The sea and the pearls.

[eanassir]

More precious jewels of the Quran
The first soora or chapter in the book of the Quran: the keysoora or keychapter.

You take this soora with you in the afterlife and in the Judgment; if you recite it, I think it may cause your prosperity, according to God's generosity.

It is recited in many situations like marriage, birth of child, death, and is read at the beginning of any proposal or project and any deal in commerce or government, and read in all the bowings of the daily prayer.

It is the summary of all the Glorious Quran, and the prayers cannot be accomplished unless by reading this soora or chapter.

It increases the provision, and leads to much blessing, and forgiveness of sins, according to God's forgiveness and mercy to the monotheists and believers.

بِسْمِ اللّهِالرَّحْمـَنِالرَّحِيمِ .الْحَمْدُ للّهِ رَبِّالْعَالَمِينَ .الرَّحْمـنِالرَّحِيمِ .مَـالِكِ يَوْمِالدِّينِ .إِيَّاكَ نَعْبُدُوإِيَّاكَ نَسْتَعِينُ .اهدِنَــــا الصِّرَاطَالمُستَقِيمَ . صِرَاطَ الَّذِينَ أَنعَمتَعَلَيهِمْ غَيرِ المَغضُوبِ عَلَيهِمْ وَلاَالضَّالِّينَ​

The explanation:
(In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

Praise be to God, the Lord of the worlds.

Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

Master of the Day of Judgment.

You [alone] we worship; and You [alone] we ask for help.

Show us the standard way [of monotheism in the life of the World, which will lead us to the way of Paradise in the afterlife.]

The way [followed] by those [monotheists: Paradise people] on whom You have been Gracious and Bounteous,
not [the way] of those [Jews] with whom You have been angry,
nor [the way] of those [Christians] who have gone astray!)
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This soora or chapter is like what man says to a mighty king or monarch, and how he submits and humbles himself before such king [: God]

At the start, he commences by celebrating and glorifying this monarch or king [: God].

Then he says to Him, that he only seeks His help and submits himself to Him alone.

Then he prays God to save and bestow on him the prosperity of Paradise together with the righteous people.

 

[eanassir]

Another valuable pearl:
Soora or chapter 112:​

This soora was revealed in refuting Christians in their claim that there are a son, a father and a holy ghost, and that Jesus was crucified, then – the third day – God came down from heaven and the spirit of God united with the body of the Christ, and from this union the holy ghost issued.​

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم .قُلْ هُوَ اللَّهُ أَحَدٌ .اللَّهُ الصَّمَدُ . لَمْ يَلِدْ وَلَمْ يُولَدْ . وَلَمْ يَكُن لَّهُ كُفُوًا أَحَدٌ​

The explanation:​

In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.​

Say [O Mohammed to those Christians who believe in the Trinity]:
"He is God, One [but not three whom you claim to be one.]"​

"God is Eternal [and Unchangeable.]" [So He does not come down from His throne and unite with the body of Jesus or anyone else.]​

"Who never begot [anyone], nor was He ever begotten."​

"And none [of creatures: neither Jesus nor anyone else] is equivalent to Him [in managing the universe.]"​

 

[eanassir]

The ayat at the end of soora or chapter 59: 22-24 speak about God and His attributes, and are among the most precious jewels of the Glorious Quran:​

هُوَ اللَّهُ الَّذِي لَا إِلَهَ إِلَّا هُوَ عَالِمُ الْغَيْبِ وَالشَّهَادَةِ هُوَ الرَّحْمَنُ الرَّحِيمُ . هُوَ اللَّهُ الَّذِي لَا إِلَهَ إِلَّا هُوَ الْمَلِكُ الْقُدُّوسُ السَّلَامُ الْمُؤْمِنُ الْمُهَيْمِنُ الْعَزِيزُ الْجَبَّارُ الْمُتَكَبِّرُ سُبْحَانَ اللَّهِ عَمَّا يُشْرِكُونَ . هُوَ اللَّهُ الْخَالِقُ الْبَارِئُ الْمُصَوِّرُ لَهُ الْأَسْمَاء الْحُسْنَى يُسَبِّحُ لَهُ مَا فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ وَهُوَ الْعَزِيزُ الْحَكِيمُ​

