The Sickness of Canadian Anti-Americanism

hermanntrude

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well i'd criticise any electorate since their IQ is undoubtedly about 50% below average, which means there are some stupid votes made, based on things like colour of the skin, or the sound of someone's name. And even stupider there are those who don't vote at all. It's a shame that bush got voted in, and whether or not it was rigged (please don't start discussing that again now) it would have been a lot harder to ignore if it had been a clearer vote. I suspect much of the american electorate has learned it's lesson. we'll see i suppose
 

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well i'd criticise any electorate since their IQ is undoubtedly about 50% below average, which means there are some stupid votes made, based on things like colour of the skin, or the sound of someone's name. And even stupider there are those who don't vote at all. It's a shame that bush got voted in, and whether or not it was rigged (please don't start discussing that again now) it would have been a lot harder to ignore if it had been a clearer vote. I suspect much of the american electorate has learned it's lesson. we'll see i suppose
Why not disciss the possiblity of impropriety in the voting systems?

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/


I say it was a sham, riggered is an understatement.
 

darkbeaver

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I don't know how people will take this statement without being angry with me...but here goes....

Over the years I have come to realize much anti-Americanism voiced, written, and demonstrated by the people in Canada has become strangely - a unifying force - a togetherness for Canadians to unite together "against" - a patriotic energizing motive for Canadians to feel proud of their nation, to set aside their intra-national provincial scrapes and become a one-nation, working together despite this perceived enemy force to the south.

At the expense of the people in the U.S. Canada has found a way to stay together across the vast landscape, struggling with a paucity of population which could drive that great nation with more momentum.

Wars unify nations and the U.S. has had plenty.... but because Canada is in an anti-war, globalization modality in its development for the future, it is rational to see why Canadians must have something to tie them together in commonality.....even to the point of losing some of their independence by
becoming more European again... which seems rather a step back in time.... but not my decision.

Unfortunately it has become the U.S. which apparently represents many of the philosophies Canada and its government wish to shed in order to preserve their nation in peace and productivity. The various reasons people list as their "dislikes" against the U.S. are almost sad to me, as they cast about for the right words to express and vent against the huge noisy "arrogant" group to the south.

I have no idea if successful accomplishment of goals through imagined "competitive anger" towards a shared border nation is going to work..... too much energy is expended on looking for negatives instead of taking advantage of all the positives Canada stands to gain by sharing with the U.S.

If Canada chooses further separation, focusing future growth east and west across the seas..... my good wishes go along with it.... and the U.S. has lost a long time friend and partner forever.

Still...the U.S. has no aggressive intention toward Canada or Canadians in any way.... but is reviled because it chose another path of development...which is Canada's right too. The U.S. has never expected nor demanded of Canada any more than it has offered to give and share, especially in battle and other matters of the most consequence to a nation trying to exist under a peaceful flag.

NATO exercsises by the U.S. Naval fleet have become a recent cry of "spying trying to take over the northern trading coast" .... the latest fearmongering by the anxiety driven hordes.... when NATO is and has been one of the few successful ventures the military of both nations conduct in tandem.

My constant question over the years has always been: What has the U.S. done to Canada?

The lame answers I get with the problems of trade which are miniscule when compared to the profits and success of the trade we never consider because there are no glitches....takes me by surprise .... because Canadians seem to ignore all of the good the nations share and seek to resurrect the "bad"
over and over with the same old worn out snipe.

The great treck to the south by the snowbirds here often makes me smile because there are no grand press or media stories about how unfaithful the Canadians are - those who seek a bit of sun and escape from the cold and snow.... who spread out like little birds across the southern landscape doing their
part to promote peace and goodwill and discovering how similar everyone is..... friendships to be made for life....another annual exercise in peace which is roundly ignored by the vocalists.

Canadians are proud people, and the defeating identifier which is used more often when Americans seem to be present comes out: We are not Americans...is in fact a most impotent of all statements, the saddest, the most short-sighted, the seeking to blame, and truly un-Canadian.

I am Canadian is sufficient, enough, and the only true and valid statement from a wholly proud people.

