'They hate our policies, not our freedom'

[elevennevele]

That is a very crappy "Photoshop" work,either the guy who did it, was drunk, or he just doesnt know how use photoshop.

They aren't photoshopped. They were indeed radicals protesting in London.

But my arguement still stands. One thing I will take back however (now knowing more about the photos) is that the person I commented on ‘would of had a more in-depth explanation with probably a different statement in mind’. No, I doubt his opinion would have changed. Some of those people need to get back to the basics of their humanity.

Yes, the radicals do exist. Taliban brutality is a fact. Again the question however is why they hate us. The extreme backlash against the west really isn’t because of what we are doing in our own countries. They might ‘dislike us’ on the basis of differing values, but to the extent of ‘hatred’ - I don’t think so.

The west has blown their societies in the Middle East to bits. Destroyed towns, cities. Allowed the occupations of their lands. Blown their people to bits. Support brutal regimes and try to control their resources.

Their telivisions show what we don’t see. Children with their heads leaking out onto the roads.

They hate us because of our policies not our freedoms. Better yet, our actions. This is not a perfect statement but since we are making generalizations here, this is it.

http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/muslimprotest.asp

Other Muslims maintained that the protesters were extremists not representative of mainstream British Muslims:

Asghar Bukhari, chairman of the Muslim Public Affairs Committee, said the demonstration in London should have been stopped by police because the group had been advocating violence.

He said the protesters "did not represent British Muslims".

Mr Bukhari told the BBC News website: "The placards and chants were disgraceful and disgusting, Muslims do not feel that way.

"I condemn them without reservation, these people are less representative of Muslims than the BNP are of the British people."

He said that Muslims were angry over satirical cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad published in European papers but it was "outrageous" for anyone to advocate extreme action or violence.

"We believe it [the protest] should have been banned and the march stopped.

"It's irrelevant whether it's Muslims causing hatred or anyone else — freedom of speech has to be responsible."

Getting a little tired right now. Was barely able to think this post through.

Goodnight.

 

[elevennevele]

Anyway, what the heck is going on with England?! That is what I want to know. It seems they are losing control of their society. I guess it's long due for me to ask relatives about stuff over there because I'm starting to shake my head and wonder.

If that type of protesting occurred here in Canada I would expect at least a removal of the placards with a stern warning from law enforcement. Canada did have protests over the cartoons but it was done in a responsible way.

Ok goodnight.

 

[Logic 7]

Logic

First, I have no idea how to do photoshop. I can barely do the tags and stuff on this site.

Second, I'm not saying all Muslims or the majority of Muslims want to kill Westerners. But there is a significant minority who would kill for theological beliefs, i.e Theo van Gogh, Salman Rushdie, riots over Danish cartoons, etc.

To deny this is to deny reality.

My point was ,it was a very poor photoshop work, they don't hate western freeedoms, they hate their policy.

 

[Just the Facts]

they don't hate western freeedoms, they hate their policy.

Of course, no matter what I'm sure you'll be back in a week or two saying "they don't hate our freedoms!! Prove it!!"

OK, less than a week.

 

[Toro]

Those people in the demonstrations - they hate our freedoms.

Here are the freedoms they hate

The freedom to blasphemy.
The freedom to create a secular government over a theocratic government.
The freedom to not use the Quran as the reference for our legal structure.
The freedom to divorce.
The freedom to touch a woman out of wedlock.
The freedom to talk to a woman out of wedlock.
The freedom to watch porn. (Bad example, I know, but a freedom nonetheless.)
The freedom to get drunk.
The freedom to sin in a variety of other matters.
The freedom to convert from Islam to another religion.

And there are many more.

Religious zealotry, no matter what the religion, is regressive.

These people, the ones who are holding signs that say "Behead those who insult Islam," are religious zealots who would kill you if you insulted their religion.

And you are defending them.

 

[Logic 7]

they don't hate western freeedoms, they hate their policy.

Of course, no matter what I'm sure you'll be back in a week or two saying "they don't hate our freedoms!! Prove it!!"

OK, less than a week.

Hello,i repeat and i constantly repeat, where in the hell , they say they hate our freedom?

 

[Logic 7]

Those people in the demonstrations - they hate our freedoms.

Here are the freedoms they hate

The freedom to blasphemy.
The freedom to create a secular government over a theocratic government.
The freedom to not use the Quran as the reference for our legal structure.
The freedom to divorce.
The freedom to touch a woman out of wedlock.
The freedom to talk to a woman out of wedlock.
The freedom to watch porn. (Bad example, I know, but a freedom nonetheless.)
The freedom to get drunk.
The freedom to sin in a variety of other matters.
The freedom to convert from Islam to another religion.

And there are many more.

Religious zealotry, no matter what the religion, is regressive.

These people, the ones who are holding signs that say "Behead those who insult Islam," are religious zealots who would kill you if you insulted their religion.

And you are defending them.

None of what you posted, show a sign, where it is written, they hate western freedom. are you guys drunk of what??

Are you denying there is religious zealotry in north america?

 

[Toro]

None of what you posted, show a sign, where it is written, they hate western freedom.

are you guys drunk of what??

No. With any luck I will be later though.

Are you denying there is religious zealotry in north america?

No.

Here are a few more "photoshopped" pictures of the demonstrators Logic is so vehemently defending.

