The West should be free to Critcize Islam?

[Chukcha]

I most definetly do NOT agree with you. I think the west should just leave muslims and their religion alone. I mean what's the point of criticizing them? Is it doing any good? no of course not and this is exactly why things are getting pretty heated up when dealing with islamic issues. I mean if you don't like some aspect of their religion, its really too bad cause you can't change it or do anything about it.

If the west should leave "those muslims" alone, then I suggest the west should leave "those muslim's" bank accounts alone too, they can try and live their way of life in the western society without being paid, otherwise, anyone can stay positive. Seems to me it's a bit unfair, they come to the western countries, milk government and hate that government, and the west should live them alone. Hm, interesting point.

 

[Chukcha]

when was the last time an Iraqi or Iranian attack was prosecuted on Canadian soil?

Eh.. 9/11??? close enough

When was the last time we all felt such great justification for murdering children in their beds (other than the IRA of course) and when was the last time that any North American city or village was bombed burned, bulldozed into piles of rubble and the political party, the religious leaders and innocents of all ages and sexes were targetted by Moslems for extermination?

Happens a lot around the third world countries at the moment. Just give'em a power and soon you will see a better picture.[/quote]

 

[Colpy]

This is the best statement I have heard. You can criticize but if you blatantly attack someone for their values, that is not friendly and they are not going to be friendly to you. What do you expect, expect you to call them animals and call their religion evil and their prophet nothing more than a suicide bomber and expect them to say;

Okay we love you you westerners for showing us our wrongs. Hell no. That's the stupidest thought I ever heard.

You are missing the point entirely.

Islam has no sense of liberty. You are NOT free to criticize Islam constructively, or any other way.

People have been murdered for questioning Islam's treatment of women.

People have been condemned to death for writing books with some criticism of Islam.

The Pope speaks against violence in Islam, and churches burn and nuns are killed.

A play is shut down because it shows the beheading of jesus, Mohammed, and Bhudda. Guess which religious looneys the producers fear?

To pretend this is some tiny disagreement between folks who share some common world view is really, really stupid.

 

[Sassylassie]

Bang on Colpy, and they are growing stronger everyday. The EU is bent over backwards pandering in fear to them at the expense of the rest of their Citizens' rights. They are winning.

 

[MikeyDB]

NO Chukcha not close enough!

If there were Iraqis in those airplanes or Afghanis in those airplanes that were flown into the towers and those Afhganis and Iraquis were agents of their government committing an act of war against the United States that would be something entirely different.

The "terrorism" of September 11/2001 was a terrorism practiced by a fanatical Islamic group funded in large part by the Saudis (directly and indirectly) through the Bin Laden corporations, all of whom have holdings in the United States and who were allowed to take off out of the U.S. when no one else was permitted to fly!

The people who drowned and burned witches in Massachusetts were Christians, so is it appropriate that all "Christians" be labelled as terrorists and murderers?

Canadians have tolerated American missile emplacements on our soil since the end of the second world war and should therefore the Russians and whomever has a gripe with America assume that you or I as individuals living in Canada, voting in Canada...had a damn thing to do with accepting those missile deployments?

Thinking in finite little bundles of "logic" or citing religious dogma as the rationale behind criminal behavior obscures the reality and doesn't bring clarity to the issue.

Should the west (or anyone) have the "right" to criticize the practices of Islamics when that practice includes handing out and sponsoring death and destruction....

Damn right just make sure that the people you're criticizing aren't being tarred with a brush that's too wide.

 

[Chukcha]

The "terrorism" of September 11/2001 was a terrorism practiced by a fanatical Islamic group funded in large part by the Saudis (directly and indirectly) through the Bin Laden corporations, all of whom have holdings in the United States and who were allowed to take off out of the U.S. when no one else was permitted to fly!

