The West should be free to Critcize Islam?
- Thread starter Sassylassie
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Democracies in the west have demonstrated their tolerance for the priests of the Roman Catholic religion to be insulated against the legal processes and systems of government by only rarely if ever having a Cardinal a Bishop or any “ranking” member of that church tried and jailed for atrocities that would land the average pedophile in prison.
Only lately has there been some attention paid to the brutality and conditioning of the Anglican church through Residential Schools and some of its victims having come forward to give good “Christians” the opportunity of bringing the perpetrators and abettors of these heinous deeds before democracy’s “justice”, only to witness very little if anything done….
Everyone is hyper-sensitive to the outrages of common sense that flow from passion and barbaric behavior attributed as response to cartoons and literature that insults or denigrates Islam and Moslems as a whole.
Hypocrites one and all.
You’re eager to bring justice and freedom to women suffering under the archaic dogma of a barbarous “belief” when its handy to fight the war somewhere else and you don’t have to see the bodies, smell the blood or rebuild the destruction but you’re content to let the Roman Catholic church operate schools where homosexual youngsters are “righteously” held in contempt and disparagement of these children is encouraged.
You feel it manifestly unfair that Islam practices gender discrimination and yet gender discrimination is what has built the Roman Catholic Church, the Wesleyan Church and just about every other theism. Practiced and tolerated for generations.
I could go on of course since the same behaviour some folk find so terrible today was practiced only a short while ago in the Southern United States where black people were lynched and burned alive.
This is the opportunity afforded the merchants and the power brokers to focus your anger and contempt externally and there’s been a big bad bogeyman all set up to take the fall. The same credos of intolerance and conditioned hatred you so despise in the Moslem or the Arab or the Islamist is in every way shape and forms entirely the same as every sermon from the pulpits of Baptist, Catholic, Lutheran….good “Christian” churches all over the planet for centuries and the same message being sent today…
It’s OK to hate them and their religion because after all its not ours….
So we can dehumanize all of them and justify killing thousands a day to protect our way of life….
You people are so strange.
Only lately has there been some attention paid to the brutality and conditioning of the Anglican church through Residential Schools and some of its victims having come forward to give good “Christians” the opportunity of bringing the perpetrators and abettors of these heinous deeds before democracy’s “justice”, only to witness very little if anything done….
Everyone is hyper-sensitive to the outrages of common sense that flow from passion and barbaric behavior attributed as response to cartoons and literature that insults or denigrates Islam and Moslems as a whole.
Hypocrites one and all.
You’re eager to bring justice and freedom to women suffering under the archaic dogma of a barbarous “belief” when its handy to fight the war somewhere else and you don’t have to see the bodies, smell the blood or rebuild the destruction but you’re content to let the Roman Catholic church operate schools where homosexual youngsters are “righteously” held in contempt and disparagement of these children is encouraged.
You feel it manifestly unfair that Islam practices gender discrimination and yet gender discrimination is what has built the Roman Catholic Church, the Wesleyan Church and just about every other theism. Practiced and tolerated for generations.
I could go on of course since the same behaviour some folk find so terrible today was practiced only a short while ago in the Southern United States where black people were lynched and burned alive.
This is the opportunity afforded the merchants and the power brokers to focus your anger and contempt externally and there’s been a big bad bogeyman all set up to take the fall. The same credos of intolerance and conditioned hatred you so despise in the Moslem or the Arab or the Islamist is in every way shape and forms entirely the same as every sermon from the pulpits of Baptist, Catholic, Lutheran….good “Christian” churches all over the planet for centuries and the same message being sent today…
It’s OK to hate them and their religion because after all its not ours….
So we can dehumanize all of them and justify killing thousands a day to protect our way of life….
You people are so strange.
Quote: So we can dehumanize all of them and justify killing thousands a day to protect our way of life….
When you enter Canada as an immigrant you are entering into a Canadian way of like, if they can't adjust then it is they who need to change their ethos not ME. My ancestors fought in Wars to protect my right to "Free Speech/beliefs" and I will not dishonor their sacrifice by silencing my beliefs in the name of Allah.
When you enter Canada as an immigrant you are entering into a Canadian way of like, if they can't adjust then it is they who need to change their ethos not ME. My ancestors fought in Wars to protect my right to "Free Speech/beliefs" and I will not dishonor their sacrifice by silencing my beliefs in the name of Allah.
why can't people leave each other in peace?
I most definetly do NOT agree with you. I think the west should just leave muslims and their religion alone. I mean what's the point of criticizing them? Is it doing any good? no of course not and this is exactly why things are getting pretty heated up when dealing with islamic issues. I mean if you don't like some aspect of their religion, its really too bad cause you can't change it or do anything about it.
I most definetly do NOT agree with you. I think the west should just leave muslims and their religion alone. I mean what's the point of criticizing them? Is it doing any good? no of course not and this is exactly why things are getting pretty heated up when dealing with islamic issues. I mean if you don't like some aspect of their religion, its really too bad cause you can't change it or do anything about it.
huh?
But I don't hate their religon...
Also you are using fault logic as to residential schools and priest abusing little boys.
That is behaviour that was hidden behind closed doors but stupid men not part of the common religion. I agree that not much has been done about it, however something is being done about it..If not you would never have known it even happened at all.
I for one am part of the Anglican communion and have offered money to the funds to help heal a terrible wrong.
Again though these are the people err cowards that hide behind the religon to cover their sins.
They find pedofiles leading Boy scouts at times..does that make Boy scouts clubs bad!!
But when someone stands up in public and asks for violent attacks on other's in a democratic society..he should be stoped!
But I don't hate their religon...
Also you are using fault logic as to residential schools and priest abusing little boys.
That is behaviour that was hidden behind closed doors but stupid men not part of the common religion. I agree that not much has been done about it, however something is being done about it..If not you would never have known it even happened at all.
I for one am part of the Anglican communion and have offered money to the funds to help heal a terrible wrong.
Again though these are the people err cowards that hide behind the religon to cover their sins.
They find pedofiles leading Boy scouts at times..does that make Boy scouts clubs bad!!
But when someone stands up in public and asks for violent attacks on other's in a democratic society..he should be stoped!
Sassylassie
I doubt you've been to Tehran or likely anywhere in the Middle East, but even if I'm wrong about that, if your anger is focused on the Moslems you don't like behaving the way they do since there here in Canada, perhaps you could share with us when exactly the faith of Islam underwent a metamorphosis that turned it into a philosophy or a "belief-system" that warranted support from the United States in the form of chemical weapons to kill thousands upon thousands of Iranians and Iraquis?
When Donald Rumsfeld and Colin Powel were buddy-buddy with Saddam Hussein and gave Saddam's military weapons to kill men women and children during Saddams invasion/war with Iran would you think that you'd be entitled to disparage someone responsible for standing by while generations of your family were sacrificed?
You were complicit in killing them and you both won't accept that nor permit that to be true even in your mind.
You then have the chutzpha to dismiss their anger toward you and call it unjustified and unwarranted in the face of your doing nothing but increase the dehumanization of these people while you let the same cancer eat away at your society from within...
Nice talking with you but I don't really think we have anything further to discuss.
I doubt you've been to Tehran or likely anywhere in the Middle East, but even if I'm wrong about that, if your anger is focused on the Moslems you don't like behaving the way they do since there here in Canada, perhaps you could share with us when exactly the faith of Islam underwent a metamorphosis that turned it into a philosophy or a "belief-system" that warranted support from the United States in the form of chemical weapons to kill thousands upon thousands of Iranians and Iraquis?
When Donald Rumsfeld and Colin Powel were buddy-buddy with Saddam Hussein and gave Saddam's military weapons to kill men women and children during Saddams invasion/war with Iran would you think that you'd be entitled to disparage someone responsible for standing by while generations of your family were sacrificed?
You were complicit in killing them and you both won't accept that nor permit that to be true even in your mind.
You then have the chutzpha to dismiss their anger toward you and call it unjustified and unwarranted in the face of your doing nothing but increase the dehumanization of these people while you let the same cancer eat away at your society from within...
Nice talking with you but I don't really think we have anything further to discuss.
p.s. this is what our "mulitculture society" has brought ..lots of people not even understanding that they are in another country now....
Should I move to India and demand that everyone eat beef?
Should I move to India and demand that everyone eat beef?
My anger is focused right where it should be at Muslims calling for the Death of MY Pope. If you choose to believe the Radicals are harmless that is your "Choice" I do not believe this Religion is one of Peace but Violence. I could post a hundred different stories on this Religion of Peace and it's gruesome and ugly.
It marches on day by day killing Christians and Moderate Muslims, it is not a Religion of Peace.
Another Article on the Pope.
Somali cleric calls for pope's death
A HARDLINE cleric linked to Somalia's powerful Islamist movement has called for Muslims to "hunt down" and kill Pope Benedict XVI for his controversial comments about Islam.
Sheikh Abubukar Hassan Malin urged Muslims to find the pontiff and punish him for insulting the Prophet Mohammed and Allah in a speech that he said was as offensive as author Salman Rushdie's novel The Satanic Verses.
"We urge you Muslims wherever you are to hunt down the Pope for his barbaric statements as you have pursued Salman Rushdie, the enemy of Allah who offended our religion," he said in Friday evening prayers.
"Whoever offends our Prophet Mohammed should be killed on the spot by the nearest Muslim," Malin, a prominent cleric in the Somali capital, told worshippers at a mosque in southern Mogadishu.
"We call on all Islamic Communities across the world to take revenge on the baseless critic called the pope," he said.
Reached by telephone on Saturday, Malin confirmed making the remarks that were echoed in less strident form by other senior clerics in the Supreme Islamic Council of Somalia (SICS).
Another SICS executive member, Sheikh Ahmed Abdullahi, vented similar anger at the pope's "barbarous criticism" but stopped short of calling for his murder.
"He must apologise because he has offended the most honorable person who ever lived in the world," Abdullahi said.
The German-born leader of the Roman Catholic Church has been condemned in the Muslim world for comments he made at a Tuesday lecture, in which he implicitly denounced links between Islam and violence, particularly with reference to jihad, or "holy war."
The pope also quoted a 14th-century Byzantine emperor who said innovations introduced by the Prophet Mohammed were "evil and inhuman."
Somalia, a Horn of Africa nation of some 10 million mainly moderate Muslims, has been wracked by instability for the past 16 years but has recently seen the rise of fundamentalist Islamists who seized the capital in June.
Words mere words and this is their barbaric retarded response, Animals.
It marches on day by day killing Christians and Moderate Muslims, it is not a Religion of Peace.
Another Article on the Pope.
Somali cleric calls for pope's death
- September 17, 2006
A HARDLINE cleric linked to Somalia's powerful Islamist movement has called for Muslims to "hunt down" and kill Pope Benedict XVI for his controversial comments about Islam.
Sheikh Abubukar Hassan Malin urged Muslims to find the pontiff and punish him for insulting the Prophet Mohammed and Allah in a speech that he said was as offensive as author Salman Rushdie's novel The Satanic Verses.
"We urge you Muslims wherever you are to hunt down the Pope for his barbaric statements as you have pursued Salman Rushdie, the enemy of Allah who offended our religion," he said in Friday evening prayers.
"Whoever offends our Prophet Mohammed should be killed on the spot by the nearest Muslim," Malin, a prominent cleric in the Somali capital, told worshippers at a mosque in southern Mogadishu.
"We call on all Islamic Communities across the world to take revenge on the baseless critic called the pope," he said.
Reached by telephone on Saturday, Malin confirmed making the remarks that were echoed in less strident form by other senior clerics in the Supreme Islamic Council of Somalia (SICS).
Another SICS executive member, Sheikh Ahmed Abdullahi, vented similar anger at the pope's "barbarous criticism" but stopped short of calling for his murder.
"He must apologise because he has offended the most honorable person who ever lived in the world," Abdullahi said.
The German-born leader of the Roman Catholic Church has been condemned in the Muslim world for comments he made at a Tuesday lecture, in which he implicitly denounced links between Islam and violence, particularly with reference to jihad, or "holy war."
The pope also quoted a 14th-century Byzantine emperor who said innovations introduced by the Prophet Mohammed were "evil and inhuman."