Why are you defending these people so vigorously Logic? Do you sympathize with them? Are you one of them?

 

[Toro]

RE: 'They hate our polici

Here is a link from the BBC on the protests BTW

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4686164.stm

 

[Toro]

RE: 'They hate our polici

Another article.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/02/06/ncart06.xml

 

[Toro]

RE: 'They hate our polici

In Arabic.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/arabic/world_news/newsid_4683000/4683286.stm

 

[Toro]

Those people in the demonstrations - they hate our freedoms.

Here are the freedoms they hate

The freedom to blasphemy.
The freedom to create a secular government over a theocratic government.
The freedom to not use the Quran as the reference for our legal structure.
The freedom to divorce.
The freedom to touch a woman out of wedlock.
The freedom to talk to a woman out of wedlock.
The freedom to watch porn. (Bad example, I know, but a freedom nonetheless.)
The freedom to get drunk.
The freedom to sin in a variety of other matters.
The freedom to convert from Islam to another religion.

And there are many more.

Religious zealotry, no matter what the religion, is regressive.

These people, the ones who are holding signs that say "Behead those who insult Islam," are religious zealots who would kill you if you insulted their religion.

And you are defending them.

None of what you posted, show a sign, where it is written, they hate western freedom. are you guys drunk of what??

Are you denying there is religious zealotry in north america?

Are you saying that those protesting don't hate those Western freedoms I posted?

 

[Just the Facts]

None of what you posted, show a sign, where it is written, they hate western freedom. are you guys drunk of what??

We're drunk? Have you actually been reading this thread? Try starting with the last post on page one.

Are you denying there is religious zealotry in north america?

Of course not, there is tonnes of it, spearheaded by CAIR and their Canadian counterpart.

http://www.anti-cair-net.org/

Then then there's those "deep thinkers" in new york :roll:

Zionists, Zionists You will pay! The Wrath of Allah is on its way!
Israeli Zionists You shall pay! The Wrath of Allah is on its way!
The mushroom cloud is on its way! The real Holocaust is on its way!

http://www.dustmybroom.com/?p=3704

 

[Kreskin]

Those signs look alot like the ones that were photoshopped in the ME. The same style of writing.

Edit: sorry, someone else pointed that out above.

 

[Toro]

Re: RE: 'They hate our policies, not our freedom'

Those signs look alot like the ones that were photoshopped in the ME. The same style of writing.

Edit: sorry, someone else pointed that out above.

Its possible that a few of them are. Maybe Logic is correct that the "We hate your freedom" sign is photoshopped. I don't know.

But take a look at the links. They come from the BBC and the Telegraph. Do you believe those two institutions would put - and leave - photoshopped pictures on their web sites? And if I dug deeper, I'm sure I could find many more of those types of pictures on reputable media sites.

But, like I posted earlier, this isn't about Islam. Its about religious extremism.

 

[Logic 7]

None of what you posted, show a sign, where it is written, they hate western freedom.

are you guys drunk of what??

Hello , ding ding dong, is there anybody home?? listen this photo is photoshoped, keep posting it, and i will keep laughing at you.

No. With any luck I will be later though.

Are you denying there is religious zealotry in north america?

No.

Here are a few more "photoshopped" pictures of the demonstrators Logic is so vehemently defending.

Why are you defending these people so vigorously Logic? Do you sympathize with them? Are you one of them?

And the rest , none shown, they hate our freedom, get a grip.

 

[Logic 7]

None of what you posted, show a sign, where it is written, they hate western freedom. are you guys drunk of what??

We're drunk? Have you actually been reading this thread? Try starting with the last post on page one.

Are you denying there is religious zealotry in north america?

Of course not, there is tonnes of it, spearheaded by CAIR and their Canadian counterpart.

http://www.anti-cair-net.org/

Then then there's those "deep thinkers" in new york :roll:

Zionists, Zionists You will pay! The Wrath of Allah is on its way!
Israeli Zionists You shall pay! The Wrath of Allah is on its way!
The mushroom cloud is on its way! The real Holocaust is on its way!

http://www.dustmybroom.com/?p=3704

I was talking about fundamentalist christians, there is tons of those crazy peoples liike those in north america, actually the % of american who are fundamentalist evengelist christians, is even greater than muslim extremist there is in muslim around the world.

 

[Kreskin]

Did you see this protest?

 

[Logic 7]

Re: RE: 'They hate our policies, not our freedom'

Those signs look alot like the ones that were photoshopped in the ME. The same style of writing.

Edit: sorry, someone else pointed that out above.

Its possible that a few of them are. Maybe Logic is correct that the "We hate your freedom" sign is photoshopped. I don't know.

But take a look at the links. They come from the BBC and the Telegraph. Do you believe those two institutions would put - and leave - photoshopped pictures on their web sites? And if I dug deeper, I'm sure I could find many more of those types of pictures on reputable media sites.

But, like I posted earlier, this isn't about Islam. Its about religious extremism.

Those taken from BBC and telegraph, arent the photo that i say it is photoshoped, the one with photoshoped work was taken from this site.

http://i115.photobucket.com/

 

[wallyj]

Obviously whatever is posted that goes against illogic 7's beliefs are dismissed.If he was shown the beheadings of innocents while praise Allah is chanted,that too would be dismissed.Blind belief up against facts. The simple one always chooses his beliefs.Ignorance is bliss. Why bother?