'They hate our policies, not our freedom'

[elevennevele]

3) PINKY a.k.a. T.Blair: " Gee Brain! What do you want to do tonight?"
THE BRAIN a.k.a. G>W.: " Same thing we do every night, Pinky. Plan to take over the world!

Bush as the Brain? Come on. Let’s get down to reality even though this is Looney Toons we are talking about. Maybe Bush as Pinky and Cheney as Brain. I can accept that.

That's my favorite cartoon.

I liked the "Good Feathers". The wise guy pigeons satirizing Martin Scorsese’s, "GoodFellas". That and the dog which gets in trouble looking after the lovable kid.



Oh yeah, and they hate our policies not our freedoms.

 

[Just the Facts]

Where exactly terrorist has speculate they hate our freedom? show it to me now.

It's actually elementally fundamental to the Islamist ideology. It's not superficial like they hate our freedom to vote, or to watch porn, or enjoy premarital sex without threat of being stoned to death; although all those things are part of it. Essentially, they hate our freedom to not be Islamic. In their view, an unislamic nation is an abomination before God, and God has commanded them to Islamize the world.

Here are a few links to get you started if you really want to understand what is meant by "they hate our freedoms". Do some research on Qutb's concept of "Islamic Freedom". It's very different from our western concept of freedom, and fundamental to the Islamists.

Of course, no matter what I'm sure you'll be back in a week or two saying "they don't hate our freedoms!! Prove it!!"

http://www.aina.org/news/20060616105850.htm

As stated on its charter and its website, the MB seeks to install an Islamic totalitarian empire, a worldwide Caliphate, through stages designed to Islamize [21] targeted nations by whatever means available.

A principal danger of MB activities is that they are hidden behind "religious" ideology. Moreover, this ideology dictates concealment (Kitman).[22] In fact saying, "we should keep hush-hush on things that are still in preparation." This ideology controls every aspect of life and seeks to impose that control on everyone.

http://pages.slc.edu/~eraymond/ccorner/exchange/post911.html

To anyone who has looked closely enough, Al Qaeda and its sister organizations plainly enjoy yet another strength, arguably the greatest strength of all, something truly imposing -- though in the Western press this final strength has received very little attention. Bin Laden is a Saudi plutocrat with Yemeni ancestors, and most of the suicide warriors of Sept. 11 were likewise Saudis, and the provenance of those people has focused everyone's attention on the Arabian peninsula. But Al Qaeda has broader roots. The organization was created in the late 1980's by an affiliation of three armed factions -- bin Laden's circle of ''Afghan'' Arabs, together with two factions from Egypt, the Islamic Group and Egyptian Islamic Jihad, the latter led by Dr. Ayman al-Zawahiri, Al Qaeda's top theoretician. The Egyptian factions emerged from an older current, a school of thought from within Egypt's fundamentalist movement, the Muslim Brotherhood, in the 1950's and 60's. And at the heart of that single school of thought stood, until his execution in 1966, a philosopher named Sayyid Qutb -- the intellectual hero of every one of the groups that eventually went into Al Qaeda, their Karl Marx (to put it that way), their guide.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=22916

In the end, the MB intends to overthrow all secular governments and impose Islamic law (Shari’a) worldwide, and it is diligently pursuing this goal. In July 2005, former Kuwaiti minister of education Dr. Ahmad Al-Rab'i,[23] wrote in the Arabic London daily, Al-Sharq Al-Awsat: "The beginnings of all of the religious terrorism that we are witnessing today were in the Muslim Brotherhood's ideology." Thus, on its website,[24] the MB advocates, “Establishing the Islamic government.”

http://www.rotten.com/library/conspiracy/muslim-brotherhood/

In Saudi Arabia during the early 1970s, the thriving Brotherhood had reached out to the prodigal son of one of the kingdom's leading families. Osama bin Laden had been living the life of a dissolute Saudi prince, clubbing in Europe and consorting with loose women, when he was introduced to the Brotherhood's strict tenets and, in particular, the philosophies of Sayyid Qutb, a Muslim Brother who penned virulently anti-American texts after a trip to the States in the early 1950s.


Edited for emphasis

 

[Toro]

 

[wallyj]

They hate our policies.,like not killing homosexuals, teaching women how to read, listening to music,having a beer on a hot day, not praying to allah,etc.etc. etc.

 

[Just the Facts]

Re: RE: 'They hate our policies, not our freedom'

They hate our policies.,like not killing homosexuals, teaching women how to read, listening to music,having a beer on a hot day, not praying to allah,etc.etc. etc.

:thumbup:

So they hate our policies AND our freedoms.

 

[feronia]

They hate/fear what they don't know.

