The Spanish have no greater claim to Gib than they do on Portugal after Brexit

[Serryah]

The USA existed before the British arrived, did it?

Are you sure?

I was taught at school that the USA and Canada exist only because they were created by the British Empire. That those two nations exist thanks to the British Empire.

Well what you were 'taught' was only partial truth.

The USA and Canada existed long before the Brits arrived.

As Tecumsehsbones said, if you discount the Natives, the Spanish, the French, hell, even the Vikings had settlements before the Brits ever showed up. And then there's the possible links to Asia...

Sorry, Britain doesn't have the right to claim sole 'ownership' to NA.

I'm right and you know it. It'S just simple school history.

Except you're not and your school history is incomplete.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Well what you were 'taught' was only partial truth.
The USA and Canada existed long before the Brits arrived.
As Tecumsehsbones said, if you discount the Natives, the Spanish, the French, hell, even the Vikings had settlements before the Brits ever showed up. And then there's the possible links to Asia...
Sorry, Britain doesn't have the right to claim sole 'ownership' to NA.



Except you're not and your school history is incomplete.

Meh, he's an idiot.

St. Augustine, in what is now Florida, was established in 1565.

Royal New France was established in what is now Nova Scotia in 1604.

Jamestown, the first British settlement (in what is now Virginia), was in 1607.

So, both the Spanish and the French had permanent settlements in North America before the British arrived.

Blackshirt is a moron.

 

[Serryah]

Meh, he's an idiot.

St. Augustine, in what is now Florida, was established in 1565.

Royal New France was established in what is now Nova Scotia in 1604.

Jamestown, the first British settlement (in what is now Virginia), was in 1607.

So, both the Spanish and the French had permanent settlements in North America before the British arrived.

Blackshirt is a moron.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_North_American_settlements_by_year_of_foundation


Yeah, NA was a total wasteland devoid of anyone until the Brits showed.



Portugal

 

[Blackleaf]

Well what you were 'taught' was only partial truth.

The USA and Canada existed long before the Brits arrived.

No, they didn't. The USA only came into being in 1776 and would never have existed were it not for the wonderful British Empire.

Canada, Australia, New Zealand and many other countries also owe their existences to it.

 

[Serryah]

No, they didn't. The USA only came into being in 1776 and would never have existed were it not for the wonderful British Empire.

Canada, Australia, New Zealand and many other countries also owe their existences to it.

Ah, I see.

It's not the discovery of the land but the actual 'building of a nation' BS you're going by. Specifically, how the Brits 'won' it all cause they're the only ones that matter.

In a way you are right; if the Brits hadn't shown up things would be different overall. Likely in Canada we'd be speaking more French, and same with parts of the US. That and Spanish. So Canada and the US wouldn't exist like we do now.

But the Brits were far from wonderful. Of the three superpowers of the time, the French actually were somewhat better. The English and Spanish were too into being gloryhunters to give a crap about anything. The French at least dealt with the Native Tribes a little better than the spoiled Brits and Spanish.

 

[Blackleaf]

Ah, I see.
It's not the discovery of the land but the actual 'building of a nation' BS you're going by. Specifically, how the Brits 'won' it all cause they're the only ones that matter.
In a way you are right; if the Brits hadn't shown up things would be different overall. Likely in Canada we'd be speaking more French, and same with parts of the US. That and Spanish. So Canada and the US wouldn't exist like we do now.
But the Brits were far from wonderful. Of the three superpowers of the time, the French actually were somewhat better. The English and Spanish were too into being gloryhunters to give a crap about anything. The French at least dealt with the Native Tribes a little better than the spoiled Brits and Spanish.

Just because you don't like the idea that Canada wouldn't exist were it not for the British Empire and you are therefore in a state of denial about it does not make it untrue. It's still as true as it was when it first happened.

As for the French, had Canada been a mainly French colony rather than a mainly British one your economic status and per capita wealth would now be on a par with Niger and most other former French colonies.

 

[Serryah]

Just because you don't like the idea that Canada wouldn't exist were it not for the British Empire and you are therefore in a state of denial about it does not make it untrue. It's still as true as it was when it first happened.

As for the French, had Canada been a mainly French colony rather than a mainly British one your economic status and per capita wealth would now be on a par with Niger and most other former French colonies.

Which again shows you don't know jack about Canadian history.

Not surprising, considering.

Canada, as it is now, would not exist without the British, no. I admit that fully.

That being said, the Brits did not "discover" Canada. Others did, they were just another body in a line of bodies that found us, settled and in their case, stayed and conquered.

 

[Blackleaf]

Which again shows you don't know jack about Canadian history.

It's actually you who doesn't know about it.

Canada, as it is now, would not exist without the British, no. I admit that fully.

Canada - the nation of Canada - owes its existence to the British Empire. That's why all Canadians should be grateful to that great empire.

 

[DaSleeper]

Can't teach a stupid bloke anything...............

 

[Blackleaf]

Can't teach a stupid bloke anything...............