The explanation:
(He is God; there is no god [to be worshipped in the universe] but He. ​

He is the All-Knowing of all that is absent [: invisible and unknown to you], and all that is present [: visible and known to you]; ​

He is the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.​

He is God; there is no god but He:
the Sovereign Lord,
the Sanctified [by His angels],
the All-Peaceable,
the Believer [in Himself],
the Dominant [over His creatures],
the Almighty,
the Compeller [of unbelievers to the Fire],
the Most Sublime [above His servants.]
Celebrated be God above all that they associate [with Him.]​

He is God;
the Creator [of all the creation],
the Savior [of His loyal servants],
the Fashioner [of bodies inside wombs.]
His are the Names Most Beautiful.
All that is in the heavens and the earth glorify Him,
and He is the All-Mighty,
the Most Wise.)​

 

[Scott Free]

How can you be both the "All-Peaceable" and the "Dominate?" The one excludes the other.

How can you be a believer and almighty at the same time? If he needs to believe in himself then he isn't all powerful.

How can he be "All-Peaceable" yet also "the Compeller?"

How can he be the most merciful yet be the "Compeller [of unbelievers to the fire]?" I am even more merciful than that!! I would never cosign my most hated enemy to hell fire forever... yet this creature claims to be merciful!!! The most merciful even!?!?!?!?! LMAO, I call BS!

This Islam stuff is way too full of contradictions and downright impossibilities.

Obviously Muhammad is talking through his @$$.

 

[eanassir]

The ayat 59: 22-24 mentioned in my previous post include some words that I have translated in this way according to my understanding of the interpretation and depending on some dictionaries.​

I have now to give the interpretation of such words according to the late Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly:​

These ayat were revealed; because the idolaters of Mecca said: there is no difference between their gods and idols on one hand and between God on the other hand;
therefore these ayat were revealed to explain the great difference and to explain the might and glory and oneness of God.

(He is God; there is no god but He: ​

the Sovereign Lord, ​

the Sanctified : His angels sanctify and glorify Him. ​

the All-Peaceable : He is safe of the evil of His creatures, due to His loftiness and being high above them, and He will save those who supplicate Him from the evil and also the evil of the afterlife. ​

the Believer :in His might and ability: that He can do anything. ​

the Dominant : over His servants and all His creatures, by His authority and control. ​

the Almighty : to His kingdom, as do His angels love Him; because of His bounties to them. ​

the Compeller : of disbelievers and associaters; so He abases them and compel them to the Fire. ​

the Most Sublime : and He is Superior and All-Proud above the material creatures, speaking to them and sitting with them and talking to them, unless from behind a screen [When God spoke to Moses, the tree was the screen between Moses and God Who was on His throne of glory.] ​

Celebrated be God above all that they associate [with Him.] )​

 

[scratch]

The ayat 59: 22-24 mentioned in my previous post include some words that I have translated in this way according to my understanding of the interpretation and depending on some dictionaries.

I have now to give the interpretation of such words according to the late Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly:


(He is God; there is no god but He:

the Sovereign Lord,

the Sanctified : His angels sanctify and glorify Him.

the All-Peaceable : He is safe of the evil of His creatures, due to His loftiness and being high above them, and He will save those who supplicate Him from the evil and also the evil of the afterlife.

the Believer :in His might and ability: that He can do anything.

the Dominant : over His servants and all His creatures, by His authority and control.

the Almighty : to His kingdom, as do His angels love Him; because of His bounties to them.

the Compeller : of disbelievers and associaters; so He abases them and compel them to the Fire.

the Most Sublime : and He is Superior and All-Proud above the material creatures, speaking to them and sitting with them and talking to them, unless from behind a screen.

Celebrated be God above all that they associate [with Him.] )

​

Please make your point...no quotes req'd!