And the Chechens bombings in Russia are based on because they believe it's their land, and the bombings in Indonesia are based on because they believe Aussies are bad, and so on. Just somehow it really makes me curious by looking at a small group of terrorists made most of the Arab and muslim world think alike.
As I said before, these people live in civilised societies, have no fear like they would if they were living in ME, Africa, etc, but they still hate those with different mentality and different point of view.
I believe that drags, smoke and alcohol are bad for you, but I am not going to hate anyone who does this, because everyone is just so different. They come into the western society and as soon as they become citizens you hear them talking really offensive towards the westerners. It's NOT JUST ONE SMALL GROUP, it's not just Osama Bin Laden, or Hizboullah, or whoever it is, it's the mentality which is based and grown on hate and anger from baby age. Why don't just some people look at it that way> before it's going to be too late to discuss anything at all. Doesn't anyone realise that it's heading that way? Why can't we just stop it, let them overcome the stone age under our control, that would be safer I think.

The people who drowned and burned witches in Massachusetts were Christians, so is it appropriate that all "Christians" be labelled as terrorists and murderers?

I am not labelling ALL muslims as terrorirst and murderers, I am coming with a point, that if the western society isn't going to do anything about terrorism, then it will grow bigger and stronger, and those muslims who maybe WANT to believe into something different will not be able even to think about that idea, no one wants to loose their head, therefore, all of them would think alike to stay alive. Fear rules.

 

[bluewaters101]

If the west should leave "those muslims" alone, then I suggest the west should leave "those muslim's" bank accounts alone too, they can try and live their way of life in the western society without being paid, otherwise, anyone can stay positive. Seems to me it's a bit unfair, they come to the western countries, milk government and hate that government, and the west should live them alone. Hm, interesting point.

Oh come on, you're misinterpreting me. What i meant is that we shouldn't go to their countries or voice our objections on certain aspects of their way of life if they are or seem unaccepatable to us. I mean That's what they want to do who cares? What you said kinda seems confusing but I think what i understand from what you said is that we shouldn't pay them when they come here? Well, i think that's not fair because if i decided to go to a muslim country and wanted to work there or live there for that matter i would want to be treated like everyone else. Wouldn't you?

 

[fuzzylogix]

LOL Said1 we won't for much longer. I will never stop speaking out about the horrible things that are done to Women and Children in the name of Islam. It's barbaric, they may practice their Sharia Law in their Home Land but not in Canada. I will not allow my voice to be silenced in the name of Islam, it's not my religion, thus I will not practice it's laws.

I will never stop speaking out about the horrible things that are done to Women. It's barbaric. I will not allow my voice to be silenced.


www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2406021,00.html

 

[markie]

You wont force freedom of speech onto other people by taunting and disparaging them. When the west is rude, it merely reinforces the ugly image that the Muslim community has of us.

My mother always said, " If you cant say something nice, then dont say it" This doesnt mean however, that you cant discuss differences. But in politics and diplomacy, you CANNOT be nasty, or spiteful, or insulting no matter how much you despise your opponent, or you lose automatically at the diplomatic table.

Or more simply. Two wrongs dont make a right. You well know that if you think someone has insulted you, insulting them back is not justified and does not help the situation.

Muslims didn't have a reason to be insulted.

 

[markie]

He wasn't talking specifocally about islam he was talking about religion in general. I honestly didn't see any thing anti islamic in his speech.

 

[Chukcha]

Oh come on, you're misinterpreting me. What i meant is that we shouldn't go to their countries or voice our objections on certain aspects of their way of life if they are or seem unaccepatable to us. I mean That's what they want to do who cares? What you said kinda seems confusing but I think what i understand from what you said is that we shouldn't pay them when they come here? Well, i think that's not fair because if i decided to go to a muslim country and wanted to work there or live there for that matter i would want to be treated like everyone else. Wouldn't you?

Who seem to be unnacceptable to the west? Those who believe in enslaving everyone around them, and fearing with death and tough penalties to women, those are the ones that appear to be offended about the whole thing. I,as a woman, would pray God for someone to come and save me from the hell they go through over in middle east. I was brought up in USSR, lived there for more than 20 years, and I would not consider going back to the way it was, but I know a lot of russians who would, you know why, because they never had to struggle, the communism idea worked pretty good for them, and maybe they were the majority, maybe the minority, but I know, that if west did not interfere, I would be stuck for the REST OF MY LIFE. It really scares me.
And I believe, that if someone decides to live in another country, at least be gratefull for what you've been given, but no, with these kind of people, they want everything in the package, including the whole land for themselves. Not saying that all of them are like that, but the majority is.