Somalia, a Horn of Africa nation of some 10 million mainly moderate Muslims, has been wracked by instability for the past 16 years but has recently seen the rise of fundamentalist Islamists who seized the capital in June.
Words mere words and this is their barbaric retarded response, Animals.
Sassy
You embrace your notion of "justice" and accept that it takes "struggle" to achieve equal rights for women, you keep your morality in tact in a society that dresses up their little girls like wh0res and wonders why so many children are killing themselves...
The number and kinds of atrocities you're willing to accept inside your own society speaks volumes about the expectation any Moslem or Middle Eastern person can expect at the hands of your "justice".
Not only is the “justice” of the west well recorded through their ambivalence toward thousands and perhaps millions killed while the oil flowed to feed western appetites, but the injustice the genocides and the barbarism of those ten years is forgotten while the barbarism the genocide and the suffering of Jews the world over will never be permitted to be forgotten.
And do you really think that Paul Wolfowitz and Richard Pearl and Henry Kissinger had anything else in mind when they stoked the furnaces of outrage after the 1991 Gulf War and all but pushed the American administration into creating a “cause celebre” capable of warranting an invasion and the deaths of thousands upon thousands of innocents?
No of course all those crazed lunatics sitting on all that oil were and are justifiably exterminated.
Islamite’s brought the war to America, but they didn’t start the war.
Their religion is older than Christianity but Christianity has enjoyed the experience of wealth and power by making sure that “they” kept the oil pumping to feed the Christian machine.
If it is a “crusade”, as Barbara Frum’s idiot child wrote for George Bush’s speech, who at the end of the day started and continues to prosecute this crusade?
And why would you be so annoyed that the people whom you’re telling are only deserving of death in lieu of adopting what you believe and living the way you think its “right” to live are resisting your arrogance and hubris?
Who is the guilty party here?
You embrace your notion of "justice" and accept that it takes "struggle" to achieve equal rights for women, you keep your morality in tact in a society that dresses up their little girls like wh0res and wonders why so many children are killing themselves...
The number and kinds of atrocities you're willing to accept inside your own society speaks volumes about the expectation any Moslem or Middle Eastern person can expect at the hands of your "justice".
Not only is the “justice” of the west well recorded through their ambivalence toward thousands and perhaps millions killed while the oil flowed to feed western appetites, but the injustice the genocides and the barbarism of those ten years is forgotten while the barbarism the genocide and the suffering of Jews the world over will never be permitted to be forgotten.
And do you really think that Paul Wolfowitz and Richard Pearl and Henry Kissinger had anything else in mind when they stoked the furnaces of outrage after the 1991 Gulf War and all but pushed the American administration into creating a “cause celebre” capable of warranting an invasion and the deaths of thousands upon thousands of innocents?
No of course all those crazed lunatics sitting on all that oil were and are justifiably exterminated.
Islamite’s brought the war to America, but they didn’t start the war.
Their religion is older than Christianity but Christianity has enjoyed the experience of wealth and power by making sure that “they” kept the oil pumping to feed the Christian machine.
If it is a “crusade”, as Barbara Frum’s idiot child wrote for George Bush’s speech, who at the end of the day started and continues to prosecute this crusade?
And why would you be so annoyed that the people whom you’re telling are only deserving of death in lieu of adopting what you believe and living the way you think its “right” to live are resisting your arrogance and hubris?
Who is the guilty party here?
Mikey you are one of those who blame Bush for the Hatred of Muslims, yes it's all about oil. No it's not it's about a religion that makes "Excuses" for it's Radicals. Excuses they do not have a valid reason and please spare me your propaganda visa vie oil, Muslims have to be held accountable for their actions in Canada and World Wide. They have been pandered to long enough. Enough with the looting, rioting, burning pictures of those they deem the enemy, oh don't forget the endless slaughter of their own fellow Muslims in Dafar??? I will not cower and be silenced so as not to offend their god, he's not my god thus he's a false god.
P.S. shaking head I am at CC and not that Scawry sight right?
P.S. shaking head I am at CC and not that Scawry sight right?
out to lunch!!
The only ones who ever make this a religious war are the Muslims!!!
This is NOT a Christian nation!!! If it was my kids would pray in public school..
There are Christians in this Nation, but so are there Muslims, Budist Hindu's etc... Muslim nations seem to not understand this since there religon is also their government. 1st you take everything the U.S. says and does as the action of all western nations and second Hell were does that money from oil go..if not to fund wacko activities in Arab nations...geezz
The only ones who ever make this a religious war are the Muslims!!!
This is NOT a Christian nation!!! If it was my kids would pray in public school..
There are Christians in this Nation, but so are there Muslims, Budist Hindu's etc... Muslim nations seem to not understand this since there religon is also their government. 1st you take everything the U.S. says and does as the action of all western nations and second Hell were does that money from oil go..if not to fund wacko activities in Arab nations...geezz
More actions against Christians from Muslims.
Ottawa Bill wrote: The only ones who ever make this a religious war are the Muslims!!!
I concur Bill.
Machete attack survivor working on rehab
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Noviana's injury
The only survivor of a machete attack by radical Muslims on four Christian high school girls successfully has had surgery on her massive injury, and officials with Voice of the Martyrs say they are working on additional treatments for her.
As WND has described, Noviana Malewa and three of her friends were walking on a school path Oct 29, 2005, when they were assaulted by jihadists wielding machetes. Three of the girls were decapitated and Noviana suffered a massive slash that ran from her cheek to her neck.
(After being under police protection for several months, there were negotiations so she could be moved from her hiding place to the location of her hospitalization, according to an announcement from VOM yesterday.
She recently underwent surgery in Surabaya, Indonesia, to address a number of complications from the injury, as well as the scarring, officials said. She had suffered from an involuntary tick in her eye, and another near her mouth, because of the deep cut.
She also had severe nerve damage and a dislocated jaw, and deals with severe and sudden pain as well as the emotional trauma of having survived such a gruesome attack, officials said.
Scar tissue is being treated
VOMedical said it was pleased to be able to help so far, and will continue to provide what help will be useful.
"She must daily massage her face to stimulate nerve growth and expose her scarring to infra-red beam treatment for five minutes," VOM said. "Neuro-medicine therapy and skin salves must also be administrated on a daily basis."
Help from a plastic surgeon reduced the scarring, which boosted her morale, officials said.
VOM sources in Indonesia said the attack happened as the four girls were walking through a cocoa plantation on their way to a private Christian high school in Posa Kota subdistrict.
Noviana, now 16, and Theresia Morangke, 15, Yarni Sambue, 15, and Alfita Poliwo, 17, were ambushed by six masked Islamic terrorists, who decapitated the three. Noviana survived because the sword slash did not make a direct connection and she ran away bleeding.
Authorities reported the heads of the three girls were found in bags on the steps of a church and along a road, carrying a message, "We will murder 100 more Christian teenagers and their heads will be presented as presents."
The Pakistan Christian Post reported that Noviana recalled streaming with blood.
"All I could do was pray to Jesus for his help,' she said.
The report said Muslim-Christian violence killed almost 1000 people on Sulawesi between 2000 and 2002, and a peace agreement has not halted the bombings, shootings and other attacks on Christians near Poso.
Voice of the Martyrs was launched by Pastor Richard Wurmbrand, who spent more than a decade in a prison for his Christian faith, and later wrote, "Tortured for Christ."
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Ottawa Bill wrote: The only ones who ever make this a religious war are the Muslims!!!
I concur Bill.
Machete attack survivor working on rehab
[SIZE=+1]Christian high school girl was only victim left alive in ambush by Muslims[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Posted: September 21, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern
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Noviana's injury
The only survivor of a machete attack by radical Muslims on four Christian high school girls successfully has had surgery on her massive injury, and officials with Voice of the Martyrs say they are working on additional treatments for her.
As WND has described, Noviana Malewa and three of her friends were walking on a school path Oct 29, 2005, when they were assaulted by jihadists wielding machetes. Three of the girls were decapitated and Noviana suffered a massive slash that ran from her cheek to her neck.
(After being under police protection for several months, there were negotiations so she could be moved from her hiding place to the location of her hospitalization, according to an announcement from VOM yesterday.
She recently underwent surgery in Surabaya, Indonesia, to address a number of complications from the injury, as well as the scarring, officials said. She had suffered from an involuntary tick in her eye, and another near her mouth, because of the deep cut.
She also had severe nerve damage and a dislocated jaw, and deals with severe and sudden pain as well as the emotional trauma of having survived such a gruesome attack, officials said.
Scar tissue is being treated
VOMedical said it was pleased to be able to help so far, and will continue to provide what help will be useful.
"She must daily massage her face to stimulate nerve growth and expose her scarring to infra-red beam treatment for five minutes," VOM said. "Neuro-medicine therapy and skin salves must also be administrated on a daily basis."
Help from a plastic surgeon reduced the scarring, which boosted her morale, officials said.
VOM sources in Indonesia said the attack happened as the four girls were walking through a cocoa plantation on their way to a private Christian high school in Posa Kota subdistrict.
Noviana, now 16, and Theresia Morangke, 15, Yarni Sambue, 15, and Alfita Poliwo, 17, were ambushed by six masked Islamic terrorists, who decapitated the three. Noviana survived because the sword slash did not make a direct connection and she ran away bleeding.
Authorities reported the heads of the three girls were found in bags on the steps of a church and along a road, carrying a message, "We will murder 100 more Christian teenagers and their heads will be presented as presents."
The Pakistan Christian Post reported that Noviana recalled streaming with blood.
"All I could do was pray to Jesus for his help,' she said.
The report said Muslim-Christian violence killed almost 1000 people on Sulawesi between 2000 and 2002, and a peace agreement has not halted the bombings, shootings and other attacks on Christians near Poso.
Voice of the Martyrs was launched by Pastor Richard Wurmbrand, who spent more than a decade in a prison for his Christian faith, and later wrote, "Tortured for Christ."
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Well I suppose "God Save the Qeen" and "In God we Trust" are just after all is said and done merely symbols without power or effect, but I don't really believe that. What I think is that although Bush was advised against and did throw out the referrence to "crusade" penned for him by young Mr. Frum, that anyone who thinks that the "system" of democarcy that provides schools and libraries, hockey arenas and baseball diamonds where people stand and recite their allegiance to God and sing a prayer for God to protect their Monarch isn't really a secular state at all in the final analysis.
I mention this only because "God" is defined by religion according to its principles and as notion, it is something that is learned...i.e. it isn't something occurring spontaneously in nature.
To pledge and pray to god is to exercise a belief and in exercising a belief, the tenets and dogma of that belief must necessarily accompany the practice.
If your "belief" informs you that all others who don't believe what you believe and don't practice what you believe are justifiably then bombed in large numbers and poisoned by your military, it seems to me you're taking a position that it is in fact YOUR belief that has the right to exterminate in the name of God and not just "THEM".
To pledge and pray to god is to exercise a belief and in exercising a belief, the tenets and dogma of that belief must necessarily accompany the practice.
If your "belief" informs you that all others who don't believe what you believe and don't practice what you believe are justifiably then bombed in large numbers and poisoned by your military, it seems to me you're taking a position that it is in fact YOUR belief that has the right to exterminate in the name of God and not just "THEM".
sickening
The thing is this.... If that was a militant Christian group (NOT A DEMOCRATIC NATION BTW ) all other Christian organizations would condemn then and distance themselves from this group. I don't ever remember the Pope telling the North Ireland Catholics to kill the English as an example.
But when something like the above story happens hoards of Muslim groups and Iman's come out praising the actions, while moderate Muslims say nothing.. therein is the difference!!
The thing is this.... If that was a militant Christian group (NOT A DEMOCRATIC NATION BTW ) all other Christian organizations would condemn then and distance themselves from this group. I don't ever remember the Pope telling the North Ireland Catholics to kill the English as an example.
But when something like the above story happens hoards of Muslim groups and Iman's come out praising the actions, while moderate Muslims say nothing.. therein is the difference!!
When was the last time you heard Public singing of God Save the Queen??? I don't live in the U.S. stop mixing up the to nations please!!
so whatsup with that Mickey
One one thread you say Muslims are quite right to attack and kill others, then on another thread (about Christain values I may add you write this??