 

[eanassir]

Some other pearls are the first ayat of the soorah or chapter 57: 1-6 ​

بِسْمِ اللّهِ الرَّحْمَنِ الرَّحِيمِ . سَبَّحَ لِلَّهِ مَا فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ وَهُوَ الْعَزِيزُ الْحَكِيمُ . لَهُ مُلْكُ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ يُحْيِي وَيُمِيتُ وَهُوَ عَلَى كُلِّ شَيْءٍ قَدِيرٌ . هُوَ الْأَوَّلُ وَالْآخِرُ وَالظَّاهِرُ وَالْبَاطِنُ وَهُوَ بِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ عَلِيمٌ . هُوَ الَّذِي خَلَقَ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضَ فِي سِتَّةِ أَيَّامٍ ثُمَّ اسْتَوَى عَلَى الْعَرْشِ يَعْلَمُ مَا يَلِجُ فِي الْأَرْضِ وَمَا يَخْرُجُ مِنْهَا وَمَا يَنزِلُ مِنَ السَّمَاء وَمَا يَعْرُجُ فِيهَا وَهُوَ مَعَكُمْ أَيْنَ مَا كُنتُمْ وَاللَّهُ بِمَا تَعْمَلُونَ بَصِيرٌ . لَهُ مُلْكُ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ وَإِلَى اللَّهِ تُرْجَعُ الأمُورُ . يُولِجُ اللَّيْلَ فِي النَّهَارِ وَيُولِجُ النَّهَارَ فِي اللَّيْلِ وَهُوَ عَلِيمٌ بِذَاتِ الصُّدُورِ

The explanation:​

( In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful)​

• All that is in the heavens and the earth glorify God, and He is the All-Mighty, the Most Wise.
• To Him belongs the possession of the heavens and the earth; He gives life and causes death; and is Most Able to do all things.
• He is the First [: no god before Him], and the Last [: no god after Him], and the Superior One, and the Unapparent, and He is Most Aware about all things.
• He created the heavens and the earth in six [of the Hereafter] days; He knows what [animal] goes inside the earth and what [animal] comes out of it, and what [bird] descends from the sky and what [bird] ascends through it [these seek after their provision; and He provides for all of them]; and He is with you wheresoever you may be; and God sees well all that you do.
• To Him belongs the possession of the heavens and the earth; and, to God, the am'rs [: souls of men and demons] do return [after death.]
• He makes the night pass into the day, and makes the day pass into the night [because of the earth axial rotation], and He is All-Knowing about [what is in the hearts] that which are in breasts.)

 

[Scott Free]

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• All that is in the heavens and the earth glorify God, and He is the All-Mighty, the Most Wise.

How can the heavens and earth glorify god when he is no where to be seen? To physically glorify something necessarily means it needs to be present and or exist.

The heavens and the earth glorify the great flying spaghetti monster because unlike god the great flying spaghetti monster is actually real!

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• To Him belongs the possession of the heavens and the earth; He gives life and causes death; and is Most Able to do all things.

The great spaghetti monster owns the world and he can do everything even better!!!! He can do everything more! He just lets "god" think he owns everything but the great spaghetti monster made god!

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• He is the First [: no god before Him], and the Last [: no god after Him], and the Superior One, and the Unapparent, and He is Most Aware about all things.

There is no great flying spaghetti monster before The great flying spaghetti monster and there will be no great flying spaghetti monster after The great flying spaghetti monster! There is only one Great Flying Spaghetti Monster.

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• He created the heavens and the earth in six [of the Hereafter] days; He knows what [animal] goes inside the earth and what [animal] comes out of it, and what [bird] descends from the sky and what [bird] ascends through it [these seek after their provision; and He provides for all of them]; and He is with you wheresoever you may be; and God sees well all that you do.

I don't appreciate god watching me $h!t!!!! What a freak!!!!!

The great flying spaghetti monster sees all, knows all, but unlike god, the pervert, the great flying spaghetti monster respects peoples privacy and does not watch them defecate.

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• To Him belongs the possession of the heavens and the earth; and, to God, the am'rs [: souls of men and demons] do return [after death.]

No, your wrong. Our souls belong to the flying spaghetti monster as does everything on the earth.

