: This must end NOW: Ca
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:Logic 7 said: