The Welfare Spending Chart You Won’t Want to See

captain morgan

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Part of my personal nature is to play 'devil's advocate' so to speak (can drive my friends who are looking for sympathy a bit nuts because I'm always trying to explain/understand the pov of whomever they're ticked off at sometimes) but when it comes to political issues I feel it is very important to truly understand both sides of an issue. Essentially we are all working towards the same goal in the end (the betterment and prosperity of our society), it is how we approach it that differs.

Based on the sliver of (complete) info that is provided by the politicos, a Devil's Advocate position is necessary in order to generate a more complete understanding of the macro view.

I like the comment about working towards the same goal(s)... The interesting part is analyzing the different paths that are suggested in terms of actually getting there

The often times rabid steadfast idealism of the minority (and while very, very vocal I do believe they are a minority) completely disregards the complexities within society. I often liken our society to vast tapestry, you pull on one thread and you never really know what you will end up unraveling. Which is why thought needs to placed behind political ideas like "cut taxes/cut spending" or vice versa. But as you've said, they voters don't seem to take the time to understand and as such buy into the hype of the candidates marketing ploy.

'The squeaky wheel gets the grease syndrome'.

Portions of the electorate 'get it' in terms of understanding how a block vote (or threat thereof) can influence the overall scenario to the benefit of the few at the expense of the many... Under those circumstances, the spineless politicians fold like a cheap suit in order to not offend an organized element of the electorate

The Bloc Quebecois is an excellent example of such

I would wholly support more privatization of 'government' services because government shouldn't be running anything. People have a really irrational fear of the word 'privatization' though, it's a really hard sell.

I can't agree more.

An interesting situation revolves around gvt run utilities.... Some provinces (I can speak for AB) have deregulated things like electricity and liquor and pawned them off to the private sector... The cost of electricity went up as an expression of the true costs of generating and distributing it... Many were (and still are) upset with this and claim that corps are profiting at their expense, while never thinking that the tax base was actually subsidizing the entire business; all the while paying an additional amount for the gvt to administer the provision of the service.

Interestingly enough, when the AB gvt deregulated the booze industry - prices actually dropped on booze, BUT the kicker is that any private liquor outlet MUST buy their product from the gvt's central distribution facility/department.

This is the way that it should be.... The best of both worlds
 

SLM

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Based on the sliver of (complete) info that is provided by the politicos, a Devil's Advocate position is necessary in order to generate a more complete understanding of the macro view.

We should always be questioning our politicians, their platforms, their ideas, their motivations. Always. Partisan thinking gets in the way of that. If anything I tend to be harsher on those whom I do support, because I expect them to be accountable to me. I want to know that the platform is sound, that it's practical and the only way in which to do that is to play Devil's Advocate and try to poke holes in it.

I like the comment about working towards the same goal(s)... The interesting part is analyzing the different paths that are suggested in terms of actually getting there
It's true when you really stop and think about it and the differences are fascinating. You know there are a few members on here where I've noted they and I have a tendency to agree on the end result of an issue or topic, yet we approach it from completely different angles. That is fascinating to me because that really speaks to broadening my horizons and learning to understand my own rationale and reasoning a little better. So if you really step back and look at the big picture, we should be able to do the same thing and gain the same benefit (greater understanding) from the political process as well.

'The squeaky wheel gets the grease syndrome'
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Portions of the electorate 'get it' in terms of understanding how a block vote (or threat thereof) can influence the overall scenario to the benefit of the few at the expense of the many... Under those circumstances, the spineless politicians fold like a cheap suit in order to not offend an organized element of the electorate

The Bloc Quebecois is an excellent example of such
I agree with that. And at the same time I believe that the partisan rhetoric and thinking obscures the issues with the majority of voters who really don't give a damn about that kind of idealism (kind of like when Yoko broke up the Beatles, it wasn't that the rest of the band hated her, they just didn't love her as much as John did). So that also plays a role in not only keeping us divided but leaves the door open for those like the Bloc Quebecois to wield so much influence over us all.



I can't agree more.

An interesting situation revolves around gvt run utilities.... Some provinces (I can speak for AB) have deregulated things like electricity and liquor and pawned them off to the private sector... The cost of electricity went up as an expression of the true costs of generating and distributing it... Many were (and still are) upset with this and claim that corps are profiting at their expense, while never thinking that the tax base was actually subsidizing the entire business; all the while paying an additional amount for the gvt to administer the provision of the service.

Interestingly enough, when the AB gvt deregulated the booze industry - prices actually dropped on booze, BUT the kicker is that any private liquor outlet MUST buy their product from the gvt's central distribution facility/department.

This is the way that it should be.... The best of both worlds
There is no reason why, not unlike the deregulated booze industry in AB, the government (and thereby the "people") cannot maintain some sense of control through legislation whilst leaving the details of running services to private enterprise. There are some amazing entrepreneurial minds out there who can find a way to provide a mandated service (like healthcare for example) in an efficient and cost effective manner.
 

JLM

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I'm getting to wondering if the masses (the top 80% on the economic scale) aren't living too high on the hog!
 

Locutus

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Number Of Americans On Food Stamps Jumps By Over 600K In September To New All-Time High…



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EagleSmack

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Actually sad in a lot of ways. I've always regarded welfare as a last resort after people have tried every other means to get by, but having said that the ones who genuinely need should receive enough to live with a semblance of decency. Perhaps the people in charge of distributing welfare payments in Canada can learn something from the U.S. I doubt if our costs are more than 1/3 of what their's are!

You actually think Canada can learn something from the US as far as welfare. I agree... don't do what we do.

The semblence of decency is to have everything that a middle class family has without having to work at all for it.
 

JLM

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You actually think Canada can learn something from the US as far as welfare. I agree... don't do what we do.

The semblence of decency is to have everything that a middle class family has without having to work at all for it.

For the majority I agree, but there are some who either temporarily or permanently can't work. With a little imagination I think improvement could be made.