"I believe people are basically, fundamentally "good", although the philosophy of morality requries relativism and justification in some instances. Their actions won't prevent another terrible incident and their actions will never bring their dead loved-ones back to life, but he essence of "good" in not embracing hatred and seeking vengence are two of the "good" expressions of their belief system.
Not all people are haters and murderers or terrorists, just some, and it is our responsibility as "good" people to address these issues and work to establish peace among all people instead of rallying to war and dismissing our own culpability."
One one thread you say Muslims are quite right to attack and kill others, then on another thread (about Christain values I may add you write this??
"I believe people are basically, fundamentally "good", although the philosophy of morality requries relativism and justification in some instances. Their actions won't prevent another terrible incident and their actions will never bring their dead loved-ones back to life, but he essence of "good" in not embracing hatred and seeking vengence are two of the "good" expressions of their belief system.
Not all people are haters and murderers or terrorists, just some, and it is our responsibility as "good" people to address these issues and work to establish peace among all people instead of rallying to war and dismissing our own culpability."
I never said Muslims were any more correct to attack and kill people than are Christians or any other individual for anything other than self-preservation. If you could refresh my memory, when was the last time an Iraqi or Iranian attack was prosecuted on Canadian soil? When was the last time we all felt such great justification for murdering children in their beds (other than the IRA of course) and when was the last time that any North American city or village was bombed burned, bulldozed into piles of rubble and the political party, the religious leaders and innocents of all ages and sexes were targetted by Moslems for extermination?
Defend yourself against the most powerful war machine in the world with your bare fists and see what you get....
We have terrorism and we have the slaughter of innocent Amish children in this society becasue we refuse to believe that we all share in the responsibility for how the future is created.
I think a little differently Ottawabill and I can synthesize the notion of defending ones children and family with the useless wanton slaughter of people who have harmed no one and have never threatened anyone and I can decide which action merits criticism and which doesn't.
What I won't do is assess every Middle Eastern or every Amish person a potential terrorist and subject to the caprices of a people who've only ever exhibited a flawed and prejudiced sense of justice.
A sense of justice that actively compels homophobia, gender discrimination and the superiority of the male....not Islam by the way but Catholicism.
Defend yourself against the most powerful war machine in the world with your bare fists and see what you get....
We have terrorism and we have the slaughter of innocent Amish children in this society becasue we refuse to believe that we all share in the responsibility for how the future is created.
I think a little differently Ottawabill and I can synthesize the notion of defending ones children and family with the useless wanton slaughter of people who have harmed no one and have never threatened anyone and I can decide which action merits criticism and which doesn't.
What I won't do is assess every Middle Eastern or every Amish person a potential terrorist and subject to the caprices of a people who've only ever exhibited a flawed and prejudiced sense of justice.
A sense of justice that actively compels homophobia, gender discrimination and the superiority of the male....not Islam by the way but Catholicism.
Mikeydb your hatred for the US and Bush screams with every post, I'm not interested in your hate. I want an open and frank conversation based on "Extreme Islam". Your arguments are childish, comparing Modern day Christianity with Extreme Islam is ludicrious.
Mikey wrote: I think a little differently Ottawabill and I can synthesize the notion of defending ones children and family with the useless wanton slaughter of people who have harmed no one and have never threatened anyone and I can decide which action merits criticism and which doesn't.
What are you talking about? Who's slaughtering whom? Dafar Muslim slaughtering Christians and Muslims? Palestinian's killing and blowing up Jews? Christians being slaughtered in Muslim countries by Extremist?
Mikey wrote: I think a little differently Ottawabill and I can synthesize the notion of defending ones children and family with the useless wanton slaughter of people who have harmed no one and have never threatened anyone and I can decide which action merits criticism and which doesn't.
What are you talking about? Who's slaughtering whom? Dafar Muslim slaughtering Christians and Muslims? Palestinian's killing and blowing up Jews? Christians being slaughtered in Muslim countries by Extremist?
We never had much good to say about Nazi Germany either, silence wasn't the best option there. I prefer truth to a wishy-washy feel good approach.