He owns everything, your god is stupid (and ugly).

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• He makes the night pass into the day, and makes the day pass into the night [because of the earth axial rotation], and He is All-Knowing about [what is in the hearts] that which are in breasts.)

How does he do that when there is no night or day except on the earth? How can he make the earth pass through something that doesn't exist?

See, this is where the great flying spaghetti monster is greatest because he creates day and night by causing the earth to spin with energy from his cosmic meat balls! See how stupid your god is?

Your stupid god thinks day and night are things but the great spaghetti monster knows night is a shadow and day is no shadow. All hail the great flying spaghetti monster! May god kiss his noodle!

Bow down before He who made god!!! The King, The All Knowing, The Maker of god!!! (and great pasta, lets see "god" do that :roll: )

 

[eanassir]

• The interpretation of the aya 57: 1

All that is in the heavens and the earth glorify God : it means every flying bird and moving animal, in the planets including the earth, glorify God; but you do not understand their glorification and praising; because all these creatures praise God by their languages.​

As it is in the Quran 17: 44​

تُسَبِّحُ لَهُ السَّمَاوَاتُ السَّبْعُ وَالأَرْضُ وَمَن فِيهِنَّ وَإِن مِّن شَيْءٍ إِلاَّ يُسَبِّحُ بِحَمْدَهِ وَلَكِن لاَّ تَفْقَهُونَ تَسْبِيحَهُمْ إِنَّهُ كَانَ حَلِيمًا غَفُورًا​

The explanation:
(The seven heavens and the earth and all that is therein praise Him,
and there is not a thing but hymns His praise; but you [people] understand not their praise;
He is ever Clement, Most Forgiving.)​

The interpretation:
The seven ethereal heavens which are under the Throne of the Lord; and the inhabitants there: angels, prophets, martyrs and the righteous; all of them glorify God.
As do the animals and birds in the planets including the earth, also do glorify Him; but each of them speaks in his own language which you do not understand.​

• The interpretation of the aya 57: 6

(He makes the night pass into the day, and makes the day pass into the night [because of the earth axial rotation], and He is All-Knowing about [what is in the hearts] that which are in breasts.)​

It means: He introduces the day and night into each other, by means of the spinning of the earth around its axis; so that the day will gradually go to the place of the night; as will the night go to the place of the day gradually.​

[This is because the night is the shadow of the earth; this is so obvious: the side that is in front of the sun will have day, then because of the spinning of the earth around its axis the regions that have been in the day will gradually go the place of the shadow of the earth, and will have night.]
http://universeandquran.t35.com/new_page_3.htm#The_Day_and_the_Night_​

eanassir
http://universeandquran.t35.com​

 

[Scott Free]

You have not disproved The Flying Spaghetti Monster because you haven't demonstrated who made him? And how could we be here if he didn't make god and god didn't make us?

No, you are wrong, the Great Spaghetti Monster exists because we exist. He is the maker of god! All glory be to the Great Pasta!

 

[Scott Free]

It is a Miracle!!!!!!!!!

Pasta be praised!!!, the One, the Omnipotent, the Glorious!!!!!

 

[ahmadabdalrhman]

The Qur'an Leads The Way To Science

YouTube - The Qur'an Leads The Way To Science

 

[Scott Free]

This video starts by assuming there is a god.

Where is the proof of this god? Show me a video that proves there is a god first then I will watch this one. I will not watch something that starts from such a huge leap.

I think the Flying Spaghetti Monster made the universe. My theory is just as valid as yours. It is just as likely my god made the universe as yours did. In fact it is just as valid that anyone’s god made the universe! This is due to the fact that there is not one shred of evidence that anyone’s god made the universe.

 

[ahmadabdalrhman]

This video starts by assuming there is a god.

Where is the proof of this god? Show me a video that proves there is a god first then I will watch this one. I will not watch something that starts from such a huge leap.

I think the Flying Spaghetti Monster made the universe. My theory is just as valid as yours. It is just as likely my god made the universe as yours did. In fact it is just as valid that anyone’s god made the universe! This is due to the fact that there is not one shred of evidence that anyone’s god made the universe.