I'm not angry with you Curiosity, I feel very sad for you though. Wars do not unify nations, they destroy nations. We have nothing to gain by embracing impirialism except the hate and scorn of the world.:wave:
 

darkbeaver

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Canada is based on anti-Americanism. Without anti-Americanism -- as one author has quipped -- Canada would cease to exist.

What an incredibly stupid statement. I cannot believe that anyone can debase themselves in such a manner as to write something this stupid. How moronic must it be for anyone to either say it or believe it.

Canada will cease to exist without hatred for the USA?

Come on, folks. How can anyone sit there and give this idiocy any thought?

Just because the majority of Canadians oppose Bush's stupid war, does this constitute some form of grevious sin as this moronic writer says? The vast MAJORITY of Americans also oppose that stupid war -- what does make us? America haters??? The fact remains that the majority of the world's population, like that of the USA and Canada, ALSO opposes Bush's war. How the hell does that 'prove' the idiotic idea that opposing Bush constitutes hatred for the USA?

I knew many Canadians in my many years in NYC, and there are a great many Canadians here in Minnesota. The vast majority love the USA and report that this is the consensus back in their homes. That's the true picture of Canadian attitude towards the States.

Glasov's article ranks as one of the most stupid writings I have ever seen. I won't address its other incredibly stupid ideas because it's not worth the time to do so. Let's hope that we never see the likes of this worthless and scatological garbage on this forum again.


It"s a sad fact Gopher, Americans are against this destruction I know it and you know it, but still it's going to happen. It truely is an example of the gutless yellow quizzling journalism more and more traded as wisdom.:wave:
 

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If we considered countries to be as like religious beliefs, then there are no differences in thoughts about each others governments.
There are prejudices on both sides.
What would unite the countries is the thoughts concerning our children. What can we build for them so that they would not be like us, but a better people.

We are selfish when we think of our own good and not the good of the future generations.

What can we do to improve the present situation, to where it will be conducive to the unity and peace of our children, children's children?

I am an American, and even though I have some things I don't like, I still support it for here is where I was placed in.

I will first use the attributes instilled in me by God, and then attribute those to my daily living, and to my government.

I will stand up for what I feel is right, and if need be, fight to make changes through legislation for the betterment of my country.

We are neighbors and should see others as brothers or sisters, depending on point of view.

I have never been to Canada, and I am sure that I would find wonderful, God fearing, kind people there whose hearts are not selfish .

There will always be exceptions.

Peace from an Hispanic American>>>AJ:love9:
 

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Beaver

You feel sorry for me?

I'd rather eat glass than think as you do.

Wars do unify nations - when the great depression was upon the U.S. and they were called to fight
Europe and Japan the country immediately came together in a common cause. Both World Wars united the U.S. as it had never been joined before.

There was no bickering sitting around the beer bottles talking of left and right... people were happy to help in the cause the country chose to enter (late albeit as many Canadians will remind us)....

Then the flower children descended upon the nation - these are not patriotic people and are usually so stoned they have no affiliation other than to their own narcisstic needs ..... and during VietNam the "I hate war" became their stupid mantra while our nation donated tens of thousands of lives evermore changed or lost for the war.....They see war as some Hollywood setting where the "good guys" win and the "bad guys are slaughtered"... that is as shallow as one can get...these anti-war creeps who know nothing except where their next hit is coming from.

Iraq has become a second VietNam and we see again those non-patriots chanting their silly messages....caring only for themselves and their lives of comfort.

These are the people who will bring the U.S. to its knees....the lotus children who expect much and contribute nothing.

What have you done for any of your people Beaver? For your country? For your town? Other than sit on a computer and gripe against your nation... well done.

So far I've given eight relatives in WWII, my husband, my uncle, my nephew and my two stepsons..... anything else?
 
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I'm not going to defend Beve or his point of view...he can do that himself if he chooses.

What I will take you to task for however is implying somehow that the death of 60,000 Americans in Vietnam grants America the right to behave the way it has. America (neither the people of America nor Nixon, Johnson or Ford) had any real understanding of what was happening in South and North Vietnam. The historical record clearly shows that the people of Vietnam have been at war with and resisted the Chinese for a thousand years. Similarly the historical record demonstrates that the people of South Vietnam had not aligned themseves with the Soviet Union...and if they had that's still not license for any nation France or the United States to thwart by any means military or otherwise.