 

[elevennevele]

Maybe his comment is on American Freedom. The kind of freedom that comes with a rain of bombs.

Something tells me that if he knew how people like yourself were going to use him, he would have a more in-depth explanation with probably a different statement in mind.

I’m sure there are a specific collections of photos that are saved up to generalized all the rest. Just like pulling up a photo of Conservative MP Jason Kenney addressing Iranian supporters of a banned terrorist group to not only show his own hypocrisy, but that of the entire conservative party. Which actually holds weight than a photo of an anonymous guy given that Jason Kenney did welcome them on behalf of the PM and is a public figure knowing he will be received as such.

Moreover, there is so much footage out there, pictures and video, expressing peoples desire for freedom. Freedom from oppression. Freedom from occupation. Freedom from war. A future for their children not unlike our own. People, who given the time to be heard, are much more reasoned out than a snapshot for ideologues to demonize with.

The truth is probably that your photo is more a representation of this person’s frustration than it is about a statement on freedom. I could picture a Katrina victim, or a homeless man, or anyone who feels very betrayed by the society he lives in, holding up the same sign. Moreover, if that is a person in Palestine, then that person hasn’t had the luxury of any real freedom to know a full appreciation of it.

[i]Delighted with the Peace Initiative
Moustafa Mouhamed Hassan, age 14[/i]
[i]Felt pen[/i]

 

[Toro]

Maybe his comment is on American Freedom. The kind of freedom that comes with a rain of bombs.

Yes. And maybe he means freedom from sin and corruption that only shar'ia law can bring. After all, he covers his face while protesting in London, so he can't be too high on "American" freedom.

In fact, its probably pretty safe to say he isn't enamoured by "American" freedom. Here are some of his friends from the same demonstration

 

[Toro]

And actually, isn't the title of this thread, "They hate our policies, not our freedom?"

 

[Said1]

Nice that he has the freedom to demonstrate his veiws, athough, in a theocracy, I supposed signs of that nature would be welcome.

 

[Logic 7]

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That is a very crappy "Photoshop" work,either the guy who did it, was drunk, or he just doesnt know how use photoshop.

 

[tamarin]

Given the weird, anti-community, anti-authority, anti-responsibility gangsta rap culture that dominates North American youth at the moment it's safe to say the fundamentalists overseas have got it right. They hate our freedom to be complete screw-ups.

 

[Gonzo]

I think if they were as wealthy as we are they wouldn't hate North America so much. Our policies have kept their countries poor.

 

[Toro]

That is a very crappy "Photoshop" work,either the guy who did it, was drunk, or he just doesnt know how use photoshop.

Quite the apologist for the people who'd kill you if you didn't submit.

Those sure look "photoshopped!"

:lol: :lol:

 

[Logic 7]

That is a very crappy "Photoshop" work,either the guy who did it, was drunk, or he just doesnt know how use photoshop.

Quite the apologist for the people who'd kill you if you didn't submit.

Those sure look "photoshopped!"

:lol: :lol:

Those arent probably photoshop, the first one you brought, i am sorry, if you did that, cause it appears to be on your video/audio website,is garbage photoshop work, try harder,but none of them you just posted, support the claim they hate westerns freedoms.

Of course they want to kill western peoples, hey, what do you think us coalition of the willing are doing overthere? killing, stealing ressources, intsalllihng chaos,supports israel, and george w mush already said, " better to fight them there, than here"

There is something western people havent understand of islam, is the fact, they are ready to die for their cause in generals,when western peoples are only ready to sends others to do it hidden behind their great technologie, to me the war is already lost, and arabs knows it.

 

[gc]

Exactly there is no evidence at all, even on fbi web site, oussama bin laden isnt even wanted for 9-11.Here is the link.

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/laden.htm

I'm curious....even if bin laden didn't do it, why wouldn't he be wanted by the FBI for 9/11? If the government wants you to think he did it, he would be wanted for 9/11, so that argument doesn't really hold.

 

[Toro]

Logic

First, I have no idea how to do photoshop. I can barely do the tags and stuff on this site.

Second, I'm not saying all Muslims or the majority of Muslims want to kill Westerners. But there is a significant minority who would kill for theological beliefs, i.e Theo van Gogh, Salman Rushdie, riots over Danish cartoons, etc.

To deny this is to deny reality.

 

[missile]

Who, or what is this "I SLAM" character? Some sort of evil genius with ambitions of world domination :lol:

 

[Toro]

Who, or what is this "I SLAM" character? Some sort of evil genius with ambitions of world domination :lol:

Kinda like S.P.E.C.T.E.R.?

 

[Said1]

RE: 'They hate our polici

And I suspect the blogs and message boards filled with hate, including the recent findings created by Islamic women were all a big ruuuuuuuuuuse as well.