You merely use your senses to determine that you can see, hear, feel, smell, taste and you have emotions as well. All of this is a part of your existence. But this is not how we perceive God in Islam. We can look to the things that He has created and the way that He cares for things and sustains us, to know that there is no doubt of His existence.

Think about this the next time that you are looking up at the moon or the stars on a clear night; could you drop a drinking glass on the sidewalk and expect that it would hit the ground and on impact it would not shatter, but it would divide up into little small drinking glasses, with iced tea in them? Of course not.

And then consider if a tornado came through a junkyard and tore through the old cars; would it leave behind a nice new Mercedes with the engine running and no parts left around? Naturally not.

Can a fast food restaurant operate itself without any people there? That's crazy for anyone to even think about.

After considering all of the above, how could we look to the universe above us through a telescope or observe the molecules in a microscope and then think that all of this came about as a result of a "big bang" or some "accident?"

Muslims have something that offers the most clear proof of all, The Holy Quran. There is no other book like it anywhere on earth. It is absolutely perfect in the Arabic language. It has no mistakes in grammar, meanings or context. The scientific evidences are well known around the entire world, even amongst non-Muslim scholars. Predictions in the Quran have come true; and its teachings are clearly for all people, all places and all times. No one has been able to produce a book like it, nor ten chapters like it, nor even one chapter like it. It was memorized by thousands of people during the lifetime of Muhammad, peace be upon him, and then this memorization was passed down from teacher to student for generation after generation, from mouth to ear and from one nation to another. Today every single Muslim has memorized some part of the Quran in the original Arabic language that it was revealed in over 1,400 years ago, even though most of them are not Arabs. There are over nine million (9,000,000) Muslims living on the earth today who have totally memorized the entire Quran, word for word, and can recite the entire Quran, in Arabic just as Muhammad, peace be upon him, did 14 centuries ago.

 

[ahmadabdalrhman]

YouTube - Dr. Zakir Naik - Does God exist?

 

[ahmadabdalrhman]

You have not disproved The Flying Spaghetti Monster because you haven't demonstrated who made him? And how could we be here if he didn't make god and god didn't make us?

No, you are wrong, the Great Spaghetti Monster exists because we exist. He is the maker of god! All glory be to the Great Pasta!

According to the Quran, Allah tells us that He is the only creator and sustainer of all that exists and that nothing and no one exists alongside Him, nor does He have any partners. He tells us that He is not created, nor is He like His creation in anyway. He calls Himself by a number of names and three of them are:
A) The First - (Al-Awal)
B) The Last - (Al Akhir)
C) The Eternal, who is sought after by His creation, while He has no need from them at all. (As-Samad)
He always has existed and He never was created, as He is not like His creation, nor similar to it, in any way.

 

[Scott Free]

[FONT=&quot]You merely use your senses to determine that you can see, hear, feel, smell, taste and you have emotions as well. All of this is a part of your existence. But this is not how we perceive God in Islam. We can look to the things that He has created and the way that He cares for things and sustains us, to know that there is no doubt of His existence. [/FONT]

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How do you know he created anything? You assume he must exist therefore he must have created everything. It is circular thinking. You need to first prove he exists without assuming he exists.

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[FONT=&quot]Think about this the next time that you are looking up at the moon or the stars on a clear night; could you drop a drinking glass on the sidewalk and expect that it would hit the ground and on impact it would not shatter, but it would divide up into little small drinking glasses, with iced tea in them? Of course not.

And then consider if a tornado came through a junkyard and tore through the old cars; would it leave behind a nice new Mercedes with the engine running and no parts left around? Naturally not.

Can a fast food restaurant operate itself without any people there? That's crazy for anyone to even think about.