In Nicaragua and Panama, in Haiti and the Dominican Republic, in Columbia and several other South American nations, the United States has proscecuted assasination attempts, over-throws and economic bullying to unseat some particularly unsympathetic regime. While proscecuting its Military Industrial Complex ..agenda, it has established financed and militarily supported some of the bloodiest regimes the world has ever seen.

You know or should know that I have a special soft-spot in my heart for your kindness, but we'll have to disagree on this issue I'm afraid.

With Respect Mikey
 

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This was right around the time Jean Chretien asked Bush to show him the proof about WMD's in Iraq, the purpose for a proposed allied invasion. Canadians were ready to support the Iraq war if it could be established there was a need for it. Instead there was a hard deadline to war, "you're either with us or against us" statements, and unfortunately no evidence of the need. It wasn't a matter of being pro or anti American. Canadians didn't want to invade a country on hearsay and innuendo knowing the consequences of doing so, but the right wing press wanted this to be a "for or against" proposition. The American government was in full scale smear and fear for its own political gain and most other nations could see through the facade.
 

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That's OK MikeyDB

I am not asking for complaince or agreement - I am merely stating my opinion. As is my right to have an opinion - I expect others to enjoy that right and certainly not to apologize to me nor to temper their anger or outrage or argument in light of what I have written.

I happen to agree with Dr. Glazov - the points of which most Canadians get up in arms over - they don't like criticism of their own behavior, but are so quick to point out errors in their neighbor to the south.

I don't know who captured the Canadian mind.... but it's on vacation somewhere else....Cuba maybe.
Like Glazov - we wonder where the hell Canadians have gone to....the Canadians we know.

The frailty and denial of factual personal examination by self-identification with another nation is so far out of the ballpark I am amazed everyone falls for it and even fights for the veracity of their statements of blame.

Nobody answers the key question: What did the U.S. do to you?
 

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This was right around the time Jean Chretien asked Bush to show him the proof about WMD's in Iraq, the purpose for a proposed allied invasion. Canadians were ready to support the Iraq war if it could be established there was a need for it. Instead there was a hard deadline to war, "you're either with us or against us" statements, and unfortunately no evidence of the need. It wasn't a matter of being pro or anti American. Canadians didn't want to invade a country on hearsay and innuendo knowing the consequences of doing so, but the right wing press wanted this to be a "for or against" proposition. The American government was in full scale smear and fear for its own political gain and most other nations could see through the facade.
Hey Kreskin, good to hear you again.

I couldn't agree more, I'm glad that we had the strength to oppose entrence in to the Iraq debocle, but it would have been nice to have a leader that didn't say...


That was just a tad embarrassing. Don't you think. Actually IMHO, his whole term was an emberrasment.

It is one thing to dissagree with our largest trading partner and first cousin, but does it have to be done so snidely and with such self righteous, pompouys attitude?
 

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No I don't think that was embarrassing at all. He happened to be absolutely correct and good for him to have the guts. We should thank our lucky stars it wasn't Harper who was faced with the situation. He would've signed on in an instant without asking a question. Bush had an agenda and his agenda was the only thing that mattered, and it meant alot of people would need to be killed for it. Expecting everyone to sign on was absoloute insansity.
Hey Kreskin, good to hear you again.

I couldn't agree more, I'm glad that we had the strength to oppose entrence in to the Iraq debocle, but it would have been nice to have a leader that didn't say...


That was just a tad embarrassing. Don't you think. Actually IMHO, his whole term was an emberrasment.

It is one thing to dissagree with our largest trading partner and first cousin, but does it have to be done so snidely and with such self righteous, pompouys attitude?
 

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No I don't think that was embarrassing at all. He happened to be absolutely correct and good for him to have the guts. We should thank our lucky stars it wasn't Harper who was faced with the situation. He would've signed on in an instant without asking a question. Bush had an agenda and his agenda was the only thing that mattered, and it meant alot of people would need to be killed for it. Expecting everyone to sign on was absoloute insansity.
I agree Harpy would have sold our Army boys down that oily river in a heart beat. But I can not agree with you on the Cretien bumbling boobery proof comment. The man was a hapless hack and a crook. An emberrasment to the Nation in totality, period.
 

darkbeaver

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Beaver

You feel sorry for me?

