The proverbial "State "of the Nation

Ocean Breeze

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Defense Bill Would Allow Military to Indefinitely Detain Americans
The provision would give broad powers to the president and the military to detain terrorism suspects indefinitely


Defense Bill Would Allow Military to Indefinitely Detain Americans -- News from Antiwar.com


anyone still wonder if this is still the "america" that used to be progressive, and fundamentally humanitarian ??

Or are the defenders living in the past and unable to accept the drastic changes that have occurred. Any question that with every such move........the terrorists gain more points in this "empire vs terrorists" ongoing saga that the empire chose to engage in. militarily..........Instead of deal with the issue as a crime as other nations do.

there is no telling how far the empire govt will go now....as it has become used to doing wars , and other illegal acts that would never have been tolerated before the brainwashing machine "conditioned" the population into believing the terror/threat propaganda.
 

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PS..........does anyone KNOW what the conditions are for a person to be determined a terrorist or a potential one?? And are these so called conditions rational or just reactive to a possible perceived threat ???

Do they see a threat around every corner now..........due to how the media embellishes it .??

A nation living in an undercurrent of fear.....is an explosive nation.......and it does not take much to trigger off ugly /aggressive behavior that is not even related to the terror issue itself. Bargain day shopping is an example of a mob mentality gone mad. It is as if they have to channel their underlying emotions into something.....
 

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Not bad info. for a country that is falling apart according to a very few of you.

The Chinese have called it their “Underground Great Wall” — a vast network of tunnels designed to hide their country’s increasingly sophisticated missile and nuclear arsenal.
For the past three years, a small band of obsessively dedicated students at Georgetown University has called it something else: homework.
Led by their hard-charging professor, a former top Pentagon official, they have translated hundreds of documents, combed through satellite imagery, obtained restricted Chinese military documents and waded through hundreds of gigabytes of online data.
The result of their effort? The largest body of public knowledge about thousands of miles of tunnels dug by the Second Artillery Corps, a secretive branch of the Chinese military in charge of protecting and deploying its ballistic missiles and nuclear warheads.
The study is yet to be released, but already it has sparked a congressional hearing and been circulated among top officials in the Pentagon, including the Air Force vice chief of staff.

Digging into China


 

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War on Terror Keeps on Giving
by Dr. Brian Phillips, December 01, 2011

A Bill of Rights is what the people are entitled to against every government, and what no just government should refuse, or rest on inference.
- Thomas Jefferson

The United States has entered a period of unparalleled tyranny for the nation, and a shotgun blast of it is hitting us this week. No longer is the state even attempting to hide how it’s trampling the Constitution, and the largest boot print is being left by Senate Bill 1867, the National Defense Authorization Act.
Among a number of hideous provisions, the bill would designate the United States as a “battlefield,” thus granting the president the right to use commander-in-chief powers at home. This includes the right to snatch or arrest any Americans who are suspects and detain them without charge, lawyer, or trial.

War on Terror Keeps on Giving by Dr. Brian Phillips -- Antiwar.com


The words speak for themselves. :-( and it seems that there is no stopping the momentum now.

Can Congress Steal Your Constitutional Freedoms?
by Andrew P. Napolitano, December 01, 2011

Can the president use the military to arrest anyone he wants, keep that person away from a judge and jury, and lock him up for as long as he wants? In the Senate’s dark and terrifying vision of the Constitution, he can.
Congress is supposed to work in public. That requirement is in the Constitution. It is there because the folks who wrote the Constitution had suffered long and hard under the British Privy Council, a secret group that advised the king and ran his government. We know from the now-defunct supercommittee, and other times when Congress has locked its doors, that government loves secrecy and hates transparency. Transparency forces the government to answer to us. Secrecy lets it steal our liberty and our property behind our backs.