After considering all of the above, how could we look to the universe above us through a telescope or observe the molecules in a microscope and then think that all of this came about as a result of a "big bang" or some "accident?" [/FONT]

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The problem is that you’re putting the cart before the horse. All the complex things we see around us were born out of chaotic clouds of hydrogen. They were organized into very complex structures by physical laws and natural selection. The calcium in your bones the oxygen you breathe was all born in some distant long forgotten sun. They came together to form this planet and over billions of years man emerged. It is all extremely complex but it came about quite naturally. So the Mercedes and food restaurant look unbelievably complex unless you consider how they came about.

By supposing a god you make the whole process even more complicated by a huge margin. How can you explain where god came from? Who made god? How could god create something from nothing?

You see, by assuming there is a god you make the whole issue far more complicated. On top of that there is no evidence god even exists! So it is needless complication!

With no god we can just suppose the natural order of the universe is that there is something. There never was nothing. We could suppose that about god but there is no evidence of him. We can suppose it about the universe and there are incredible amounts of evidence - a whole universe full in fact!


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[FONT=&quot]Muslims have something that offers the most clear proof of all, The Holy Quran. There is no other book like it anywhere on earth. It is absolutely perfect in the Arabic language. It has no mistakes in grammar, meanings or context. The scientific evidences are well known around the entire world, even amongst non-Muslim scholars. Predictions in the Quran have come true; and its teachings are clearly for all people, all places and all times. No one has been able to produce a book like it, nor ten chapters like it, nor even one chapter like it. It was memorized by thousands of people during the lifetime of Muhammad, peace be upon him, and then this memorization was passed down from teacher to student for generation after generation, from mouth to ear and from one nation to another. Today every single Muslim has memorized some part of the Quran in the original Arabic language that it was revealed in over 1,400 years ago, even though most of them are not Arabs. There are over nine million (9,000,000) Muslims living on the earth today who have totally memorized the entire Quran, word for word, and can recite the entire Quran, in Arabic just as Muhammad, peace be upon him, did 14 centuries ago.[/FONT]

Again this is subjective proof. That is if you wish to believe it go ahead but the Qur'an is not in itself proof of anything. For example you say it has no mistakes to which I say there could be no mistakes because your zealotry means you take it as the standard! In other words you will change the language to conform to the book. It's probably worth your life to say Muhammad misspelled something so you will simply change the spelling and claim it is perfect.

Then the book itself wasn't written by Muhammad. It was written by people afterward and assembled into a book later. It has thus been heavily edited.

Take Bahia as an example. He wrote his books himself. They are considered some of the greatest Arabic poetry ever written, yet you know they aren't true. So how could you submit the same evidence as proof of the Qur'an? A book that Muhammad didn't even write himself!

Then you say the Qur'an makes predictions. Again you are putting the cart before the horse. You wait for events to unfold then find proofs in the Qur'an!?! That isn't proof! Proof is making claims and then they unfold - that is real evidence. Christians do the same thing. Some even say Bush is in the bible, others claim JFK and Martin Luther King were in the bible. You and I both know almost any history could be made to fit into the bible and they are suffering delusions. So why can't you see that you’re doing the exact same thing! Muhammad calls Christians the people of the book. Muslims have turned into people of the book too - but the Qur'an this time. Different books, same delusion. Thousands of Christians would tell you the bible is perfection. You’re both deluded.

 

[eanassir]

The two previous replies are some good example of the evasion of the atheist.
Ahmed gave an excellent argument of the glass that falls down and break up: will it produce multiple small glasses full of tea? Then another example of a tornado coming upon some old scrap cars; will it cause new luxurious car with the engine running?

The atheist evaded, and did not answer.
Then he gave many questions; why doesn't he give one question by one? Or will he start to revile and use his low expressions and some stars ***?

Ahmed; they know the truth and they ignore it; because they have some programs and belong to some organizations and parties, and I think such will not respond whatever proof you give them, even they may see the sun in the sky and deny it.​

 

[Scott Free]

The two previous replies are some good example of the evasion of the atheist.
Ahmed gave an excellent argument of the glass that falls down and break up: will it produce multiple small glasses full of tea? Then another example of a tornado coming upon some old scrap cars; will it cause new luxurious car with the engine running? ​

That isn't an excellent argument its crap! Your taking something complex and rendering it less complex. Yes complex structures can be made less complex but that doesn't invalidate the method of how they got complex in the first place. The whole point is things don't become immediately more complex; it takes time.