I'd rather eat glass than think as you do.

Wars do unify nations - when the great depression was upon the U.S. and they were called to fight
Europe and Japan the country immediately came together in a common cause. Both World Wars united the U.S. as it had never been joined before.

There was no bickering sitting around the beer bottles talking of left and right... people were happy to help in the cause the country chose to enter (late albeit as many Canadians will remind us)....

Then the flower children descended upon the nation - these are not patriotic people and are usually so stoned they have no affiliation other than to their own narcisstic needs ..... and during VietNam the "I hate war" became their stupid mantra while our nation donated tens of thousands of lives evermore changed or lost for the war.....They see war as some Hollywood setting where the "good guys" win and the "bad guys are slaughtered"... that is as shallow as one can get...these anti-war creeps who know nothing except where their next hit is coming from.

Iraq has become a second VietNam and we see again those non-patriots chanting their silly messages....caring only for themselves and their lives of comfort.

These are the people who will bring the U.S. to its knees....the lotus children who expect much and contribute nothing.

What have you done for any of your people Beaver? For your country? For your town? Other than sit on a computer and gripe against your nation... well done.

So far I've given eight relatives in WWII, my husband, my uncle, my nephew and my two stepsons..... anything else?


Curiosity, one of the four horsemen of the apocalypse rides a horse called war, argue with him.He
will gladly champion for you. The dead can't speak, you only hope they agree with you.:wave:
 

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What did the U.S. do to you?

If you could provide me with a breakdown of the number of invasions, assisination, juntas coups regime-changes and support for bloody dictatorships established funded and militarily supported by Russia, France, anyone else since the end of WWII I'd be happy to review it. It is the United States that is behind the greater majority of violence and warfare all over this little orb. Whether we like it or not and whether we "support" American administrations that bring death and destruction to so many or not, we are expected by peole like you to subvert our own moral sense in the name of America's endeavors. That's arrogant at a minimum and hubris to embrace the notion that the people of America led by an administration that actively works to hide their treachery to feel that because our nations enjoy a unique interrelationship in all of the world that we would or should automatically climb aboard the American engine of Econo-Imperialism.

You wrote a while ago..."Isn't Canada an independent nation...." and yes we are an independent nation as far as our own anthem and flag is concerned but we are for better and sometimes unfortunately for worse married to the United States of America.

America works to de-Canadianize...Canadians and you're doing exactly the same thing when you posit the moral correctness of waging wars on the basis of either economics or the nearly non-functional democracy the United States has become.

There's no bureau of Americanization on Pensylvania Avenue that I'm aware of, but he lies that your government tell your own people are the lies Canadians are faced with having to consider everytime America rattles it's sabres and calls out the Marines.

The United States has lied to us, Free Trade...except when your industry doesn't like the bottom line that agreement produces...

The United States has both intentionally and inadvertantly through its media and through Cellucci and other puppets of the Carlyle Group pressured Canadians into spending millions on everything from border security to missile defense initiatives...

I could go on, but the over arching thing that America has done to Canada is to develop the same kind of paternal dependency that our own government has decided is appropriate for natives and the poor.

America says one thing then turns around and does another...time and time again.

This does not build a trusting relationship.
 

Kreskin

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I agree Harpy would have sold our Army boys down that oily river in a heart beat. But I can not agree with you on the Cretien bumbling boobery proof comment. The man was a hapless hack and a crook. An emberrasment to the Nation in totality, period.

But that just shifts the focus away from what was important. He made a good decision and he stuck to his guns.
 

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But that just shifts the focus away from what was important. He made a good decision and he stuck to his guns.
I won't dispute that, but it hardly, well maybe it does particial make him a tad more acceptable.

Ya I guess I can forgive him all his emberrassing acts, for keeping us out of Iraq, but it won't absolve him of the corruption he left as a stain on our flag.