Can Congress Steal Your Constitutional Freedoms? by Andrew P. Napolitano -- Antiwar.com
 

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The problem is, we look at America and other nations as static things, they are not.
America went through the indecision period prior to WWll and in the end they dug
themselves out of the most serious threat they ever faced. As soon as the shrill
voices quit clanging the people will understand how much trouble they are in and
that there are no instant solutions. Those who proposed the free lunch concept,
that being, we don't have to do anything, we're Americans, will be sent back to the
darkness, and the people will start digging out.
America will face nearly a generation of problems, but that in turn will bring back the
regulation that is so badly needed. Regulation will also see the American people
demand the return of an industrial base of some kind. China is about to falter as well
economically and that means opportunities for America to return to its place of
prominence. Things change rapidly on the world stage, but this idea of a totally
unfettered free market and the America of old, is gone and people have to understand
that. I think they can turn it around in time. Face it, Asia cannot sustain the growth
they have experienced, and Europe will be decades to recover.
There is hope for the West, and we will pay much more attention to the nations of
South America that are doing better than most.
 

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Perhaps there are some that view other nations as static things. But there are many of us that realize that all nations, peoples are dynamic and subject to change due to internal & external influences.. As the old adage goes:" the only constant In life is change. " The operative question seems to be: how can one influence the changes so that the result is the mature, responsible outcome??

This time of crisis and potential outcomes , including consequences is not a time for catch phrases , or platitudes or cute packaging. Things have deteriorated much to far. It might be that the world needs to hit bottom before it grows up into the kind of responsible, sensible and realistic population that can care for itself and the wonderful planet it lives on.

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85-year-old Woman Strip Searched at JFK Airport

'I really look like a terrorist?,' 110-pound Long Island grandmother says


85-year-old Woman Strip Searched at JFK Airport

Hope she carries through on the lawsuit. The degree of paranoia is beyond pathological now.
If the empire stopped CREATING the terrorists by its actions, it would not have to be so paranoid . But this vicious cycle is beneficial to someone......and it ain't the US population .

the empire going mad...



 

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Dignified burial of troops remains?? NOT so much:

Air Force dumped remains of 274 troops in landfill

U.S. News - Report: Air Force dumped remains of 274 troops in landfill

Of all the horrors the empire has been party to......... THIS is one was particularly shocking.

Before some go off on america hater crap.......STOP and THINK about just what kind of inhumanity you are so blindly supporting.

No nation is without fault. Only a select few have the over inflated ego problem that gives them delusions of grandeur . Many nations in history have gone through the same phases until they reached what they thought was that total and grand entitlement and power. The pattern is the same......and the end result is the kind of deterioration of a society/ culture we are seeing.

If this is how the empire treats its 'heros"......" Huston, we have a problem".
 

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Dignified burial of troops remains?? NOT so much:

Air Force dumped remains of 274 troops in landfill

U.S. News - Report: Air Force dumped remains of 274 troops in landfill

Of all the horrors the empire has been party to......... THIS is one was particularly shocking.

Before some go off on america hater crap.......STOP and THINK about just what kind of inhumanity you are so blindly supporting.

No nation is without fault. Only a select few have the over inflated ego problem that gives them delusions of grandeur . Many nations in history have gone through the same phases until they reached what they thought was that total and grand entitlement and power. The pattern is the same......and the end result is the kind of deterioration of a society/ culture we are seeing.

If this is how the empire treats its 'heros"......" Huston, we have a problem".
"Houston we have a problem"


Ever wonder what happens to your amputated arm or leg when it is removed? What the Air Force did with the troops remains was atrocious.


 

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Secret Wars and the Rule of Law
[FONT=Arial,Geneva,sans-serif]by Tim Kelly[/FONT], [FONT=Arial,Geneva,sans-serif]December 21, 2011[/FONT]

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The president of the United States now wages secret wars virtually independent of Congress and in direct violation of the United States Constitution.

Earlier this month, the White House issued several findings authorizing U.S. intelligence services to carry out covert actions against Iran and Syria. A presidential finding is a directive similar to an executive order; it instructs a government agency, usually the Central Intelligence Agency, to carry out clandestine operations against a foreign government or foreign entity.

The current use of presidential findings is based on the 1974 amendment to the Foreign Assistance Act, which prohibited the use of appropriated funds by the CIA for intelligence activities “unless and until the President finds that each such operation is important to the national security of the United States and reports, in a timely fashion, a description and scope of such operation to the appropriate committees of Congress.”

Secret Wars and the Rule of Law by Tim Kelly
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