I would also point out that smashing a cup or car makes it more complex not less so. You are linking usability to complexity which isn't really correlated. Cancer for example is very complex but it isn't useful to us at all. The world and the universe do not serve you.

Smash the cup at a recycling depot and it may very well end up as a bunch of smaller ones. Old cars are recycled into new ones constantly. Chaos rearranges itself into greater complexity but sometimes that can take billions of years not moments as you would imply with your silly cup argument.

You know better than this eanassir, why are you being a bad person by trying to deceive?

The atheist evaded, and did not answer.

I did answer - your still lying I see.

Then he gave many questions; why doesn't he give one question by one? Or will he start to revile and use his low expressions and some stars ***?

I should be lying and deceptive like you? That would be better?

Ahmed; they know the truth and they ignore it; because they have some programs and belong to some organizations and parties, and I think such will not respond whatever proof you give them, even they may see the sun in the sky and deny it.

Ahmed, it is eanassir that is lying to you. He has no proof and I have so thuroughly destroyed his arguments that he won't talk to me anymore.

He could not decieve me but he hopes to decieve you.

eanassir is not being sincere for some reason.

Ahmed, don't let eanassir steal your intellect. Don't let him tell you what I'm saying. Look for yourself.

Take a look at this: logic fallacies It is a guide for telling if people are making sense or being deceptive. It isn't an easy task to tell who is who. This tool helps a lot.

 

[eanassir]

That isn't an excellent argument its crap! Your taking something complex and rendering it less complex. Yes complex structures can be made less complex but that doesn't invalidate the method of how they got complex in the first place. The whole point is things don't become immediately more complex; it takes time.​

Ahmed gave an excellent argument of the glass that falls down and break up: will it produce multiple small glasses full of tea?

Then another example of a tornado coming upon some old scrap cars; will it cause new luxurious car with the engine running?

The implication of these examples:​

• All this universe including a large number of marvels: like the solar system with the planets revolving around a sun, and each spins around itself so that the day and night will be there, and the inclination of the axis of each planet to produce the seasons, and the moons that let them alert to the time passing and the counting …etc; so all this creation with its uniform and complicated systems and orders; it cannot come to the existence without the Creator Who created all that with His wisdom.

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• And there are many other examples like man and his fascinating creation: eyes, ears, consciousness, thinking, feeling and working; how could this being appeared to the existence without the Creator Who created his grandparents Adam and Eve out of the dust of the earth, then created the offspring by the sexual production?

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• If you see a house, completely constructed with all its rooms and water pipes, electricity wires and lamps, windows for ventilation …etc. then can you say this house has come to existence without any builder or owner; and in case you go and occupy this house, will not the judge and police capture you?

This is in the Quran 52: 35​

أَمْ خُلِقُوا مِنْ غَيْرِ شَيءٍ ، أَمْ هُمُ الخالِقُون ؟​

The explanation:
(Or were they created out of nothing?
Or are they themselves the creators?)

The word 'thing' indicates the matter.
His saying – be exalted – ​

أَمْ خُلِقُوا مِنْ غَيْرِ شَيءٍ​

i.e. ( Or were they created out of nothing?) means: Were the souls of these atheists and infidels, formed without material bodies; so that they say the ether is present in the space since eternity, and that our souls were formed from the ether without any former or creator.
Yes indeed, their souls were formed from the ether; but who created the bodies in which their souls were formed? Wasn't He God Who created the bodies and formed their souls inside them? (Or are they themselves the creators) of those bodies? Not so, but it is God Who created them and created the heavens and the earth and those who are therein.
http://man-after-death.t35.com/#The_Matter_and_the_Ether_

Then God – be glorified – said in the next aya 52: 36​

أَمْ خَلَقُوا السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضَ بَل لَّا يُوقِنُونَ​

The explanation:
(Did they create the heavens and the earth?
No, [they didn't]; but they have not sure faith.)


eanassir
http://man-after-death.t35.com​